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Re: Teach Your Children Well

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Walker wrote: Wed Jun 26, 2024 9:40 pm
Age wrote: What is 'unconsciously, or instinctively known', is where the good, True, and Right knowledge is.
Age wrote: 'Evil' does not necessarily active goodness, and conversely, 'goodness does not necessarily activate 'evil', at all.
Anything that happens, happens because of necessity.
Okay, if you say so.

So, why are 'these words' here, which 'you' and 'I' have 'put here', 'necessary to and/or for', exactly?

'I' 'know' what the 'inevitable' outcome will be, because of 'these words'. 'I' am just wondering if 'you' also 'know', as well.

Why are 'you', 'necessarily', put 'these words' here, for all to be able to 'look at' and 'see'?

What is the 'necessity' here, exactly?
Walker wrote: Wed Jun 26, 2024 9:40 pm When good happens, it had to happen because of causes.
When evil happens, it had to happen because of causes.
Well, obviously, every 'effect' is b cause of a 'cause'. But, so why?

Just because a, perceived, 'good thing' is done, this in and of itself, does not, and I will repeat 'does not', 'necessarily mean that a 'bad thing' will 'be done' nor will be 'activated'.

As 'I' have already informed 'you', a 'good thing' done could 'beget' another 'good thing', and thus not so-called 'activate' a 'bad thing' at all.

Walker wrote: Wed Jun 26, 2024 9:40 pm The first quote states that knowledge of goodness is inherent.
Okay.
Walker wrote: Wed Jun 26, 2024 9:40 pm The second quote states what does not cause good or evil actions.
Okay.
Walker wrote: Wed Jun 26, 2024 9:40 pm The question is, what does cause inherent good to transform from inherency, into action?
Well this is one of the so-called 'age old questions', right?

How do 'invisible thoughts' control 'visible bodies'? Or, as you may be asking here, 'What causes 'inherent, invisible, knowing' to 'transform' into 'visible body' action, reaction, behavior, or misbehavior?

And, to partly explain how to answer 'these' properly, Correct, Accurately, and sufficiently you first 'need' to also be able to distinguish between what are 'actions/reactions' from what are 'behaviors/misbehavior, and also 'know' where from and how these different things come about, exactly.
Walker wrote: Wed Jun 26, 2024 9:40 pm In other words, what activates this inherent goodness from the internal to the external for all to see, marvel, and admire?
Again, 'How, exactly, 'the invisible' is controlling or has control over 'the visible' 'i' have yet learned, fully, to be able to explain, fully.
Walker wrote: Wed Jun 26, 2024 9:40 pm (Don't get too hung up on the side-rail of saying that marveling, admiring, and witnessing do not exist because such things are just relative.)
Wow, this is one 'out-there' assumption to have that 'another' is 'doing this'.

What 'I' am getting what you might call 'hung up' on here, is that previously you were stating that, 'evil' (or wrong) activates 'goodness'.

Now, you may have 'changed thinking' here, and thus do not believe that 'this' is true at all anymore. Which, if you do, think it would be great to be made aware of this.

Then I would 'now' 'know' if you want to concentrate on 'How the invisible controls the visible', as well as, 'How wrong activates 'goodness'?' Or, if just want to concentrate on the former only and alone here, 'now'.
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Re: Teach Your Children Well

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Harbal wrote: Wed Jun 26, 2024 9:56 pm
Walker wrote: Wed Jun 26, 2024 9:40 pm
Age wrote: What is 'unconsciously, or instinctively known', is where the good, True, and Right knowledge is.
Age wrote: 'Evil' does not necessarily active goodness, and conversely, 'goodness does not necessarily activate 'evil', at all.
Anything that happens, happens because of necessity.
When good happens, it had to happen because of causes.
When evil happens, it had to happen because of causes.

The first quote states that knowledge of goodness is inherent.
The second quote states what does not cause good or evil actions.

The question is, what does cause inherent good to transform from inherency, into action?
The transformation of inherent good into action can be understood through several interconnected factors that motivate and facilitate the transition from potential to actuality.

Individuals need to recognize their inherent good, values, and potential. This self-awareness often arises through introspection, education, and personal growth.

Understanding the needs, suffering, and perspectives of others can prompt the desire to act on inherent goodness.

Actions often stem from internal desires, such as the need for fulfillment, meaning, or the satisfaction of helping others.
Goals and Aspirations: Having clear goals or a sense of purpose can direct inherent good towards specific actions.

Seeing others act on their inherent good can inspire and motivate individuals to do the same.
Cultural and Societal Values: Societal norms and cultural values can either encourage or discourage the expression of inherent goodness.
Very well said here "harbal".

And I will add to 'this' that 'inherent good' comes from being a 'physical body and being', oneself, and from 'having empathy' or from 'having the ability to empathize', one is 'able to know' how to 'treat all physical bodies and beings' properly, and Correctly. And, as well as to how to 'not mistreat' all 'physical bodies and beings', as well.

Also, this 'inherent good' or 'instinctively knowing', which is built within the absolute 'bottom' of the 'dna' of 'physicality', itself, is what is actually 'guiding' and 'instructs' human beings to what is 'Right/good', and, 'Wrong/bad', in Life.

These 'guiding instructions' certainly do not come from some male gendered and bearded older human being, living up in the clouds somewhere, like some human beings actually believe is true, (if you can believe that there are, still, some human beings who believe this). Anyway, this 'instinctual knowing of 'good' and 'bad' is deep within all is what "harbal" is explaining to "walker" here of how the 'transformation' of the 'internal knowledge' is 'put into action', or more correctly of how the 'eternal internal knowledge' of 'Right' and Wrong', or 'good' and 'bad' is transformed into 'behavior' or 'misbehavior'.

The 'story' of how the 'wiser' One from up 'high' 'knows' what is Right and Wrong, in Life, is just in reference to how the internal 'knowing' is absolutely Accurate and Correct, whereas the learned 'thinking' is 'lower down' in accuracy and correctness. And, how the 'knowing' is Objective, which is just 'what is' relative to absolutely every one.

Older 'fairy tales', like the bible, were written, metaphorically, to express and pass on 'moral Truths'. Just like how all 'older past' generations to 'tell' 'stories' to pass on the 'lores' in 'those times'. 'Folk lores' were 'orally passed on stories', from the 'older folks' to the 'younger folks', and told through 'oral traditions' to 'inform' or to 'tell' 'a story'. The bible is one of the earlier written 'stories', 'fairy tale', or 'lesson', which was just being expressed in 'the ways' done in the past, that is; is 'in story like, or metaphorical, language'. To keep the 'younger readers/listeners' more interested. And, as a lot of 'stories' of 'that time' and well, well before, they were told with a 'moral', 'behind the story', intention.

The 'older bearded human being' is just a 'dramatization' or, literally, an 'illustration' of just 'the wise, or wiser, one'. Why the 'wiser one' is a 'man' is just because the writers/tellers of 'the bible story', which is just a longer 'parable' to express a 'moral lesson'. is because the bible was written by the 'men' of 'that day', and the 'men', in the days when the bible is being written 'believed' that 'only men' were the strong, intelligent, and wise ones, only. So, 'those men' 'believed' that God must be also, and that False and Wrong misinterpretation has been passed on down the generations, again where even in the days when this is being written some, still, 'believe' and absolutely, that that God is some kind of a male gendered (human) being, living 'over' you human beings. The references to God being 'up high', or again 'up above', is just in reference the the invisible part of 'thinking', and of 'knowing' specifically.

There are countless other examples I could provide which all 'fit in together, perfectly', to provide One True 'crystal clear picture' and 'illustration' of all-there-is.

Harbal wrote: Wed Jun 26, 2024 9:56 pm Access to necessary resources, such as time, money, and tools, can enable individuals to act on their good intentions.
'Money' is not, never has been, and never will be a 'necessary resource' at all.
Harbal wrote: Wed Jun 26, 2024 9:56 pm Support Systems: Having a supportive network, such as family, friends, or community, can provide the encouragement and assistance needed to transform good intentions into actions.
And, to 'continue' those 'good behaviors', only, forwards.
Harbal wrote: Wed Jun 26, 2024 9:56 pm Life events, crises, or significant experiences can act as catalysts, prompting individuals to act on their inherent goodness.
Challenges and Needs: Encountering situations that require help or intervention can motivate people to act.


Strong ethical and moral beliefs can drive individuals to align their actions with their inherent good.
Conscience: An internal sense of right and wrong often compels individuals to take action when they perceive an opportunity to do good.


Learning new skills and gaining knowledge can empower individuals to take action.
Personal Experience: Life experiences, including successes and failures, can shape one’s ability to act on inherent goodness.


Emotional connections and empathy towards others’ suffering can motivate action.

A strong passion for a cause or belief can drive individuals to transform their inherent good into tangible actions.
In essence, the transformation of inherent good into action is a dynamic process influenced by internal motivations, external conditions, opportunities, and personal development. It often requires a combination of awareness, motivation, resources, support, and sometimes a triggering event to move from potential to action.

That's all I can think of. 🤔
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Re: Teach Your Children Well

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Age wrote: Thu Jun 27, 2024 2:36 am
Harbal wrote: Wed Jun 26, 2024 9:56 pm
Walker wrote: Wed Jun 26, 2024 9:40 pm

Anything that happens, happens because of necessity.
When good happens, it had to happen because of causes.
When evil happens, it had to happen because of causes.

The first quote states that knowledge of goodness is inherent.
The second quote states what does not cause good or evil actions.

The question is, what does cause inherent good to transform from inherency, into action?
The transformation of inherent good into action can be understood through several interconnected factors that motivate and facilitate the transition from potential to actuality.

Individuals need to recognize their inherent good, values, and potential. This self-awareness often arises through introspection, education, and personal growth.

Understanding the needs, suffering, and perspectives of others can prompt the desire to act on inherent goodness.

Actions often stem from internal desires, such as the need for fulfillment, meaning, or the satisfaction of helping others.
Goals and Aspirations: Having clear goals or a sense of purpose can direct inherent good towards specific actions.

Seeing others act on their inherent good can inspire and motivate individuals to do the same.
Cultural and Societal Values: Societal norms and cultural values can either encourage or discourage the expression of inherent goodness.
Very well said here "harbal".
Thanks, I'll pass the compliment on to ChatGPT. 🙂
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Age wrote: Thu Jun 27, 2024 2:36 amVery well said here "harbal".
Harbal wrote: Thu Jun 27, 2024 7:18 am Thanks, I'll pass the compliment on to ChatGPT. 🙂
Notice how you both, you 'Harbal' and 'Age' are praising, recognising, remembering, your own innate knowing.

ChatGPT is your own innate knowing, that is why you approve of it, because it is aligning and resonating with your own personal values and beliefs. And is why you did not hesitate to re-post it here on the internet of philosophy now forum. The human brain is a biological computer, while the mechanical computer ChatGPT is a reflective representation of your own biological computer, resending information back onto itself, information that has always existed. 8)


The infinite well of knowing springs forth from within itself, from spring to spring - it's all the same one 'I' expressed through the many, in many different forms of being. All just the one love action dreaming difference where there is none❣️

As for the children.

''Everyone knows how to raise children except the people who have them'' < That's a metaphysical quote Harbal. 8)
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Fairy wrote: Thu Jun 27, 2024 8:12 am
''Everyone knows how to raise children except the people who have them'' < That's a metaphysical quote Harbal. 8)
Very true. 🙂
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Harbal wrote: Thu Jun 27, 2024 8:57 am
Fairy wrote: Thu Jun 27, 2024 8:12 am
''Everyone knows how to raise children except the people who have them'' < That's a metaphysical quote Harbal. 8)
Very true. 🙂
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Harbal wrote: Thu Jun 27, 2024 8:57 am
Fairy wrote: Thu Jun 27, 2024 8:12 am
''Everyone knows how to raise children except the people who have them'' < That's a metaphysical quote Harbal. 8)
Very true. 🙂
Unapplied knowledge has the same effect as no knowledge.
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Walker wrote: Thu Jun 27, 2024 9:09 am
Harbal wrote: Thu Jun 27, 2024 8:57 am
Fairy wrote: Thu Jun 27, 2024 8:12 am
''Everyone knows how to raise children except the people who have them'' < That's a metaphysical quote Harbal. 8)
Very true. 🙂
Unapplied knowledge has the same effect as no knowledge.
Do you have any children, Walker?
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Harbal wrote: Thu Jun 27, 2024 9:15 am
Walker wrote: Thu Jun 27, 2024 9:09 am
Harbal wrote: Thu Jun 27, 2024 8:57 am

Very true. 🙂
Unapplied knowledge has the same effect as no knowledge.
Do you have any children, Walker?
Lots of children and grandchildren, all brilliant, good looking, and accomplished. Folks often marvel.
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Fairy wrote: Thu Jun 27, 2024 8:12 am
Age wrote: Thu Jun 27, 2024 2:36 amVery well said here "harbal".
Harbal wrote: Thu Jun 27, 2024 7:18 am Thanks, I'll pass the compliment on to ChatGPT. 🙂
Notice how you both, you 'Harbal' and 'Age' are praising, recognising, remembering, your own innate knowing.
I did not see "harbal" 'praising' here.

And, of course, within human bodies, within 'the thoughts', 'recognizing' and 'remembering' exist. However, I would never call 'praising', 'recognizing', nor 'remembering' one's own 'innate knowing' at all. After all 'remembering' and 'recognizing' can be very, very fallible, to say the least. And, as for 'praising', well to me anyway, this is not about 'innate knowing' at all, but is, instead, about 'acknowledging' some thing, which, by the way, might or might not be 'worthy' of being 'praised'. And, what was seen or felt within one of 'being worthy of praise' might not be seen nor felt at all within another one.

Fairy wrote: Thu Jun 27, 2024 8:12 am ChatGPT is your own innate knowing, that is why you approve of it, because it is aligning and resonating with your own personal values and beliefs.
Which 'chatgpt' aligns with 'who's', supposed, 'own innate knowing' here?

And, are there as many different 'chatgpt's' as there are human beings, as obviously every different human being has their 'own innate knowledge'.
Fairy wrote: Thu Jun 27, 2024 8:12 am And is why you did not hesitate to re-post it here on the internet of philosophy now forum. The human brain is a biological computer, while the mechanical computer ChatGPT is a reflective representation of your own biological computer, resending information back onto itself, information that has always existed. 8)
Out of curiosity, has False and/or Wrong information always existed, as well?
Fairy wrote: Thu Jun 27, 2024 8:12 am The infinite well of knowing springs forth from within itself, from spring to spring - it's all the same one 'I' expressed through the many, in many different forms of being. All just the one love action dreaming difference where there is none❣️

As for the children.

''Everyone knows how to raise children except the people who have them'' < That's a metaphysical quote Harbal. 8)
What, exactly, makes 'that quote' so-called 'metaphysical', exactly?
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Fairy wrote: Thu Jun 27, 2024 8:12 am ''Everyone knows how to raise children except the people who have them'' < That's a metaphysical quote Harbal. 8)
That quote is an Incorrect quote.

If the ones who have children did not know how to 'raise' children, then there would not be a human species.
There is, still, a human species, in the days when this is being written, even millions of years later.
Therefore, human beings who have children actually do know how to 'raise' children. (Again, 'raising children' is just another 'instinctively known' thing.)
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Walker wrote: Thu Jun 27, 2024 9:20 am
Harbal wrote: Thu Jun 27, 2024 9:15 am
Walker wrote: Thu Jun 27, 2024 9:09 am
Unapplied knowledge has the same effect as no knowledge.
Do you have any children, Walker?
Lots of children and grandchildren, all brilliant, good looking, and accomplished. Folks often marvel.
Could you come across 'more arrogant' here, "walker"?

How many is 'lots', exactly, and what is the word 'lots' here relative to, exactly?

What happens if just one of these children/grandchildren were 'not brilliant', 'not good looking', and/or 'not accomplished'?

Would this mean that 'they' have failed, or that 'you' have failed, or some thing else?

What is 'brilliant', 'good looking', and 'accomplished' in relation to, exactly?

And, "folks", supposedly, 'marvel' at 'what', exactly?
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Age wrote: Thu Jun 27, 2024 9:39 am
Fairy wrote: Thu Jun 27, 2024 8:12 am ''Everyone knows how to raise children except the people who have them'' < That's a metaphysical quote Harbal. 8)
That quote is an Incorrect quote.

If the ones who have children did not know how to 'raise' children, then there would not be a human species.
There is, still, a human species, in the days when this is being written, even millions of years later.
Therefore, human beings who have children actually do know how to 'raise' children. (Again, 'raising children' is just another 'instinctively known' thing.)
I think the quote is meant to be ironic. It points to how people who do not have children of their own often think that they know better how to raise them than people who actually have experience of raising children.
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Age wrote: Thu Jun 27, 2024 9:43 am
No brag, just fact.
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Harbal wrote: Thu Jun 27, 2024 9:57 am
Age wrote: Thu Jun 27, 2024 9:39 am
Fairy wrote: Thu Jun 27, 2024 8:12 am ''Everyone knows how to raise children except the people who have them'' < That's a metaphysical quote Harbal. 8)
That quote is an Incorrect quote.

If the ones who have children did not know how to 'raise' children, then there would not be a human species.
There is, still, a human species, in the days when this is being written, even millions of years later.
Therefore, human beings who have children actually do know how to 'raise' children. (Again, 'raising children' is just another 'instinctively known' thing.)
I think the quote is meant to be ironic.
Okay. But, I think it was written by one who 'judges' those with children, noticed how those without child can have a tendency to criticize and/or advice those with child, or those with child who have felt 'completely lacking of knowing what to do', sometimes. But then again, that quote could have came from someone who could have meant a multiple of other things, as well.
Harbal wrote: Thu Jun 27, 2024 9:57 am It points to how people who do not have children of their own often think that they know better how to raise them than people who actually have experience of raising children.
Is 'this' the only thing that that quote points to, to you?
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