how to understand everything

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Re: how to understand everything

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Fairy wrote: Sun Jul 21, 2024 12:26 pm
Atla wrote: Sun Jul 21, 2024 12:05 pm

And if there are no other minds then why do you come to an online forum, you could just stare at the wall and mumble to yourself.
Other minds are the mind, the only mind there is. If there are two or more minds, then show me where the dividing line is between my mind and your your mind, the line that separates my mind from yours? You can't can't make such a division, can you, because the mind is simply any idea. It has no physical exact location that you can pin down and isolate off from the everything.

I thought you knew this, I'm baffled as to why you choose to be so contrary and pedantic about this subject. Oh wait, this is a philosophy forum, so we better act as though we are lots of little minds interacting with each other, either disagreeing or agreeing over what we think we know. Ok, carry on.
That's not the real nondualism, genius. In the real nondualism, there is only one world, one existence, and we all share it from the first person view. But within this shared existence, just as it can be said that there many rocks and trees and cats, there are also many humans and human minds.

No surprise that you didn't know this.
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Re: how to understand everything

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Atla wrote: Sun Jul 21, 2024 12:05 pm
I can pretty much always experience the "I am", even while speaking or thinking.
You have no direct experience of ever being born. Your only direct experience, is the I AM. Speaking and thinking, is an appearance of the I AM.
But speaking and thinking is not necessary to be this unborn I AM. Speaking and thinking is mentation, it's an appearance, an artificial illusory imaginary overlay upon this ever elusive, unborn, undying, unknowing I AM.
Atla wrote: Sun Jul 21, 2024 12:05 pmAnd if there are no other minds then why do you come to an online forum, you could just stare at the wall and mumble to yourself.
Because the mind imagines, and invents other minds as being the only frame of reference it can know. The unknown mind tries to understand itself using the conceptual contents of it's own mind. It's quite the dilemma really, as the mind and it's conceptual contents, are the only source the mind draw any kind of semblance of self reference from. It's a self replicating mechanism. Even though it has zero access to anything outside of it's own self made arena.
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Re: how to understand everything

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Atla wrote: Sun Jul 21, 2024 12:32 pm
Fairy wrote: Sun Jul 21, 2024 12:26 pm
Atla wrote: Sun Jul 21, 2024 12:05 pm

And if there are no other minds then why do you come to an online forum, you could just stare at the wall and mumble to yourself.
Other minds are the mind, the only mind there is. If there are two or more minds, then show me where the dividing line is between my mind and your your mind, the line that separates my mind from yours? You can't can't make such a division, can you, because the mind is simply any idea. It has no physical exact location that you can pin down and isolate off from the everything.

I thought you knew this, I'm baffled as to why you choose to be so contrary and pedantic about this subject. Oh wait, this is a philosophy forum, so we better act as though we are lots of little minds interacting with each other, either disagreeing or agreeing over what we think we know. Ok, carry on.
That's not the real nondualism, genius. In the real nondualism, there is only one world, one existence, and we all share it from the first person view. But within this shared existence, just as it can be said that there many rocks and trees and cats, there are also many humans and human minds.

No surprise that you didn't know this.
I'm not surprised no one knew this.
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Re: how to understand everything

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Fairy wrote: Sun Jul 21, 2024 12:43 pm
Atla wrote: Sun Jul 21, 2024 12:05 pm
I can pretty much always experience the "I am", even while speaking or thinking.
You have no direct experience of ever being born. Your only direct experience, is the I AM. Speaking and thinking, is an appearance of the I AM.
But speaking and thinking is not necessary to be this unborn I AM. Speaking and thinking is mentation, it's an appearance, an artificial illusory imaginary overlay upon this ever elusive, unborn, undying, unknowing I AM.
Atla wrote: Sun Jul 21, 2024 12:05 pmAnd if there are no other minds then why do you come to an online forum, you could just stare at the wall and mumble to yourself.
Because the mind imagines, and invents other minds as being the only frame of reference it can know. The unknown mind tries to understand itself using the conceptual contents of it's own mind. It's quite the dilemma really, as the mind and it's conceptual contents, are the only source the mind draw any kind of semblance of self reference from. It's a self replicating mechanism. Even though it has zero access to anything outside of it's own self made arena.
Enough of your BS
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Re: how to understand everything

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Atla wrote: Sun Jul 21, 2024 12:45 pm
Enough of your BS
Now your talking.

Now think about how long it can take for the penny to drop.
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Re: how to understand everything

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Fairy wrote: Sun Jul 21, 2024 12:50 pm
Atla wrote: Sun Jul 21, 2024 12:45 pm
Enough of your BS
Now your talking.

Now think about how long it can take for the penny to drop.
Never, apparently. I told you years ago that this is just Pseudo-Advaitan nonsense, and for a while you seemed to make a little progress but looks like you've relapsed. W/e, it's "no one's problem" and you're just a figment of imagination anyway.
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Re: how to understand everything

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Atla wrote: Sun Jul 21, 2024 12:57 pm
Fairy wrote: Sun Jul 21, 2024 12:50 pm
Atla wrote: Sun Jul 21, 2024 12:45 pm
Enough of your BS
Now your talking.

Now think about how long it can take for the penny to drop.
Never, apparently. I told you years ago that this is just Pseudo-Advaitan nonsense, and for a while you seemed to make a little progress but looks like you've relapsed. W/e, it's "no one's problem" and you're just a figment of imagination anyway.
Now you are starting to understand everything.
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Re: how to understand everything

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Fairy wrote: Sun Jul 21, 2024 1:01 pm
Atla wrote: Sun Jul 21, 2024 12:57 pm
Fairy wrote: Sun Jul 21, 2024 12:50 pm

Now your talking.

Now think about how long it can take for the penny to drop.
Never, apparently. I told you years ago that this is just Pseudo-Advaitan nonsense, and for a while you seemed to make a little progress but looks like you've relapsed. W/e, it's "no one's problem" and you're just a figment of imagination anyway.
Now you are starting to understand everything.
Now could you please un-imagine your internet access.
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Re: how to understand everything

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Atla wrote: Sun Jul 21, 2024 1:03 pm
Now could you please un-imagine your internet access.
Yes.
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