Will God Save Us from Ourselves?

[promethean75]

"or endure with patience what cannot be changed"

Ah but it could be changed, and it was. Nice try tho, Calvin. Telling people they are predestined to shovel shit twelve hours a day and sleep on a flea infested hay mattress while the king lives in a castle on the hill so they better accept it, only works some of the time, silly.

"What Marx wanted was that -- aggitated, angry, hostile, unhappy people -- good revolutionaries, easy converts to his purposes."

Right. None of those people were utterly miserable until they heard the name Marx.

"All they can do is gripe, scream, pout, bully and destroy...but they can't build, create, design, establish, perpetuate or sustain anything"

Right again. That's all the soviets ever did; gripe, scream, complain and build nothing. And our current day 'wokies' are just like them. So much so that when i see a gay transsexual in a dress smashing the windows of a department store, I'm like 'yup, that's a marxist alright. I betchu he's in the red army too.

As an aside, i have a question. How does it feel when u are so irreparably mistaken about what say and think that the person replying to u can only be sarcastic. That can't be a good feelin, bro.

Oh u got the opioid interpretation wrong too. Marx meant the people were being put to sleep by religion and kept ignorant of the truth; that there is no god and they're all being taken for a ride.

[Immanuel Can]

And that's why God gave us the instinct to hunt, and ride motor bikes.

Heck yeah, brother.

I was quite obsessed with motor bikes between the ages of 16 and 17, but after an unpleasant incident I've never been near one since.

I rode enduro, and I rode trials. I never lost the love of it.

[Immanuel Can]

"or endure with patience what cannot be changed"
Ah but it could be changed,

Some things can be changed, and I never said some couldn't. But some can't.

You can't change your height, your sex, your basic intelligence, your potential athleticism...and you also can't change things that are beyond the power of an individual, such as the price of oil, the weather in Boston, the depth of the ocean...

And whether or not you, Prom, can bend all of society to serve your will, and all of economics to serve a dysfunctional theory, as Marx hoped...well, how's that working out for you?

"What Marx wanted was that -- aggitated, angry, hostile, unhappy people -- good revolutionaries, easy converts to his purposes."

Right. None of those people were utterly miserable until they heard the name Marx.

Oh, I'm sure some were...and that was even more useful for Marx to channel, though his conspiracy theory that they were being "oppressed by the bourgeoisie." But there's truth in what you say in sarcasm: you can convince a person who is only experiencing the normal vicissitudes of life that he is also "oppressed," and make him resentful, envious and vicious. And Marx certainly did that, too.

Look at the Wokies. Do they seem the happiest people, to you? Blue-haired, screamy, entitled, vicious little brats, really. But the vast majority are white, Western, predominantly-female, upper-middle-class, middle-educated, liberal children (and adult gammas). What do they have to be "oppressed" about? And yet they're full of rage and frustration. How did that happen?

"All they can do is gripe, scream, pout, bully and destroy...but they can't build, create, design, establish, perpetuate or sustain anything"

Right again. That's all the soviets ever did; gripe, scream, complain and build nothing.

Where are they now? What happened to the vaunted Soviet system? (I mean, after they killed over 24 million of their own citizens, of course.)

[Harbal]

Heck yeah, brother.

I was quite obsessed with motor bikes between the ages of 16 and 17, but after an unpleasant incident I've never been near one since.

I rode enduro, and I rode trials. I never lost the love of it.

I just rode very badly.

[Immanuel Can]

I was quite obsessed with motor bikes between the ages of 16 and 17, but after an unpleasant incident I've never been near one since.

I rode enduro, and I rode trials. I never lost the love of it.

I just rode very badly.

Ouch.

[Dubious]

Hunting is probably the oldest male activity there is...or close to it. Any man should be able to hunt. And if he can't...well, he can always wear a dress and cook the stuff other men bring in.

Did Jesus do much hunting, I wonder?

Come to think of it, apart from when they put him on that cross in his underpants, he was always wearing something that resembled a dress.

They weren't in their underpants. They were crucified completely naked; it also wasn't at some height above the crowd as usually depicted in the sublime manner of a Renaissance painting. It was usually at ground level where the hordes of wild dogs could feast on your remains if you were dead or nearly so. A Roman crucifixion was meant to be as demeaning and painful as it could possibly get. They had specialized units to do the job and many thousands got the benefit of their expertise...not just Jesus!

[promethean75]

Yeah that had to suck for the ordinary roman criminals who were executed that way. For your boy J, not even hardly... although he did put on a good show with the whole 'oh god oh god it hurts damn pops why u doin this to me' charade.

That whole sham made a mockery out of human suffering. Thank goodness the guy was just a crackpot and not a god. Still those who put the bible stories together should have thought that part through a little more and written something that wasn't so obviously full of contradictions and nonsense.

[Dubious]

Yeah that had to suck for the ordinary roman criminals who were executed that way. For your boy J, not even hardly... although he did put on a good show with the whole 'oh god oh god it hurts damn pops why u doin this to me' charade.

That whole sham made a mockery out of human suffering. Thank goodness the guy was just a crackpot and not a god. Still those who put the bible stories together should have thought that part through a little more and written something that wasn't so obviously full of contradictions and nonsense.

Well, you see, he had to die for our sins since the time of Adam & Eve, who were the progenitors of that bad habit. Not being a Roman citizen, he was crucified like all the others who couldn't claim citizenship. If, like Paul, you were a citizen you got beheaded instead which proves it's always good to be a citizen to enjoy the benefits of citizenship!

But, isn't it amazing that Jesus as the son of god had to die for our sins without the least suspicion we were going to keep on sinning anyway, the only difference being, we were getting better at it.

[promethean75]

"Well, you see, he had to die for our sins since the time of Adam & Eve"

Wait a minute wait a minute. Are u sayin that god created adam and eve with the capacity to sin, got angry when they did sin, turned himself into a mortal man, came to erf, let the romans crucify em, pretended like he suffered on the cross when they did so we would feel grateful that the god who made us sinners was sacrificing himself for us (even tho that's impossible becuz he's immortal), and then turned back into god and went to heaven?

Bro who does that?

[Dubious]

Are u sayin that god created adam and eve with the capacity to sin, got angry when they did sin...

As god, he must have known they were going to sin, so I have no idea why he didn't get mad sooner, that is, before they actually sinned.

...turned himself into a mortal man, came to erf, let the romans crucify em, pretended like he suffered on the cross when they did so we would feel grateful that the god who made us sinners was sacrificing himself for us (even tho that's impossible becuz he's immortal), and then turned back into god and went to heaven? ...

Simplified, but mostly right. When Jesus ascended, he left instructions on how to get there yourself...so if you know what's good for you...! As for me, I was always my own worst enemy!

Bro who does that?

The Father who loves you but will nevertheless send you to hell if you don't believe all the grade A bullshit.

Don't know if you've seen this...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tp0UNcjzl8

[promethean75]

Oh yeah that one's a classic.

I'm tryna find a quote that summarizes christianity that i saw years ago but can't find now. It was funny as hell. Something like 'a cosmic jewish zombie who is his own father guarding a tree with a flaming sword something something a talking snake something something'.

I absolutely cannot find it anywhere.

[Dubious]

If you ever do find it, I wouldn't mind getting notice!

[promethean75]

Found it, Dubs.

"A cosmic Jewish zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree."

[promethean75]

There's another variation of this with 'a flaming sword' becuz I explicitly remember that part. Still, funny enough and point taken.

[Dubious]

Found it, Dubs.

"A cosmic Jewish zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree."

Thanks! That sounds like a reasonable summary of everything that went wrong later on!

It comes across like a first attempt at writing an imaginative horror story by H.P. Lovecraft, though not a very good one, before replacing it with the truly fantastic Cthulhu myths.