Was Hitler as bad as some make him out to be?

[Alexis Jacobi]

Could be why Carlson was fired. I rarely see him anymore, although I hear he's still out there somewhere.

What?? He has his own site now and puts up many videos, and regularly, on YouTube. He is literally *all over the place*.

[Walker]

Yeah, I've gathered that Chompsky is a commie, the allure of which is the promise of security.

[Walker]

Could be why Carlson was fired. I rarely see him anymore, although I hear he's still out there somewhere.

What?? He has his own site now and puts up many videos, and regularly, on YouTube. He is literally *all over the place*.

I heard, I just don't go lookin'. He makes the case for principles obviously in play these days.

The way I figure it, anyone who makes billions is not a working man or woman. Paradoxically, working men (and women) work harder than those who make billions. However, those who make billions take a risk, and the arrangements for taking the risk are what they call work. Those who make billions and do not take a risk, control the system, and have close connections with government.

Carlson furnishes the details of the current iteration of this, and that’s a good thing.

[Immanuel Can]

A post made a while back in another thread still has me thinking about it.

In my opinion, Hitler is NOT someone we ought to sympathize with. We really ought to steer clear of what happened in Nazi Germany. Why? Because there were "concentration" camps and Germany invaded many countries unprovoked. Hitler was Hillter and he was not good. Full stop. End of story. Can we move on now?

Hitler was wicked. He killed a lot of people -- but not in person -- through the incentivizing of many proxies, really. And he did global-level damage. He did not kill as many people as Stalin or Mao, who both killed few or none personally, but whose authority was used to kill millions. But these two were also only proxies, because they followed the ideology constructed for them by somebody else.

Hitler did not even come close to killing as many people as Karl Marx has done. And his count is still climbing.

So who was the most wicked man ever? If we judge by fatalities, then Hitler's is, at most, in third place. Marx is far-and-away number 1.

[Gary Childress]

Could be why Carlson was fired. I rarely see him anymore, although I hear he's still out there somewhere.

What?? He has his own site now and puts up many videos, and regularly, on YouTube. He is literally *all over the place*.

I heard, I just don't go lookin'. He makes the case for principles obviously in play these days.

The way I figure it, anyone who makes billions is not a working man or woman. Paradoxically, working men (and women) work harder than those who make billions. However, those who make billions take a risk, and the arrangements for taking the risk are what they call work. Those who make billions and do not take a risk, control the system, and have close connections with government.

Chomsky has on multiple occasions stated that the wealthiest don't believe in free markets. They more or less inflict it on others. In the world of the uber wealthy, profit is privatized, costs are socialized.

[Harbal]

A post made a while back in another thread still has me thinking about it.

In my opinion, Hitler is NOT someone we ought to sympathize with. We really ought to steer clear of what happened in Nazi Germany. Why? Because there were "concentration" camps and Germany invaded many countries unprovoked. Hitler was Hillter and he was not good. Full stop. End of story. Can we move on now?

Hitler was wicked. He killed a lot of people -- but not in person -- through the incentivizing of many proxies, really. And he did global-level damage. He did not kill as many people as Stalin or Mao, who both killed few or none personally, but whose authority was used to kill millions. But these two were also only proxies, because they followed the ideology constructed for them by somebody else.

Hitler did not even come close to killing as many people as Karl Marx has done. And his count is still climbing.

So who was the most wicked man ever? If we judge by fatalities, then Hitler's is, at most, in third place. Marx is far-and-away number 1.

It's a shame you don't really believe in man made climate change; otherwise you could blame that on Marx, as well.

[Immanuel Can]

It's a shame you don't really believe in man made climate change; otherwise you could blame that on Marx, as well.

Ummm...no, that's not sensible. Marx didn't talk about climate at all, so far as I've ever been able to find. But he sure did talk about revolution, violence, and the demonization of the opposition. And like Hegel, he regarded "History" (his version of it) as a wasteful process, in which the loss of lives was not to be lamented. His ideas were what influenced modern Socialists to kill well over 140 million people...because the 140 million are only the ones we can know for sure...and you know there had to be more, then.

So Marx is #1: the most evil man in human history...so far.

[Alexiev]

It's a shame you don't really believe in man made climate change; otherwise you could blame that on Marx, as well.

Ummm...no, that's not sensible. Marx didn't talk about climate at all, so far as I've ever been able to find. But he sure did talk about revolution, violence, and the demonization of the opposition. And like Hegel, he regarded "History" (his version of it) as a wasteful process, in which the loss of lives was not to be lamented. His ideas were what influenced modern Socialists to kill well over 140 million people...because the 140 million are only the ones we can know for sure...and you know there had to be more, then.

So Marx is #1: the most evil man in human history...so far.

By that reasoning, God is more evil than any human. He once killed 99.9% of all the people in the world.

In fact, He kills everyone, after Adam and Eve ate that apple.

Or perhaps you can't go only by the numbers.

[Harbal]

It's a shame you don't really believe in man made climate change; otherwise you could blame that on Marx, as well.

Ummm...no, that's not sensible. Marx didn't talk about climate at all, so far as I've ever been able to find. But he sure did talk about revolution, violence, and the demonization of the opposition. And like Hegel, he regarded "History" (his version of it) as a wasteful process, in which the loss of lives was not to be lamented. His ideas were what influenced modern Socialists to kill well over 140 million people...because the 140 million are only the ones we can know for sure...and you know there had to be more, then.

So Marx is #1: the most evil man in human history...so far.

And I bet he pulled the wings off flies, just for fun.

[Alexiev]

It's a shame you don't really believe in man made climate change; otherwise you could blame that on Marx, as well.

Ummm...no, that's not sensible. Marx didn't talk about climate at all, so far as I've ever been able to find. But he sure did talk about revolution, violence, and the demonization of the opposition. And like Hegel, he regarded "History" (his version of it) as a wasteful process, in which the loss of lives was not to be lamented. His ideas were what influenced modern Socialists to kill well over 140 million people...because the 140 million are only the ones we can know for sure...and you know there had to be more, then.

So Marx is #1: the most evil man in human history...so far.

And I bet he pulled the wings off flies, just for fun.

Also, any Christians killed by Marxists went directly to heaven. Papa Karl was doing them a favor.

[Gary Childress]

It's a shame you don't really believe in man made climate change; otherwise you could blame that on Marx, as well.

Ummm...no, that's not sensible. Marx didn't talk about climate at all, so far as I've ever been able to find. But he sure did talk about revolution, violence, and the demonization of the opposition. And like Hegel, he regarded "History" (his version of it) as a wasteful process, in which the loss of lives was not to be lamented. His ideas were what influenced modern Socialists to kill well over 140 million people...because the 140 million are only the ones we can know for sure...and you know there had to be more, then.

So Marx is #1: the most evil man in human history...so far.

Just to split hairs, Chomsky may be a "communist" (whatever that means), but I don't think all communism (nor Chomsky's anarcho-syndicalism) is Marxist communism. Chomsky has been extremely critical of the Soviets. He got into trouble with his comments regarding Cambodia's "killing fields" (which I recall you pointing out) but he was coming at it from a propaganda standpoint as used by the US to excuse our intervention in Vietnam.

Chomsky is critical of Marxism's dogmatic strains, and the idea of Marxism itself, but still appreciates Marx's contributions to political thought.[28] Chomsky does not consider Bolshevism "Marxism in practice", but he does recognize that Marx was a complicated figure who had conflicting ideas; while he acknowledges the latent authoritarianism in Marx he also points to the libertarian strains which developed into the council communism of Rosa Luxemburg and Anton Pannekoek.[28] His commitment to libertarian socialism however has led him to characterize himself as an anarchist with radical Marxist leanings.[29]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political ... nd%20Anton

[Alexis Jacobi]

Just to split hairs, Chomsky may be a "communist" (whatever that means), but I don't think all communism (nor Chomsky's anarcho-syndicalism) is Marxist communism. Chomsky has been extremely critical of the Soviets.

Please note that as far as I am aware he only refers to some of the Spanish anarchists in the mid-1930s as admirable models.

There is no communist nation or regime that he could refer to as admirable! Because there is no applied-communist applied-Marxist regime that has admirable qualities.

Thus he is an extreme idealist who, at least this is possible to suggest, acts on people like a Pied Piper.

The moralist’s siren song is extremely powerful. In this sense — this is my own view — Chomsky has seemed to me quintessentially Hebraic. Tikkun olam but expressed through rationalistic, Enlightenment terms. A type of unbendable critical will.

[Gary Childress]

Just to split hairs, Chomsky may be a "communist" (whatever that means), but I don't think all communism (nor Chomsky's anarcho-syndicalism) is Marxist communism. Chomsky has been extremely critical of the Soviets.

Please note that as far as I am aware he only refers to some of the Spanish anarchists in the mid-1930s as admirable models.

He's made favorable statements concerning the Israeli Kibbutz system as well.

There is no communist nation or regime that he could refer to as admirable! Because there is no applied-communist applied-Marxist regime that has admirable qualities.

Thus he is an extreme idealist who, at least this is possible to suggest, acts on people like a Pied Piper.

The moralist’s siren song is extremely powerful. In this sense — this is my own view — Chomsky has seemed to me quintessentially Hebraic. Tikkun olam but expressed through rationalistic, Enlightenment terms. A type of unbendable critical will.

An interesting way of looking at him, for sure.

[Immanuel Can]

It's a shame you don't really believe in man made climate change; otherwise you could blame that on Marx, as well.

Ummm...no, that's not sensible. Marx didn't talk about climate at all, so far as I've ever been able to find. But he sure did talk about revolution, violence, and the demonization of the opposition. And like Hegel, he regarded "History" (his version of it) as a wasteful process, in which the loss of lives was not to be lamented. His ideas were what influenced modern Socialists to kill well over 140 million people...because the 140 million are only the ones we can know for sure...and you know there had to be more, then.

So Marx is #1: the most evil man in human history...so far.

By that reasoning, God is more evil than any human. He once killed 99.9% of all the people in the world.

Except that God is the origin point of good and of justice, and the people He judged were exceedingly wicked, as Genesis records. So they, like everybody else, chose their paths. And He, as a righteous God, does not turn a blind eye to the evil that men choose.

That's the irony of the Atheist: he claims God is bad for not judging evil, and for allowing men to do what they do, then he complains that God is bad if He does judge men for the abuses they make of their freedom.

Perhaps they should pick a story and stick to it.

[Gary Childress]

Ummm...no, that's not sensible. Marx didn't talk about climate at all, so far as I've ever been able to find. But he sure did talk about revolution, violence, and the demonization of the opposition. And like Hegel, he regarded "History" (his version of it) as a wasteful process, in which the loss of lives was not to be lamented. His ideas were what influenced modern Socialists to kill well over 140 million people...because the 140 million are only the ones we can know for sure...and you know there had to be more, then.

So Marx is #1: the most evil man in human history...so far.

By that reasoning, God is more evil than any human. He once killed 99.9% of all the people in the world.

Except that God is the origin point of good and of justice, and the people He judged were exceedingly wicked, as Genesis records. So they, like everybody else, chose their paths. And He, as a righteous God, does not turn a blind eye to the evil that men choose.

That's the irony of the Atheist: he claims God is bad for not judging evil, and for allowing men to do what they do, then he complains that God is bad if He does judge men for the abuses they make of their freedom.

Perhaps they should pick a story and stick to it.

From what I've read, the world is on the verge of ecological and perhaps militarist disaster. It kind of freaks some of us out sometimes. If there is a God, it would be nice if the world were a little safer a place and more of us could feel like there is a future for life on Earth.