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Peter Kropotkin wrote: Sat Jun 29, 2024 2:51 pm What is to stop him from being dictator for life?
With this hallucinatory assertion one sees how the hysterical mood of TDS doubles down on ridiculous speculations. It is not possible in the American system for a dictator for life to emerge. The notion is at a nutjob level.

But the assertion has a function, as does the mood or psychology of TDS. It can rally people to share in the hysteria, and the hysterical reaction has a function. It is a tool of opposition. And if one actually believes such a thing is possible then any oppositional activism to the rise of this dictator is made possible. It sets up the Left-Democrats to come up with wacky oppositional plans.

If you can state that lie — and believe it! — you can believe anything! And you will.

Our task is to examine it. To understand it.

As I say: once one has gone round the first bend in the river — taken leave of a grounded perspective — all other nutty deviations seem to become necessary. There is no turning back. One must literally double- and triple-down on the deranged perspective which become more outrageous as it morphs.

This is not mere conflict of ideas in a social marketplace of ideas but rather a deeply psycho-political form of hysteria.

If I were to define Kropotkineism I could not avoid seeing it as a social pathology.

I agree: the nation is sick in many ways and the sickness does manifest on all sides of the spectrum. It just seems exacerbated on the Left-Democrat side.
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Peter Kropotkin wrote: Sat Jun 29, 2024 2:51 pm
Walker wrote: Sat Jun 29, 2024 1:06 pm
Peter Kropotkin wrote: Sat Jun 29, 2024 10:37 am he has stated he will be a dictator from day one....
He said he would be a dictator for one day only ... only on the first day.
K: awww, isn't that cute... you actually believe him when he says he will be a ''dictator for a day''....
:lol: At this moment particularly, your mockery is misplaced and ineffective.

Do you not realize that while Walker may be taking him at his word, you are taking him at MORE THAN his word? :shock:

Walker is understanding the obvious joke in Trump's words; you're missing the joke. Walker only assumes Trump will do as he says; you assume he will do what he has never said. :shock: If you indict him as a crass literalist, he can indict you as an absurd fantasist, reeling off imaginings you have no warrant for at all. :shock:

Now, a reasonable man would expect from Trump pretty much the same things the US got when Trump was last in office...and he didn't turn into a dictator, or a war-monger, or the ruination of the nation, or a disaster on the international front, or a Nazi... Trump may not be a good man, but Biden also decidedly isn't: and now, he's much less than a man, a shambling shell of a man. The most pressing question now is what will happen when the free world is presided over by a manifestly senile person...and who is it who really has been managing America all along? :shock:
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Alexiev wrote: Sat Jun 29, 2024 2:45 pm
I take Kipling's meaning to be: Reality, no matter how far a'field man goes with his fantasies, always asserts itself.

What brought it to mind: the latest iteration of the 'man can be woman' nonsense highlighted by AJ's and PK's exchange.

PK, like many of his ilk, fears to offend the deluded (so, to hell with reality) while AJ points out these deluded folk are symptoms of a general disconnect from reality (and the disease is far from having run its course [and it might be fatal]).
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Immanuel Can wrote: Sat Jun 29, 2024 3:14 pm [

Now, a reasonable man would expect from Trump pretty much the same things the US got when Trump was last in office...and he didn't turn into a dictator, or a war-monger, or the ruination of the nation, or a disaster on the international front, or a Nazi...
Trump tried to overturn the results of the election. He failed, so he did not turn into a dictator.

Biden is a terrible candidate, but not dangerous.
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Here, Glen Greenwald (he recently converted to Nazism and I am rather proud to say reached out to me for a copy of the Hitler-Eva prayer which I have translated into Esperanto) speaks to the corporate media lies re Biden’s impaired state.

If they lie so brazenly in this category, does it not stand to reason that they do so in a variety of different areas?
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Do you not realize that while Walker may be taking him at his word, you are taking him at MORE THAN his word? :shock:

Walker is understanding the obvious joke in Trump's words; you're missing the joke. Walker only assumes Trump will do as he says; you assume he will do what he has never said. :shock: If you indict him as a crass literalist, he can indict you as an absurd fantasist, reeling off imaginings you have no warrant for at all. :shock:
Trump is a pathological liar.

"His word" is worthless.
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Biden is a terrible candidate, but not dangerous.
Senility is dangerous for a nation.
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Immanuel Can wrote: Sat Jun 29, 2024 3:14 pm
Peter Kropotkin wrote: Sat Jun 29, 2024 2:51 pm
Walker wrote: Sat Jun 29, 2024 1:06 pm
He said he would be a dictator for one day only ... only on the first day.
K: awww, isn't that cute... you actually believe him when he says he will be a ''dictator for a day''....
:lol: At this moment particularly, your mockery is misplaced and ineffective.

Do you not realize that while Walker may be taking him at his word, you are taking him at MORE THAN his word? :shock:

Walker is understanding the obvious joke in Trump's words; you're missing the joke. Walker only assumes Trump will do as he says; you assume he will do what he has never said. :shock: If you indict him as a crass literalist, he can indict you as an absurd fantasist, reeling off imaginings you have no warrant for at all. :shock:

Now, a reasonable man would expect from Trump pretty much the same things the US got when Trump was last in office...and he didn't turn into a dictator, or a war-monger, or the ruination of the nation, or a disaster on the international front, or a Nazi... Trump may not be a good man, but Biden also decidedly isn't: and now, he's much less than a man, a shambling shell of a man. The most pressing question now is what will happen when the free world is presided over by a manifestly senile person...and who is it who really has been managing America all along? :shock:
If Trump's statements are a joke, then it doesn't seem like a very appropriate joke for a would be leader of a democratic republic. Wouldn't it be more rational to take a person at their word on something like that?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aX0iAmz9iLM
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henry quirk wrote: Sat Jun 29, 2024 4:10 pm
Alexiev wrote: Sat Jun 29, 2024 2:45 pm
I take Kipling's meaning to be: Reality, no matter how far a'field man goes with his fantasies, always asserts itself.

What brought it to mind: the latest iteration of the 'man can be woman' nonsense highlighted by AJ's and PK's exchange.

PK, like many of his ilk, fears to offend the deluded (so, to hell with reality) while AJ points out these deluded folk are symptoms of a general disconnect from reality (and the disease is far from having run its course [and it might be fatal]).
Woke belief is that "reality is constructed." That's one of their central convictions, always present in their literature. That is, that reality is a consensual delusion created by the enthusiasms of human beings, not an external reality that can "assert itself." What we call "reality" is merely the "reified" (their word) accretions of human culture, not the objective facts...but that we mistake these "constructions" for inevitablities, because they are "systemic" and have become "internalized" as "oppression." (again, using their preferred terms) Thus, their "liberatory praxis" is to extract us from our belief that reality is reality, and commit us to the delusion they are preferring -- for only when all of "society affirms" their delusion will it become the "reality" in which we live.

In other words, Henry, it's YOU who's holding them back from "the worker's paradise," or "the just society," or the next phase of "social evolution" and "progress" as they conceive them. And this is why they hate you so viciously, and attempt to bully you so relentlessly, and will even kill you if you make them; because you are the retrograde virus that is preventing the progressive dream from being realized for everybody else. They are the warriors of virtue, and you are the great Satan of their imaginings. Things which, in any other context, they would recognize as immoral and inhuman are things they are not only allowed to do to you, but are encouraged to do, and feel virtuous in doing.

So they can lie, harass, slander, censor, silence, strike, bludgeon, incarcerate, steal, burn and even murder, all while feeling an ever-loftier sense of moral purity while so doing. For their violence against you is proof to them of two things: firstly, how wicked you are, that you have made them do unconscionable things to you, and secondly, how righteous they are, that they are willing to sacrifice even their own basic human decency in order to dispatch you.

So Kropotkin et al will never admit their narrative is even flawed, let alone disingenuous and toxic. It will be affirmed, and affirmed, and affirmed...until it "reconstructs" reality, and thus becomes true.

Biden's not senile. Democrats never lie. Men can be women. Transing is affirming of identity. America is inherently racist. Capitalism destroys, but Communism offers ultimate freedom. Babies are not human beings. Euthanasia is fun. The press and the mass media never lie. The wars are necessary. Money can just be printed in unlimited supply. The economy is not faltering, oil is not expensive, and groceries remain cheap. COVID measures were necessary in the public interest. The universities are fine. Taxes are good. Borders should be open. Radical Islamists are peaceful. The government establishment works for our good. The democratic processes have never been subverted. Drugs should be legalized. The homeless should be on the streets. The world is being destroyed by climate change, but only in the West, and never by the East and South. The Chinese government is our friend. Technology will only really take us in the right direction, so whatever is invented will turn out to be good.


And so on. All these beliefs, and more, are in their stock of thing they plan to "construct" as true, merely by the power of compelling public belief in them. Reality will change. Truth is irrelevant.

And you, Henry, are the present problem...you, and your "firm grip on reality," which must be broken. :shock:
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phyllo wrote: Sat Jun 29, 2024 4:35 pm
Biden is a terrible candidate, but not dangerous.
Senility is dangerous for a nation.
Yep. Ask Ukraine.
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Gary Childress wrote: Sat Jun 29, 2024 4:37 pm If Trump's statements are a joke, then it doesn't seem like a very appropriate joke for a would be leader of a democratic republic.
It was made in response to an allegation by the Left. It was they who claimed he was aiming at "dictatorship," and he mocked them.

Entirely appropriately, it seems.
Wouldn't it be more rational to take a person at their word on something like that?
Well, if you couldn't understand a quip, it would.

But let's say you do: then you'd have to literally believe that Trump would "dictate" for one day. And he's not going to get much done in the first day of his tenure. So I think you can sleep well on that point.
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Immanuel Can wrote: Sat Jun 29, 2024 4:53 pm
Gary Childress wrote: Sat Jun 29, 2024 4:37 pm If Trump's statements are a joke, then it doesn't seem like a very appropriate joke for a would be leader of a democratic republic.
It was made in response to an allegation by the Left. It was they who claimed he was aiming at "dictatorship," and he mocked them.

Entirely appropriately, it seems.
Wouldn't it be more rational to take a person at their word on something like that?
Well, if you couldn't understand a quip, it would.

But let's say you do: then you'd have to literally believe that Trump would "dictate" for one day. And he's not going to get much done in the first day of his tenure. So I think you can sleep well on that point.
I think Trump is being a reckless and vain man. He's creating an atmosphere of terror and who knows what will happen if he's elected. He could start a civil war or something with talk like that.
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Gary Childress wrote: Sat Jun 29, 2024 5:08 pm
Immanuel Can wrote: Sat Jun 29, 2024 4:53 pm
Gary Childress wrote: Sat Jun 29, 2024 4:37 pm If Trump's statements are a joke, then it doesn't seem like a very appropriate joke for a would be leader of a democratic republic.
It was made in response to an allegation by the Left. It was they who claimed he was aiming at "dictatorship," and he mocked them.

Entirely appropriately, it seems.
Wouldn't it be more rational to take a person at their word on something like that?
Well, if you couldn't understand a quip, it would.

But let's say you do: then you'd have to literally believe that Trump would "dictate" for one day. And he's not going to get much done in the first day of his tenure. So I think you can sleep well on that point.
I think Trump is being a reckless and vain man. He's creating an atmosphere of terror...
:lol: "Terror" of "one day"? Gary, Gary, Gary...
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Immanuel Can wrote: Sat Jun 29, 2024 5:09 pm
Gary Childress wrote: Sat Jun 29, 2024 5:08 pm
Immanuel Can wrote: Sat Jun 29, 2024 4:53 pm
It was made in response to an allegation by the Left. It was they who claimed he was aiming at "dictatorship," and he mocked them.

Entirely appropriately, it seems.

Well, if you couldn't understand a quip, it would.

But let's say you do: then you'd have to literally believe that Trump would "dictate" for one day. And he's not going to get much done in the first day of his tenure. So I think you can sleep well on that point.
I think Trump is being a reckless and vain man. He's creating an atmosphere of terror...
:lol: "Terror" of "one day"? Gary, Gary, Gary...
Trump stated that the election was "stolen" from him. Look what happened at the nation's Capitol when he made such reckless allegations. He is not some kind of Messiah. He can't say anything and everything he wants with impunity. I'm an American and I have to live in the country if Trump causes chaos.
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Here’s the test: you are presented with a situation by nerdy social scientists: Alexiev, Gary, Kropotkin, and Flash are in a holding cell behind a mirrored wall and cannot see you. You’ve been given a switch that sends an electric jolt when they engage in lying 🤥 or just spouting the typical nonsense. There is a dial — 1 to 10 — next to the switch, and the test is to see: Do you send mild jolts at say level 2 or do you crank the bitch up to nine?

Ah but here is where the essence of the test lies please pay attention: the switch is connected to your bank account! Low-level shocks administered cost you 25 cents or 50 cents. But after level 5 the cost increases to $10 and $20 and $50.

How long before you go broke?
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