How could Jesus be abandoned?

[bahman]

He said: "My God, My God, Why Have You Forsaken Me?". How could He be abandoned if He and God are one!?

[seeds]

He said: "My God, My God, Why Have You Forsaken Me?". How could He be abandoned if He and God are one!?

Because the notion of the Trinity is nonsense, of which Islam came along later to refute in order to set the Abrahamic religion back on the right path of true Monotheism.

Another puzzling aspect of the Christian narrative is that if it is proposed that God gave (sacrificed) his only begotten son to die for the sins of man,...

...then what did God actually sacrifice if, in fact, he knew all along that Jesus wasn't really going to die and was simply going to return to him and his heavenly kingdom after the ordeal was over?

It would seem that God simply set Jesus up to receive a really nasty whoopin' (thanks dad), but not actual death.

The point is that there was no actual "sacrifice" in the purest sense of the word.
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[promethean75]

That's always been my question too. Would J have really suffered any of that ordeal if he were a god? What's a measly crucifixion when you're an immortal god? You'd have to pretend to be agonizing the whole time, or, you'd have to be in a state where you've momentarily forgotten what u are, a god.

[Age]

He said: "My God, My God, Why Have You Forsaken Me?". How could He be abandoned if He and God are one!?

Because "jesus christ", exactly like the rest of 'you', are, also, a 'child' of God, in a 'conceptual sense', only.

[Age]

He said: "My God, My God, Why Have You Forsaken Me?". How could He be abandoned if He and God are one!?

Because the notion of the Trinity is nonsense, of which Islam came along later to refute in order to set the Abrahamic religion back on the right path of true Monotheism.

Another puzzling aspect of the Christian narrative is that if it is proposed that God gave (sacrificed) his only begotten son to die for the sins of man,...

When you, also, understand what the 'second coming of christ' actually means and is referring to, exactly, then you will understand what is 'currently now' puzzling, to you.

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.then what did God actually sacrifice if, in fact, he knew all along that Jesus wasn't really going to die and was simply going to return to him and his heavenly kingdom after the ordeal was over?

Children.

All of you children are 'being sacrificed', that is; until adults start accepting, and taking, full responsibility for all of their Wrong doing.

It would seem that God simply set Jesus up to receive a really nasty whoopin' (thanks dad), but not actual death.

Well it was a lot less of a so-called 'whooping', which a lot of other children receive.

The point is that there was no actual "sacrifice" in the purest sense of the word.
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Are you absolutely sure of this?

Could you be missing or be misinterpreting any of the actual meant details in 'the story/s'?

[Age]

That's always been my question too. Would J have really suffered any of that ordeal if he were a god?

Was "jesus" 'the' God, which is also spoke about?

Or, was "Jesus" 'a' god, put 'there' by 'the belief' others had in "jesus".

And, also "jesus" being a 'child' of God, Itself, obviously if alive, long enough, would 'grow up' into, or 'mature' in to God, Itself.

Once what the 'second coming of jesus' actually means, and will reveal to you people as well, then all of this will become much, much clearer to you human beings.

What's a measly crucifixion when you're an immortal god? You'd have to pretend to be agonizing the whole time, or, you'd have to be in a state where you've momentarily forgotten what u are, a god.

Which, obviously, the latter happened, and occurred when, and if, "jesus christ" uttered the words, and asked the clarifying question, 'My God, My God, Why Have You Forsaken Me?'

See, if "jesus christ" had not given up, then things would have already been very different from what they are 'now', when this is being written.

The moral of the story is have belief in thy 'Self' always, and never give up.

See, only you human beings, like "jesus christ" was, give up and do not believe in thy 'Self' fully,

[LuckyR]

Uummm... because that's what some dude wrote down.

Why does Hamlet say "to be or not to be..."?

[bahman]

He said: "My God, My God, Why Have You Forsaken Me?". How could He be abandoned if He and God are one!?

Because the notion of the Trinity is nonsense, of which Islam came along later to refute in order to set the Abrahamic religion back on the right path of true Monotheism.

So you think that Jesus lied that He is God or He and God are one?

Another puzzling aspect of the Christian narrative is that if it is proposed that God gave (sacrificed) his only begotten son to die for the sins of man,...

...then what did God actually sacrifice if, in fact, he knew all along that Jesus wasn't really going to die and was simply going to return to him and his heavenly kingdom after the ordeal was over?

It would seem that God simply set Jesus up to receive a really nasty whoopin' (thanks dad), but not actual death.

The point is that there was no actual "sacrifice" in the purest sense of the word.
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That is a relevant question: What is the sacrifice?

[bahman]

That's always been my question too. Would J have really suffered any of that ordeal if he were a god? What's a measly crucifixion when you're an immortal god? You'd have to pretend to be agonizing the whole time, or, you'd have to be in a state where you've momentarily forgotten what u are, a god.

So you are saying that He was not suffering and just pretending it.

[bahman]

Uummm... because that's what some dude wrote down.

Why does Hamlet say "to be or not to be..."?

So you are saying that Jesus is just a story written down and He was not real?

[promethean75]

U could fake the whole thing if u lived in the year 800 and had a bunch of scribes write up some stories, yeah, but you'd have to create collaborating fictitious accounts of Jesus and that could get difficult. Like you'd have to pretend like the bible u are writing is substantiated by many other texts which u would also be inventing.

Most likely a dude named jesus did exist but none of the miraculous stuff really happened and much of the normal stuff he was involved with/in could have also been either entirely made up (to fill in story line blanks) or somewhat inaccurate. But nothing absolutely abnormal happened around this guy and he prolly did live and preach and all that stuff. He was just a regular religious type guy who was executed by the Romans becuz he was stirrin up trouble for the POleece. Countless others just like him have been involved in the same kind of political intrigue throughput history. Martyrs, dissidents, rebels, activists, cult leaders, revolutionaries, et al.

[bahman]

U could fake the whole thing if u lived in the year 800 and had a bunch of scribes write up some stories, yeah, but you'd have to create collaborating fictitious accounts of Jesus and that could get difficult. Like you'd have to pretend like the bible u are writing is substantiated by many other texts which u would also be inventing.

Most likely a dude named jesus did exist but none of the miraculous stuff really happened and much of the normal stuff he was involved with/in could have also been either entirely made up (to fill in story line blanks) or somewhat inaccurate. But nothing absolutely abnormal happened around this guy and he prolly did live and preach and all that stuff. He was just a regular religious type guy who was executed by the Romans becuz he was stirrin up trouble for the POleece. Countless others just like him have been involved in the same kind of political intrigue throughput history. Martyrs, dissidents, rebels, activists, cult leaders, revolutionaries, et al.

Ok, so if He was like others and preaching was His only power then why He became so famous?

[promethean75]

Becuz bro he started a religious movement that was appealing and useful to both the Roman government (eventually when it officially christianized and stayed so until the heathen barbarian hordes smashed the gates in and went ham on em) and the Roman peasantry and citizens. It stuck around becuz it worked to keep order in an empire. What was especially liked about it was its monotheistic nature becuz then the roman high government can consolidate total power more easily by claiming the state's authority as the manifestation of the one God's order on erf.

That's harder to do when u got a buncha gods becuz then the people could be like well Neptune doesn't agree with Mars on this matter so we're not sure what our civil duties are right now. Like should we fight against the magistrate or be cool and let the senators pass that fucked up law.

But when u got one main god, whatever the state rules is immediately accepted and can't be against God's order.

Monotheism eliminates the theological drama that's typical of pagan polytheism, and is therefore much less confusing and much more effective as a political tool.

[bahman]

Becuz bro he started a religious movement that was appealing and useful to both the Roman government (eventually when it officially christianized and stayed so until the heathen barbarian hordes smashed the gates in and went ham on em) and the Roman peasantry and citizens. It stuck around becuz it worked to keep order in an empire. What was especially liked about it was its monotheistic nature becuz then the roman high government can consolidate total power more easily by claiming the state's authority as the manifestation of the one God's order on erf.

That's harder to do when u got a buncha gods becuz then the people could be like well Neptune doesn't agree with Mars on this matter so we're not sure what our civil duties are right now. Like should we fight against the magistrate or be cool and let the senators pass that fucked up law.

But when u got one main god, whatever the state rules is immediately accepted and can't be against God's order.

Monotheism eliminates the theological drama that's typical of pagan polytheism, and is therefore much less confusing and much more effective as a political tool.

Then why Romans killed Him if what He was saying was appealing and useful to the Roman Government?

[promethean75]

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Becuz the Roman's paganism was being challenged by a new religion that would later work in their favor once they converted. But u couldn't know that in advance quite yet at the time of J's persecution. Christianity was a happy accident for Rome (for a while).