Apology to the forum

[Age]

'you', human beings, can keep 'trying to' say and claim that you are;

It really seems like people actually manage to say and claim that they are, for example, christians, buddhists, scientists...rather than merely 'trying to' - whatever those words end up meaning when in scare quotes.

1. yes you human beings do actually say and claim these absolute Falsehood, which of the deluded ones believe, absolutely, is true.

2. How to find out what 'those words' mean, exactly, is a Truly very simple and easy process. That is; for those who are wise enough 'to know'.

3. Here 'we' can see another prime example of just how closed or narrowed some of these adult human beings were, back when this was written. For example this one believes that what it was taught is is true is what or how all people should see things as. This one does not seem to know that what it classes as and call 'scare quotes' maybe absolutely nothing of the sort.

But perhaps I have different experiences than "age" who may be not have much face to face contact with people. In any case, not only can they, they do. They not only try, but succeed.

Yes, they 'succeed' is expressing Falsehoods, as well as 'succeed' in believing those Falsehoods to be true.

As this one and others, in the days when this was being written, proved irrefutably True.

[Age]

'you', human beings, can keep 'trying to' say and claim that you are;

I think "age" has a lot of gall coming to Gary Childress' thread and being his usual pedantic self.

Once in communication with Gary, you just assumed he fit your negative judgments of humans, did not manage to actually notice the individual you were writing to often blamed himself and not others. You said things like this to him....

See how, back then, to these people it was always 'them' who are bad and do wrong, and it was never 'them' who were bad or did wrong.

LOL 'you said things 'like this' to him ...'.

I have never ever said any thing 'like this', to "gary childress".

Unless, of course, you want to inform the readers here of where and when, exactly, I have said things 'like this', to "gary childress".

Could this one have a lot of gall coming to this thread to and being 'the way' that it here, now, once again?

This would be a hilariously bad read of someone, if it wasn't in fact part of a completely off in the clouds of your own ego rudeness in the context of a response to GC.

This here is another prime example of and when one cannot 'fight their own battles' and will try to garnish support from others, to help in doing 'their battle/s', for them.

See the rest of this toxic post here...
viewtopic.php?p=689453&sid=9fb038daaf7f ... 41#p689453

It is simply beyond this one's conceiving that people can and are also trained to blame themselves, to consider the possibility that the person he was talking to often does this.

He has his lectures ready to fire and he found a trigger for one and aimed it at Gary, and than at us all.

How could someone who claims to know what we need to bring peace etc.,

Even in this tiny little snippet out of all of what it says and claims here it is 'alluding to' some thing, which once more, might absolutely be totally Wrong and False.

know so little about humans as to think it is always 'them' who are bad and wrong?

LOL I have never said nor claimed absolutely any thing like this at all, and, in fact, I continually say and claim the very, exact, opposite thing.

you really could do with finding some new people to get 'your feedback from', which you say you constantly get, in regards to 'your communication'.

There is not much at all, in regards to me anyway, that you get Right. In fact far more of 'your assumptions' regarding 'me' and/or 'my words' is False and Wrong, then it is Accurate and Correct.

But a lot of this is just to do with your pre-existing beliefs and prejudgments 'about me', which is what is stopping and preventing you from finding and 'seeing' what I am 'actually meaning' and/or the 'actual Truth' in 'my words' here.

This prejudging, and believing, though, was a very, very common occurrence of the adult human being, back in 'those olden' days when this was being written.

[Age]

I suppose I've been wrong about a lot of things. Once ill, always ill. That's me. I'm sorry, for the mess.

What have you been wrong about?

Apparently, everything. I used to think multiculturalism and diversity were OK. I used to think liberalism was a good approach to the world. And the list goes on...

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Gary,

FWIW you've always struck me as a good guy. Certainly a much better human being than your detractors.

Liberalism IS a good approach to the world. Multiculturalism and diversity ARE OK. Those who say otherwise do so because they have self-centered and simplistic views. Not unlike children who have yet to have gained much in the way of emotional and mental maturity.

Once more, in the days when this is being written, what we can clearly see here is the adult human being 'trying to' humiliate, ridicule, and/or blame children, for some things.

When, in fact, it is the, exact, opposite that is true.

Children do not 'have to' nor even 'need to' gain 'emotional and mental maturity'. All young children are, perfectly, emotionally and mentally 'well', and this is backed up and verified True by just 'observing, and 'listening', and 'seeing and 'hearing' them, for what 'they' Truly are. If, however, they show absolutely any sign of being 'emotionally and/or mentally 'unwell' or 'immaturity', then this is because they have 'become' 'this way' from 'emotionally and/or mentally unwell and immature adult human beings'.

And, if absolutely any adult human being wants to disagree with this in absolutely any way, then let 'us' 'look into' this and have a 'discussion' 'about this'.

Now, if a 'discussion' does take place, then what might be 'seen', almost from the outset, is the 'emotional and/or mental illness and immaturity' from that adult human being. Firstly, what will be clearly 'seen' is what they presume or 'believe' is true, which will be based upon nothing other than what they have been told, from adult human being/s. Then, what will become apparently is 'the way' they will misbehavior. Which will be not much less like how all of the other adult human beings misbehaved, in the days when this was being written, is what, exactly, led up to and caused and created all of the disagreements, bickering, arguing, fighting, and even to all of those many, many wars and killing of not just the 'warring' adults but also of the countless many, many completely innocent children and babies of all ages. Who, did absolutely nothing Wrong at all. The only thing they, essentially, did do was just 'be born' into this, obviously, 'Wrong world', again by mostly the ones who caused and created every Wrong doing in 'this world', that is; adult human beings.

Children not 'emotionally nor mentally immature'. Only you adult human beings are, which can be, clearly, seen by 'the way', and by just 'how much', you end up bickering, fighting, and killing each other, including killing and/or destruction of completely innocent human beings, other animals, and even your one and only home itself.

The only thing that is 'emotionally and mentally immature' are adult human beings. Children are never 'emotionally nor mentally immature, unless, of course, they have been raised by and/or affected by you 'emotionally and mentally unwell' adult human beings. Which, obviously, all are here, in the days when this is being written.

Although, and just as obvious, most will never ever 'see' this. As those ones 'believe' that they are, laughingly, not 'unwell' or 'immature' at all here.

Also, and by the way, it is those like "gary childress" who 'know' that they have some sort of 'mental and/or emotional illness' who are, actually, the ones who are more 'mature' and/or more 'well', as though also 'know' that there are some things that 'need' addressing, and thus 'need' improvement on as well. As for all of the other adult human beings, they are, literally, 'stuck' in their own made up False, Wrong, Inaccurate, and Incorrect 'beliefs' and 'assumptions'.

It's disheartening to see that you've allowed them to bully you into questioning yourself like this. If anyone is "ill", your detractors are.

[Age]

What are the tenets of liberalism, in your view? Which ones are wrong, in your view?

The tents of liberalism as I understand them are liberty, fraternity, equality, toleration and just about every other charitable trait that can be had.

Good news, you're wrong once again. Liberty, fraternity, equality, toleration are indeed good, but in moderation, within reasonable constraints. The line must always be drawn.

So, to "atla" anyway, these things are so-called 'good', as long as there is one, or some thing, that has 'power', 'control', 'limits', and 'enforces' those 'self-made' 'limits/constraints' over you 'others'.

Is this right "atla"?

Or, did 'you' have something else 'in mind' here?

But what is happening nowadays in the world is just madness.

I agree, and which absolutely all of, was, obviously, caused and created by you adult human beings, alone.

[Atla]

But what is happening nowadays in the world is just madness.

I agree, and which absolutely all of, was, obviously, caused and created by you adult human beings, alone.

Age contributes more to the madness of the world than the average adult.

[ThinkOfOne]

What are the tenets of liberalism, in your view? Which ones are wrong, in your view?

The tents of liberalism as I understand them are liberty, fraternity, equality, toleration and just about every other charitable trait that can be had.

Good news, you're wrong once again. Liberty, fraternity, equality, toleration are indeed good, but in moderation, within reasonable constraints. The line must always be drawn. But what is happening nowadays in the world is just madness.

But what is happening nowadays in the world is just madness.

What do you have in mind when you say "madness"?

[Atla]

The tents of liberalism as I understand them are liberty, fraternity, equality, toleration and just about every other charitable trait that can be had.

Good news, you're wrong once again. Liberty, fraternity, equality, toleration are indeed good, but in moderation, within reasonable constraints. The line must always be drawn. But what is happening nowadays in the world is just madness.

But what is happening nowadays in the world is just madness.

What do you have in mind when you say "madness"?

I don't even know where to begin to answer that. Can this be answered in a post shorter than 20 pages?

The continuous destruction of most values has pushed us way beyond the optimal degree of liberalism. Societies are degrading, not functioning optimally, mental health is degrading, narcissism is rampant, entitlement is rampant. People who have standards find it difficult to be happy anymore. Shallowness is rewarded. Societes are overcomplicated with multiple cultures mixed together and also there's animosity towards the other cultures within the society.

[Age]

But what is happening nowadays in the world is just madness.

I agree, and which absolutely all of, was, obviously, caused and created by you adult human beings, alone.

Age contributes more to the madness of the world than the average adult.

Once again, 'I' am to be 'looked at', 'focused upon', and be 'blamed more'.

[Age]

Good news, you're wrong once again. Liberty, fraternity, equality, toleration are indeed good, but in moderation, within reasonable constraints. The line must always be drawn. But what is happening nowadays in the world is just madness.

But what is happening nowadays in the world is just madness.

What do you have in mind when you say "madness"?

I don't even know where to begin to answer that. Can this be answered in a post shorter than 20 pages?

The continuous destruction of most values

'Most values', like 'what ones', exactly?

And, why are 'you' 'continuously destructing' most values?

Or, is only others who do this, but you do not?

has pushed us way beyond the optimal degree of liberalism.

And, what is, supposedly, the 'optimal degree of liberalism', to you, exactly?

Societies are degrading, not functioning optimally, mental health is degrading, narcissism is rampant, entitlement is rampant.

But, in some societies, even in the days when this is being written, they are not degrading, at all, and none of these other things that you mention here happen nor occur in 'those societies' at all.

People who have standards find it difficult to be happy anymore.

So, are 'you', "atla" not as happy 'now' as you once were?

Could this be a sign of 'mental decline'?

Shallowness is rewarded.

Well, if this is what you adult human beings want, in those societies, then this is what you will get, and give and do.

Societes are overcomplicated

But, not at all in 'those societies' in which none of the above occur/ed.

Absolute simplicity exists in True and Right societies.

with multiple cultures mixed together

you sound here like you do not like the idea of some cultures mixing with other cultures "atla".

and also there's animosity towards the other cultures within the society.

This can be clearly seen and observed, even by and through just some of 'the words' written, just above here.

[Iwannaplato]

I agree, and which absolutely all of, was, obviously, caused and created by you adult human beings, alone.

Age contributes more to the madness of the world than the average adult.

Once again, 'I' am to be 'looked at', 'focused upon', and be 'blamed more'.

Once more this one doesn't consider with any openness the patterns people are noting in him. It is always other people's problems, given his sense of what he is and represents, speaking, as he thinks he is, from the one true mind.

[Age]

Age contributes more to the madness of the world than the average adult.

Once again, 'I' am to be 'looked at', 'focused upon', and be 'blamed more'.

Once more this one doesn't consider with any openness the patterns people are noting in him.

Just maybe, this one has never considered that just maybe I actually have been and are considering with absolute OPENNESS, 'the patterns' people are noting in regards to 'me', without ever actually considering "itself" that 'I' speak and write in the particulars ways and patterns that 'I' do, so that 'you' human beings will 'note things down for me here, which I will be able to use and show 'later on', for very 'specific reasons'.

Plus, just maybe this one has not been considering, with OPENNESS, that there could actually be other things 'at work' and 'at play' here.

See, these human beings can spend their whole lifetime 'looking at' and 'noting' 'others', without ever having realized that the 'very thing' that I have wanted to point out and show, and prove, here is that while human beings, in the past, continually 'looked at', and talked about/noted, others they were continually missing what was actually happening and occurring directly in front of them. That is; they kept missing the actual Truth of things, which was, literally, laying directly before and in front of them.

It is always other people's problems, given his sense of what he is and represents, speaking, as he thinks he is, from the one true mind.

Once again, this one has missed absolutely every thing I have actually said in regards to this, and so just keeps believing its own, already, existing presumptions and beliefs 'about me', and 'about' what I have been saying and expressing here.

This one, continually, not just says what is blatantly False and Wrong in regards to what I say, write, and claim, but says and claims the very exact opposite things of what I have actually said, written, and claimed here.

[Iwannaplato]

Just maybe, this one has never considered that just maybe I actually have been and are considering with absolute OPENNESS, 'the patterns' people are noting in regards to 'me', without ever actually considering "itself" that 'I' speak and write in the particulars ways and patterns that 'I' do, so that 'you' human beings will 'note things down for me here, which I will be able to use and show 'later on', for very 'specific reasons'.

I have considered that you are using your interactions here in the way an experimenter relates to test subjects, whom the experimenter look at as lower than him.

WHY do 'you' KEEP 'TRYING', SO HARD, to bring 'Me' DOWN to the human being LEVEL, and PERSPECTIVE, OF 'things' here?

You've said enough things about how we are not necessarily the target audience and your views of humans to make your attitude clear and the point of you interactions somewhat clear.

Plus, just maybe this one has not been considering, with OPENNESS, that there could actually be other things 'at work' and 'at play' here.

I have, but not in your system of belief, I would guess.

See, these human beings can spend their whole lifetime 'looking at' and 'noting' 'others', without ever having realized that the 'very thing' that I have wanted to point out and show, and prove, here is that while human beings, in the past, continually 'looked at', and talked about/noted, others they were continually missing what was actually happening and occurring directly in front of them. That is; they kept missing the actual Truth of things, which was, literally, laying directly before and in front of them.

my goodness you've made this belief of yours abundantly clear for a long, long time.

But among those who pay attention to you at all, without dismissing you as crazy, crazy-making, not worth a glance, have all had very similar reactions to you. It's what we notice I was referring to.

Often entities find part of what is true and think it is all of what is true. Then they rush into guruhood, assuming that anyone who disagrees cannot see the piece they found and often, as you do, lecture or imply things they think are beyond the ken of the people, because the dynamic of not being a mere, lower human being and relating to other humans from above is so appealing. These 'spiritual leaders' cannot actually feel the dynamic they are engaging in, often feeling misunderstood, as they are 'so loving or connected to the oneness' or whatever their particular jargon clothes their assumption with.

Once again, this one has missed absolutely every thing I have actually said in regards to this, and so just keeps believing its own, already, existing presumptions and beliefs 'about me', and 'about' what I have been saying and expressing here.

Well, of course, you disagree.

This one, continually, not just says what is blatantly False and Wrong in regards to what I say, write, and claim, but says and claims the very exact opposite things of what I have actually said, written, and claimed here.

Seriously, I understand that you don't get much of this. Of course, you haven't been saying what I am saying or there'd be no point in saying it myself. I could just note: Oh, look, Age seems to be getting some self-insight. Great.

You managed to not read an individual and the source of his issues and just aimed one of your lectures with all your assumptions in it, as if he really needed to hear that people always blame others. You begin with some people. Then more to always.

If you quote someone and respond with 'some people do X' this is somehow relevant to you. But then you went on to confirm your judgments of humans, aimed this at Gary C and missed and seem to continue to miss that many people blame themselves, even for things like having been sexually abused.

You claim to want to help children and I would guess you do. But how you missed that children often blame themselves and then grow up to be adults who do this is rather amazing.

[Age]

Just maybe, this one has never considered that just maybe I actually have been and are considering with absolute OPENNESS, 'the patterns' people are noting in regards to 'me', without ever actually considering "itself" that 'I' speak and write in the particulars ways and patterns that 'I' do, so that 'you' human beings will 'note things down for me here, which I will be able to use and show 'later on', for very 'specific reasons'.

I have considered that you are using your interactions here in the way an experimenter relates to test subjects, whom the experimenter look at as lower than him.

Okay.

Here 'we' have a great example from 'this one' 'test subject' about how 'the subjects' under the governments/kingdoms, in the days when this was being written, would 'look at' and 'see' things, from a very closed or narrowed perspective of things.

WHY do 'you' KEEP 'TRYING', SO HARD, to bring 'Me' DOWN to the human being LEVEL, and PERSPECTIVE, OF 'things' here?

You've said enough things about how we are not necessarily the target audience and your views of humans to make your attitude clear and the point of you interactions somewhat clear.

Okay.

If you think that you have 'seen' things 'clear enough', 'so far', and 'already', then carry on 'viewing things', from that already obtained and gained 'perspective' 'of things'.

Plus, just maybe this one has not been considering, with OPENNESS, that there could actually be other things 'at work' and 'at play' here.

I have, but not in your system of belief, I would guess.

See here, once again, this one has been told, specifically, that another does not even own some thing, but it will just 'not believe' this, so from the 'belief-system' within 'that body', this one is not able to, nor even 'allowed' to 'look at' and 'see' things in any other perspective. Even no matter how Wrong and False its own actual perspective and belief really is.

See, these human beings can spend their whole lifetime 'looking at' and 'noting' 'others', without ever having realized that the 'very thing' that I have wanted to point out and show, and prove, here is that while human beings, in the past, continually 'looked at', and talked about/noted, others they were continually missing what was actually happening and occurring directly in front of them. That is; they kept missing the actual Truth of things, which was, literally, laying directly before and in front of them.

my goodness you've made this belief of yours abundantly clear for a long, long time.

And, what is the actual 'belief' that you 'believe', absolutely, that I have, exactly?

But among those who pay attention to you at all, without dismissing you as crazy, crazy-making, not worth a glance, have all had very similar reactions to you. It's what we notice I was referring to.

Yes. And, what you human beings here 'keep noticing' is what I want 'you' to 'keep expressing', and to 'keep believing' is true.

See, the more that you keep believing things, and keep expressing them here, the more that this helps in my final goal here.

Often entities find part of what is true and think it is all of what is true.

Are these 'entities' any of you adult human beings?

Then they rush into guruhood, assuming that anyone who disagrees cannot see the piece they found and often, as you do, lecture or imply things they think are beyond the ken of the people, because the dynamic of not being a mere, lower human being and relating to other humans from above is so appealing.

Okay. And, just to be clear, are you here referring to what you human beings do?

These 'spiritual leaders' cannot actually feel the dynamic they are engaging in, often feeling misunderstood, as they are 'so loving or connected to the oneness' or whatever their particular jargon clothes their assumption with.

Again, 'you' are 'talking about' and 'referring to' 'you', human beings, right?

Once again, this one has missed absolutely every thing I have actually said in regards to this, and so just keeps believing its own, already, existing presumptions and beliefs 'about me', and 'about' what I have been saying and expressing here.

Well, of course, you disagree.

'Of course', 'I', supposedly, disagree to 'what', exactly, here?

I just said you are missing things here, and have missed, absolutely, every thing I have actually said in regards to that.

What do you presume or believe I am disagreeing with, exactly?

This one, continually, not just says what is blatantly False and Wrong in regards to what I say, write, and claim, but says and claims the very exact opposite things of what I have actually said, written, and claimed here.

Seriously, I understand that you don't get much of this. Of course, you haven't been saying what I am saying or there'd be no point in saying it myself. I could just note: Oh, look, Age seems to be getting some self-insight. Great.

This one missed, again whole and absolutely, exactly, what I was talking about and referring to.

This one claimed I do the very exact opposite of what I actually do do.

[ThinkOfOne]

Good news, you're wrong once again. Liberty, fraternity, equality, toleration are indeed good, but in moderation, within reasonable constraints. The line must always be drawn. But what is happening nowadays in the world is just madness.

But what is happening nowadays in the world is just madness.

What do you have in mind when you say "madness"?

I don't even know where to begin to answer that. Can this be answered in a post shorter than 20 pages?

The continuous destruction of most values has pushed us way beyond the optimal degree of liberalism. Societies are degrading, not functioning optimally, mental health is degrading, narcissism is rampant, entitlement is rampant. People who have standards find it difficult to be happy anymore. Shallowness is rewarded. Societes are overcomplicated with multiple cultures mixed together and also there's animosity towards the other cultures within the society.

This is still too vague to be able to understand what you have in mind. Can you cite a couple of specific examples of each of your main points? Seems like that would be really helpful.

[Atla]

But what is happening nowadays in the world is just madness.

What do you have in mind when you say "madness"?

I don't even know where to begin to answer that. Can this be answered in a post shorter than 20 pages?

The continuous destruction of most values has pushed us way beyond the optimal degree of liberalism. Societies are degrading, not functioning optimally, mental health is degrading, narcissism is rampant, entitlement is rampant. People who have standards find it difficult to be happy anymore. Shallowness is rewarded. Societes are overcomplicated with multiple cultures mixed together and also there's animosity towards the other cultures within the society.

This is still too vague to be able to understand what you have in mind. Can you cite a couple of specific examples of each of your main points? Seems like that would be really helpful.

Yet you could tell what Gary was talking about, and tell him that he was mistaken, even though he was even vaguer.