A Return to the Topic of Consciousness

Is the mind the same as the body? What is consciousness? Can machines have it?

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Flannel Jesus
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Re: A Return to the Topic of Consciousness

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Age wrote: Sat Jun 29, 2024 8:23 am you seem to forget that you are in a public 'philosophy forum', from which anyone can 'look at' and 'see' what you are saying, and doing, here.
Atla wrote: Sat Jun 29, 2024 9:06 am You're the one who keeps forgetting that this is a public forum and anyone can see that the problem is with you, not with me/us.
Yeah, Age, you got this one wrong. And the people of the future see it too.
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Re: A Return to the Topic of Consciousness

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Flannel Jesus wrote: Sat Jun 29, 2024 8:54 am
Age wrote: Sat Jun 29, 2024 7:15 am
Oh, and by the way "flannel jesus", was it you, or was it not you, who wanted 'some actual arguments, from me, that 'that' is the case, instead of just stating it'?'

If yes, then did you miss where I provided some, for you?

If yes, then they are there.
Then WHERE they are?
Did you mean, 'Then WHERE are they?'

They are in this thread.

Have you, really, this completely MISSED them?
Flannel Jesus wrote: Sat Jun 29, 2024 8:54 am This is the internet.
Okay.
Flannel Jesus wrote: Sat Jun 29, 2024 8:54 am You can link to things.
Okay.
Flannel Jesus wrote: Sat Jun 29, 2024 8:54 am Are you incompetent to link to things?
Considering that I have linked to things previously, I will let you make of this as you will.
Flannel Jesus wrote: Sat Jun 29, 2024 8:54 am Do you not know how to use this forum software?
Yes.
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Re: A Return to the Topic of Consciousness

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Age wrote: Sat Jun 29, 2024 9:30 am
Flannel Jesus wrote: Sat Jun 29, 2024 8:54 am
Age wrote: Sat Jun 29, 2024 7:15 am
Oh, and by the way "flannel jesus", was it you, or was it not you, who wanted 'some actual arguments, from me, that 'that' is the case, instead of just stating it'?'

If yes, then did you miss where I provided some, for you?

If yes, then they are there.
Then WHERE they are?
Did you mean, 'Then WHERE are they?'

They are in this thread.

Have you, really, this completely MISSED them?
Flannel Jesus wrote: Sat Jun 29, 2024 8:54 am This is the internet.
Okay.
Flannel Jesus wrote: Sat Jun 29, 2024 8:54 am You can link to things.
Okay.
Flannel Jesus wrote: Sat Jun 29, 2024 8:54 am Are you incompetent to link to things?
Considering that I have linked to things previously, I will let you make of this as you will.
Flannel Jesus wrote: Sat Jun 29, 2024 8:54 am Do you not know how to use this forum software?
Yes.
I've already told you I haven't seen them. You know I haven't seen them. I am starting to surmise they the reason you keep asking if I've missed them, when you already know the answer, is because they're either not there or you don't actually want me to see them.

Link to them, or prove to the forum and everyone from the future that your are a liar and coward.
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Re: A Return to the Topic of Consciousness

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Atla wrote: Sat Jun 29, 2024 9:06 am
Age wrote: Sat Jun 29, 2024 8:23 am you seem to forget that you are in a public 'philosophy forum', from which anyone can 'look at' and 'see' what you are saying, and doing, here.
You're the one who keeps forgetting that this is a public forum and anyone can see that the problem is with you, not with me/us.
Okay.

So, 'we' are back to 'the problem', (whatever that is exactly), once again, comes 'back to me', when this is being written anyway, and never to anyone else here.

Also, claiming that 'I' am 'the one' who, supposedly, 'keeps forgetting' that this is a public forum, in consideration of what I have been actually saying here, could sound like another one of the most absurd, nonsensical, and irrational claims that you continually make here.
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Re: A Return to the Topic of Consciousness

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Flannel Jesus wrote: Sat Jun 29, 2024 9:16 am
Age wrote: Sat Jun 29, 2024 8:23 am you seem to forget that you are in a public 'philosophy forum', from which anyone can 'look at' and 'see' what you are saying, and doing, here.
Atla wrote: Sat Jun 29, 2024 9:06 am You're the one who keeps forgetting that this is a public forum and anyone can see that the problem is with you, not with me/us.
Yeah, Age, you got this one wrong. And the people of the future see it too.
'I', supposedly, got 'what', exactly, wrong here?
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Re: A Return to the Topic of Consciousness

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Age wrote: Sat Jun 29, 2024 9:34 am
Flannel Jesus wrote: Sat Jun 29, 2024 9:16 am
Age wrote: Sat Jun 29, 2024 8:23 am you seem to forget that you are in a public 'philosophy forum', from which anyone can 'look at' and 'see' what you are saying, and doing, here.
Atla wrote: Sat Jun 29, 2024 9:06 am You're the one who keeps forgetting that this is a public forum and anyone can see that the problem is with you, not with me/us.
Yeah, Age, you got this one wrong. And the people of the future see it too.
'I', supposedly, got 'what', exactly, wrong here?
The idea that because it's a public forum and people can see what's going on, it makes atla look bad somehow and not you.
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Re: A Return to the Topic of Consciousness

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:lol:
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Re: A Return to the Topic of Consciousness

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Flannel Jesus wrote: Sat Jun 29, 2024 9:33 am
Age wrote: Sat Jun 29, 2024 9:30 am
Flannel Jesus wrote: Sat Jun 29, 2024 8:54 am

Then WHERE they are?
Did you mean, 'Then WHERE are they?'

They are in this thread.

Have you, really, this completely MISSED them?
Flannel Jesus wrote: Sat Jun 29, 2024 8:54 am This is the internet.
Okay.
Flannel Jesus wrote: Sat Jun 29, 2024 8:54 am You can link to things.
Okay.
Flannel Jesus wrote: Sat Jun 29, 2024 8:54 am Are you incompetent to link to things?
Considering that I have linked to things previously, I will let you make of this as you will.
Flannel Jesus wrote: Sat Jun 29, 2024 8:54 am Do you not know how to use this forum software?
Yes.
I've already told you I haven't seen them.
But, you do not have to 'keep' telling me, or others, that you have not 'seen' them.

It is blatantly obvious that you missed them, and 'keep' missing them.

Are you aware that if you never 'look back', in this thread, then you will always 'keep' not having 'seen' them?
Flannel Jesus wrote: Sat Jun 29, 2024 9:33 am You know I haven't seen them.
Considering that it was 'I' who first informed 'you' that you missed them, what you say here could have gone 'without saying'.
Flannel Jesus wrote: Sat Jun 29, 2024 9:33 am
I am starting to surmise they the reason you keep asking if I've missed them, when you already know the answer, is because they're either not there or you don't actually want me to see them.
When you say, 'them', what are you referring to, exactly?

See, maybe 'we' are just talking 'passed' each other because 'we' are talking 'about' different things here.
Flannel Jesus wrote: Sat Jun 29, 2024 9:33 am Link to them, or prove to the forum and everyone from the future that your are a liar and coward.
But, most of the human beings who have read this thread, who did not miss them, already 'know' that they are here, in this thread.

'I' am not sure how you could have, actually, missed them here. They are not that far back to find, and 'see'.

But, obviously, the more you keep responding, without going looking, the further you will have to go back.

If I recall correctly, 'they' were presented in only a couple of posts after you told me to: Quit talking about doing it and do it.

Which if I recall correctly would only be one or so pages back from this one. Or about fifteen or so posts back. Maybe if you actually read the actual words in the actual posts I have written, after you wanted me to give 'them' to you, then you would have 'seen' them, and not have 'missed' them.

But, just let 'us' know if you are, still, having some difficulty here locating them. I will see if I can be assistance to you in some other way.
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Re: A Return to the Topic of Consciousness

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Flannel Jesus wrote: Sat Jun 29, 2024 9:39 am
Age wrote: Sat Jun 29, 2024 9:34 am
Flannel Jesus wrote: Sat Jun 29, 2024 9:16 am


Yeah, Age, you got this one wrong. And the people of the future see it too.
'I', supposedly, got 'what', exactly, wrong here?
The idea that because it's a public forum and people can see what's going on, it makes atla look bad somehow and not you.
Oh okay.

So, 'i' have gotten 'this' wrong, as well, right?

Also, and by the way, I never ever had absolutely any 'idea' that "atla" would look so-called 'bad', just so you become aware.
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Re: A Return to the Topic of Consciousness

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Age wrote: Sat Jun 29, 2024 9:51 am
Flannel Jesus wrote: Sat Jun 29, 2024 9:39 am
Age wrote: Sat Jun 29, 2024 9:34 am

'I', supposedly, got 'what', exactly, wrong here?
The idea that because it's a public forum and people can see what's going on, it makes atla look bad somehow and not you.
Oh okay.

So, 'i' have gotten 'this' wrong, as well, right?

Also, and by the way, I never ever had absolutely any 'idea' that "atla" would look so-called 'bad', just so you become aware.
You're not fooling anybody. Everyone here speaks English better than you. "This is a public forum" has obvious implications
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Re: A Return to the Topic of Consciousness

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Age wrote: Sat Jun 29, 2024 9:50 am. .

If I recall correctly, 'they' were presented in only a couple of posts after you told me to: Quit talking about doing it and do it.

Your response to that post of mine was this

viewtopic.php?p=717954#p717954

Where instead of providing the argument, you said you already had
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Re: A Return to the Topic of Consciousness

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Flannel Jesus wrote: Sat Jun 29, 2024 9:57 am
Age wrote: Sat Jun 29, 2024 9:51 am
Flannel Jesus wrote: Sat Jun 29, 2024 9:39 am
The idea that because it's a public forum and people can see what's going on, it makes atla look bad somehow and not you.
Oh okay.

So, 'i' have gotten 'this' wrong, as well, right?

Also, and by the way, I never ever had absolutely any 'idea' that "atla" would look so-called 'bad', just so you become aware.
You're not fooling anybody.
Okay. So, 'I' have now had 'this' right, all along?
Flannel Jesus wrote: Sat Jun 29, 2024 9:57 am Everyone here speaks English better than you.
Okay, And, this is in relation to 'what', exactly?
Flannel Jesus wrote: Sat Jun 29, 2024 9:57 am "This is a public forum" has obvious implications
Okay. And, what are those, supposed, 'obvious implications', to you, exactly?
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Re: A Return to the Topic of Consciousness

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Flannel Jesus wrote: Sat Jun 29, 2024 9:59 am
Age wrote: Sat Jun 29, 2024 9:50 am. .

If I recall correctly, 'they' were presented in only a couple of posts after you told me to: Quit talking about doing it and do it.

Your response to that post of mine was this

viewtopic.php?p=717954#p717954

Where instead of providing the argument, you said you already had
Oh, so you are, 'now', not actually interested in the 'actual arguments', themselves, and instead you are just interested in regards to where they were before, right?

If yes, then if I recall correctly, they would also be in this thread, as well, in either page 1 or page 2, or both, of this thread.
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Re: A Return to the Topic of Consciousness

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Age wrote: Sat Jun 29, 2024 11:32 am
Flannel Jesus wrote: Sat Jun 29, 2024 9:59 am
Age wrote: Sat Jun 29, 2024 9:50 am. .

If I recall correctly, 'they' were presented in only a couple of posts after you told me to: Quit talking about doing it and do it.

Your response to that post of mine was this

viewtopic.php?p=717954#p717954

Where instead of providing the argument, you said you already had
Oh, so you are, 'now', not actually interested in the 'actual arguments', themselves, and instead you are just interested in regards to where they were before, right?

If yes, then if I recall correctly, they would also be in this thread, as well, in either page 1 or page 2, or both, of this thread.
I have no idea what you're talking about, and that makes sense because neither do you.
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Re: A Return to the Topic of Consciousness

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Age wrote: Sat Jun 29, 2024 11:30 am
Flannel Jesus wrote: Sat Jun 29, 2024 9:57 am Everyone here speaks English better than you.
Okay, And, this is in relation to 'what', exactly?
To you trying to gaslight people about what you meant when you did the whole "this is a public forum" bit, obviously. The fact that you couldn't tell that, even given that that was the only possible context of words, proves how little you understand English.

This forum is for English language discussions, you might be in the wrong place. Try to find a forum for whatever language you speak.
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