The Globalist Agenda - -

[Alexis Jacobi]

Yes, I was focused on what I see as an important first step. I could only watch the beginning of the video -- it seems very slapdab to me -- but it seems to be framing the issue as globalism is created by the liberal/left and it's a post Marxist creation. I think the right needs to take responsibility for freeing up corporations, letting things like NAFTA go through and buying into the neo-con agenda, all of which are parts of globalization. And so is current and recent capitalism. Capitalists do not give a shit about nations or cultures. When I say capitalists I mean the real players, not people who necessarily support capitalism in some form -- and who often aren't aware of the variety of possible forms, though that's another subject.

The contentions in that video-piece, or its 'narratives', are common not so much on *the Right*, but I think on what we'd have to label the Alt-Right and the Dissident Right. And this Alt-Right is the popular or semi-vulgar restating of some of the positions developed by GRECE (Groupement de Recherche et d'Études pour la Civilisation Européenne). Sorry, Wikipedia is the most accessible:

The Nouvelle Droite began with the formation of Groupement de recherche et d'études pour la civilisation européenne (GRECE; Research and Study Group for European Civilization), a French group guided largely by the philosopher Alain de Benoist, in Nice in 1968. De Benoist and other early GRECE members had long been involved in far-right politics, and their new movement was influenced by older rightist currents of thought like the German conservative revolutionary movement. Although rejecting left-wing ideas of human equality, the Nouvelle Droite was also heavily influenced by the tactics of the New Left and some forms of Marxism. Particularly influential were the sociocultural ideas of the Italian Marxist Antonio Gramsci, with ND members describing themselves as the "Gramscians of the Right". The ND achieved a level of mainstream respectability in France during the 1970s, although their reputation and influence declined following sustained liberal and leftist anti-fascist opposition. Members of the Nouvelle Droite joined several political parties, becoming a particularly strong influence within the far-right French National Front, while ND ideas also influenced far-right groups elsewhere in Europe. In the 21st century, the ND has influenced multiple far-right groups, such as the Identitarian movement and forms of national-anarchism.

The ND opposes multiculturalism and the mixing of different cultures within a single society, opposes liberal democracy and capitalism, and promotes localised forms of what it terms "organic democracy", with the intent of rooting out elements of oligarchy. It pushes for an "archeofuturistic" or a type of non-reactionary "revolutionary conservative" method to the reinvigoration of the Pan-European identity and culture, while encouraging the preservation of certain regions where Europeans and their Caucasian descendants may reside. Concurrently, it attempts to sustain the protection of the variance of ethnicities and identities around the globe, defending the right of each group of people to keep their own lands and regions to occupy. To achieve its goals, the ND promotes what it calls "metapolitics", seeking to influence and shift European culture in ways sympathetic to its cause over a lengthy period of time rather than by actively campaigning for office through political parties.

A strange flip-flop has occurred: at least in some ways the Dissident Right has taken up some positions that would not have been possible for the traditional Right (and still are not). The Democrat Left (at least in the US) seems to have become aligned with the State, and even with the general *order* and has abandoned in large part its former commitments.

[Iwannaplato]

A strange flip-flop has occurred: at least in some ways the Dissident Right has taken up some positions that would not have been possible for the traditional Right (and still are not). The Democrat Left (at least in the US) seems to have become aligned with the State, and even with the general *order* and has abandoned in large part its former commitments.

Yes, it's a weird mirror image of when I was younger. The nominally right wing candidate has had tendencies towards non-intervention and more isolationist foreign policy. The Democrats are more Hawkish (though trump would spend more money on the military).

You had the Jan 6 'uprising' where people dressed up like hippies stormed the capital, breaking through police lines - 'succeeding' in a way hippies and Yippies never quite managed despite having orders of magnitude more participants.

You have the right more pro-Russia. The left more likely to think of it as 'an evil empire'.

You have the left more aligned with the state and authority and....corporations. And corporations returning (creating) the favor. More members of the right are critical of corporations than they were a few decades back. And while the right is often complaining about Marxism, they are reacting to signals of fascism in corporate state collusion. (and really who cares what they call that collusion)

Restrictions on free speech are coming more from the Left.

China is some kind of weird communist/capitalist hybrid that neither the left nor the right likes very much and I think are rather confused by.

And the two groups that think there are two discrete groups (only) are both getting more and more extreme in their views of each other. Certainly there have been periods of this before, but to my ears, never quite this extreme at least since the late 60s early 70s. It possible this part is on a cycle.

[Iwannaplato]

The contentions in that video-piece, or its 'narratives', are common not so much on *the Right*, but I think on what we'd have to label the Alt-Right and the Dissident Right.

Sure, but this part of the right is much larger than it was. And mainstream members of both sides these days seem to blame everything on the other side (as they see the sides). We have the PK attitude vs. Wizard attitude in a way I haven't seen for a long time.

[Gary Childress]

I live in Florida in the US. We get a lot of immigrants here too. I just want to live in peace with them. This thread does not contribute to that endeavor. I consider you one of my friends here on PN. I will always consider you a friend regardless of what you post or how you respond. However, I wish you'd calm down and fight the good fight with me and stop all this negativity.

I return to this because, rereading Gorgias recently, I am interested in this statement for its rhetorical content and strength.

If it is assumed that “immigration” is a bona fide (incontestable) good. Then what if (working from Iwannaplato’s complaint) what if the state (Florida in this case) were flooded with corporate persons who, because of their tremendously amplified power, overpowered the citizen-individual?

Would Gary then reasonably say: “I just want to live in peace with them”?

Most of the "corporate persons" I've encountered in Florida are well educated white professionals (though that is changing with the population demographics to whatever extent). As far as immigration being "incontestable good", that's not my position. Immigration just is. It's been happening since the dawn of human beings. It's nothing new and it will probably continue in varying degrees of intensity for as long as there are people on Earth.

My position in all this is to try to get along with the new neighbors. Complaining about it and taking to the streets is not going to solve anything. Besides, my country has been going through this sort of thing since it was "founded". We're all 'mutts' and half breeds here.

Every new wave of immigrants from various cultures and countries has experienced discrimination and people thought it was the end of America to have them come in. By the time the next generation of children grow up, they'll be more accustomed to all the Arabs and Hispanics and it won't be as big an issue as it is to those of us who grew up in a predominately white European America.

There's nothing I or much of anyone can do about immigration. It makes little sense to get all bent out of shape over it, unless one wishes to simply be aggravated all one's life.

[attofishpi]

I live in Florida in the US. We get a lot of immigrants here too. I just want to live in peace with them. This thread does not contribute to that endeavor. I consider you one of my friends here on PN. I will always consider you a friend regardless of what you post or how you respond. However, I wish you'd calm down and fight the good fight with me and stop all this negativity.

Yes, these would be your neighbours if you lived in Birmingham. Not sure you'd want to hang out with these types - dancing in the street celebrating with machetes etc since getting MPs into Parliament.

er...sorry to be so negative - just attempting to OPEN EYES to what Mainstream Media refuse to report on..

[attofishpi]

Who Are The Globalists & What Do They Want?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-EX8wTPLRg&t=301s

That timestamp doesn't lead to him saying anything about who they are. It just says a bunch of random shit. Who are they supposed to be and what are their motives?

I don't know if there is a conspired "Globalist Agenda" I am merely QUESTIONING as to what is going on in Europe especially where the LEFT governments are allowing the Western democracy to falter under MASS (* mostly illegal) immigration?

My main area of concern and truly, I feel we are on the cusp of being too late - -- is the ISLAMIST invasion - they get the VOTE and they tend to align their vote, hence partisan politics is a permanent fixture in most (currently) Democratic countries in Europe.

MY MAIN AREAS OF CONCERN ARE:-
1. Islamic ideology.
2. Islamic invasion via any means.
3. LEFT wing politics ALLOWING this invasion.
4. Mainstream Media REFUSING to report on violence etc.. from these Islamist Muslims (I can only find reporting via other means)
5. Mainstream Media continually calling RIGHT wing politics as "FAR RIGHT"
6. " " ......continually reporting NEGATIVELY on anyone that leans to the RIGHT as "thugs" "racists" etc..

Indeed, watching closely what happened to Reform UK electoral bid and seeing how BBC and Channel 4 attempted to "stitch-up" Farage's campaign with the racism trope.. Y?

WHAT IS GOING ON??? PLEASE SOMEONE EXPLAIN...

Why would the likes of Starmer and outgoing Tories allow\accommodate my list 1-6 above?

[Gary Childress]

I live in Florida in the US. We get a lot of immigrants here too. I just want to live in peace with them. This thread does not contribute to that endeavor. I consider you one of my friends here on PN. I will always consider you a friend regardless of what you post or how you respond. However, I wish you'd calm down and fight the good fight with me and stop all this negativity.

Yes, these would be your neighbours if you lived in Birmingham. Not sure you'd want to hang out with these types - dancing in the street celebrating with machetes etc since getting MPs into Parliament.

er...sorry to be so negative - just attempting to OPEN EYES to what Mainstream Media refuse to report on..

You don't have to apologize to me. I'm still your friend. Would love to see you less worried over something that is beyond anyone's control.

[Alexis Jacobi]

Corporate person = a corporation. Corporations gained legal status as juridical persons.

[Gary Childress]

Corporate person = a corporation. Corporations gained legal status as juridical persons.

Apologies for my misunderstanding.

[Age]

Who Are The Globalists & What Do They Want?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-EX8wTPLRg&t=301s

That timestamp doesn't lead to him saying anything about who they are. It just says a bunch of random shit. Who are they supposed to be and what are their motives?

I don't know if there is a conspired "Globalist Agenda" I am merely QUESTIONING as to what is going on in Europe especially where the LEFT governments are allowing the Western democracy to falter under MASS (* mostly illegal) immigration?

If the government/law is letting human beings in, then how is that 'illegal immigration'?

Also, if you are, merely, questioning what is going on in "europe", and especially with some, perceived, "left", and not about some 'conspired globalist agenda', or not, then why did you start a thread titled; 'The globalist agenda ...'?

My main area of concern and truly, I feel we are on the cusp of being too late - -- is the ISLAMIST invasion - they get the VOTE and they tend to align their vote, hence partisan politics is a permanent fixture in most (currently) Democratic countries in Europe.

So, your 'area of concern' is that people if a particular faith, or religion', get not just 'a' vote' but get 'the' VOTE, and that 'they' 'tend to vote, unlike those like "harbal" for example, right?

MY MAIN AREAS OF CONCERN ARE:-
1. Islamic ideology.

Why?

2. Islamic invasion via any means.

Why?

3. LEFT wing politics ALLOWING this invasion.
4. Mainstream Media REFUSING to report on violence etc.. from these Islamist Muslims (I can only find reporting via other means)

And, those 'other means' are absolutely 100% irrefutably true, right, and reliable, right?

5. Mainstream Media continually calling RIGHT wing politics as "FAR RIGHT"

How would you like 'the media', which you are continually calling 'mainstream media', to distinguish 'the difference' between 'right wing politics' from the 'far right', exactly?

6. " " ......continually reporting NEGATIVELY on anyone that leans to the RIGHT as "thugs" "racists" etc..

Indeed, watching closely what happened to Reform UK electoral bid and seeing how BBC and Channel 4 attempted to "stitch-up" Farage's campaign with the racism trope.. Y?

WHAT IS GOING ON??? PLEASE SOMEONE EXPLAIN...

What is going on is that it looks and sounds like 'you' are just another adult human being who has been deceived, conned, and fooled by 'another particular set of beliefs', which is affecting the ability to look at and see things clearly and Correctly.

Why would the likes of Starmer and outgoing Tories allow\accomadate my list 1-6 above?

Why have you, relatively suddenly, become fixed, and fixated, on your list 1-6 above and on other things here?

[attofishpi]

World Economic Forum founder Klaus Schwab told delegates at a conference in China that humanity needs to be “forced into a collaboration” with globalist entities.

Schwab stated that in order to drive the “Fourth Industrial Revolution” forward, elites must aggressively drive their agenda home.

Schwab, the architect of the ‘Great Reset,’ has in recent years said that that he sees a transition into a new age where there will be a “fusion of our physical, our digital, and our biological dimensions” in a “new world.”

[Age]

World Economic Forum founder Klaus Schwab told delegates at a conference in China that humanity needs to be “forced into a collaboration” with globalist entities.

Schwab stated that in order to drive the “Fourth Industrial Revolution” forward, elites must aggressively drive their agenda home.

Schwab, the architect of the ‘Great Reset,’ has in recent years said that that he sees a transition into a new age where there will be a “fusion of our physical, our digital, and our biological dimensions” in a “new world.”

Okay. But;

'you do not know if there is a conspired "Globalist Agenda". And, you are merely questioning as to what is going on in "europe", especially where the "left governments" are allowing the "western democracy" to falter under mass (* mostly illegal) immigration', right?

[Flannel Jesus]

MY MAIN AREAS OF CONCERN ARE:-
1. Islamic ideology.
2. Islamic invasion via any means.
3. LEFT wing politics ALLOWING this invasion.
4. Mainstream Media REFUSING to report on violence etc.. from these Islamist Muslims (I can only find reporting via other means)
5. Mainstream Media continually calling RIGHT wing politics as "FAR RIGHT"
6. " " ......continually reporting NEGATIVELY on anyone that leans to the RIGHT as "thugs" "racists" etc..

Indeed, watching closely what happened to Reform UK electoral bid and seeing how BBC and Channel 4 attempted to "stitch-up" Farage's campaign with the racism trope.. Y?

WHAT IS GOING ON??? PLEASE SOMEONE EXPLAIN...

Why would the likes of Starmer and outgoing Tories allow\accommodate my list 1-6 above?

Are you sure they do? Are you sure every single one of those points by you is being understood by you correctly, rather than the possibility that you've eaten up some fear mongering and plain lies for some of them?

Every single one of us is vulnerable to misinformation. I certainly am. If we call ourselves "philosophers" here, without recognising that vulnerability, then we're no philosophers at all.

[attofishpi]

MY MAIN AREAS OF CONCERN ARE:-
1. Islamic ideology.
2. Islamic invasion via any means.
3. LEFT wing politics ALLOWING this invasion.
4. Mainstream Media REFUSING to report on violence etc.. from these Islamist Muslims (I can only find reporting via other means)
5. Mainstream Media continually calling RIGHT wing politics as "FAR RIGHT"
6. " " ......continually reporting NEGATIVELY on anyone that leans to the RIGHT as "thugs" "racists" etc..

Indeed, watching closely what happened to Reform UK electoral bid and seeing how BBC and Channel 4 attempted to "stitch-up" Farage's campaign with the racism trope.. Y?

WHAT IS GOING ON??? PLEASE SOMEONE EXPLAIN...

Why would the likes of Starmer and outgoing Tories allow\accommodate my list 1-6 above?

Are you sure they do? Are you sure every single one of those points by you is being understood by you correctly, rather than the possibility that you've eaten up some fear mongering and plain lies for some of them?

Well, I think you live in UK so surely you'd understand where I am wrong, right?

Every single one of us is vulnerable to misinformation. I certainly am. If we call ourselves "philosophers" here, without recognising that vulnerability, then we're no philosophers at all.

Absolutely correct. Which is part of my point regarding MSM.

So of the list 1-6 is there anything in particular that you don't think is worth concerning oneself about? - indeed, anything there in particular that from your POV is likely to be inaccurate?

[Flannel Jesus]

Well, I think you live in UK so surely you'd understand where I am wrong, right?

I do live in the UK, but no, I'm terribly ill prepared to distinguish between the truths and falsehoods of your list. The basic awareness I do have makes certain elements of that list highly suspect and needing of serious evidence, for example the points about Muslims/Islam.

I actually hate political news, in part because I'm aware of how much I'm being lied to, by the right but also by the left. The fact that I'm being fed so much information that I can't reasonably verify makes me uncomfortable. That's not to say I don't engage at all with political news, or believe any claims - I do, and no doubt some of the claims I currently believe are false. I don't it's possible to engage in political news these days without accidentally believing some falsehoods.

But that discomfort makes me avoid engaging with UK politics, and so no, I'm not prepared to distinguish between which of your points are truths, half truths, or lies