Is wokism declining?

[Gary Childress]

We can see him. He's "composed" of nothing. The man's senile, and has been in severe decline since before the election. He's a shambling wreck.

He doesn't make inflammatory statements on Twitter like "grab them by the pussy"

My understanding is that that allegation wasn't on Twitter, but in private conversation. As crude as it is, it's less crude than digitally raping women. https://www.vox.com/2020/5/7/21248713/t ... accusation.

"cops need to give criminals an extra beating" while people are protesting police brutality.

I'm unfamiliar with that incident. Got a citation? Mind you, with what most of the protesters have been doing, the comment wouldn't necessarily be out of line: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQCxRbfLIWg&rco=1

Fair enough. I can't find the comment regarding police giving people they apprehend an extra thump on the head. Perhaps I misheard the instance where he said for them not to be "too nice".

[Immanuel Can]

He doesn't make inflammatory statements on Twitter like "grab them by the pussy"

My understanding is that that allegation wasn't on Twitter, but in private conversation. As crude as it is, it's less crude than digitally raping women. https://www.vox.com/2020/5/7/21248713/t ... accusation.

"cops need to give criminals an extra beating" while people are protesting police brutality.

I'm unfamiliar with that incident. Got a citation? Mind you, with what most of the protesters have been doing, the comment wouldn't necessarily be out of line: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQCxRbfLIWg&rco=1

Fair enough. I can't find the comment regarding police giving people they apprehend an extra thump on the head. Perhaps I misheard the instance where he said for them not to be "too nice".

Well, given what some of the rioters were doing, I think being "not too nice" is within the purview of law enforcement officers, don't you?

[Gary Childress]

My understanding is that that allegation wasn't on Twitter, but in private conversation. As crude as it is, it's less crude than digitally raping women. https://www.vox.com/2020/5/7/21248713/t ... accusation. I'm unfamiliar with that incident. Got a citation? Mind you, with what most of the protesters have been doing, the comment wouldn't necessarily be out of line: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQCxRbfLIWg&rco=1

Fair enough. I can't find the comment regarding police giving people they apprehend an extra thump on the head. Perhaps I misheard the instance where he said for them not to be "too nice".

Well, given what some of the rioters were doing, I think being "not too nice" is within the purview of law enforcement officers, don't you?

I don't know. Maybe I've bought into a false narrative. I suppose it's possible.

[Immanuel Can]

Fair enough. I can't find the comment regarding police giving people they apprehend an extra thump on the head. Perhaps I misheard the instance where he said for them not to be "too nice".

Well, given what some of the rioters were doing, I think being "not too nice" is within the purview of law enforcement officers, don't you?

I don't know. Maybe I've bought into a false narrative. I suppose it's possible.

There's a lot of bad information out there, Gary. That's the world we live in. It's very hard for folks to know what to believe. So there are two extreme reactions I've seen people adopt: one is extreme cynicism -- believe nothing, criticize everything, never commit to any facts at all. That's very self-protective, but not very useful; we all need information, so being gratutitously skeptical turns out to be paralyzing. The other extreme reaction is complete credulity -- believe all the major media, even when what they say one day and the next are the complete contradiction of one another, and even when one's own eyes show they're lying. That's what people do when they're scared; they know that the media or their government is lying to them, but they choose to pretend it's not, so that they can retain the comfortable pretext of living in a trustworthy information environment, feeling protected by the fact that many others are similarly credulous.

I don't recommend either. How about trusting the things we see with our own eyes, or verify with our own reason, or use logic to figure out, retaining due humility about the possibility we may still be fooled? It's more work, but it's the only sensible option, I think.

[Gary Childress]

Well, given what some of the rioters were doing, I think being "not too nice" is within the purview of law enforcement officers, don't you?

I don't know. Maybe I've bought into a false narrative. I suppose it's possible.

There's a lot of bad information out there, Gary. That's the world we live in. It's very hard for folks to know what to believe. So there are two extreme reactions I've seen people adopt: one is extreme cynicism -- believe nothing, criticize everything, never commit to any facts at all. That's very self-protective, but not very useful; we all need information, so being gratutitously skeptical turns out to be paralyzing. The other extreme reaction is complete credulity -- believe all the major media, even when what they say one day and the next are the complete contradiction of one another, and even when one's own eyes show they're lying. That's what people do when they're scared; they know that the media or their government is lying to them, but they choose to pretend it's not, so that they can retain the comfortable pretext of living in a trustworthy information environment, feeling protected by the fact that many others are similarly credulous.

I don't recommend either. How about trusting the things we see with our own eyes, or verify with our own reason, or use logic to figure out, retaining due humility about the possibility we may still be fooled? It's more work, but it's the only sensible option, I think.

I suppose that's a reasonable appraisal. Maybe the media has been lying to me or pitching a false narrative. I don't adopt cynicism, I've had the rug pulled out from under me more than once in life. First time was when I was in grade school and all the kids made fun of me one day on the playground at break. Second time was when I was hospitalized with my first psychosis. Now it seems that all I've learned in life was little more than propaganda. No. I'm not cynical. I'm not overly trusting either. I pretty much give up. Let the world go to those who care about it. I don't anymore. I'm tired of being a loser. Such is life I guess.

[Immanuel Can]

I pretty much give up. Let the world go to those who care about it. I don't anymore. I'm tired of being a loser. Such is life I guess.

We don't have that option, Gary. And that's because the world goes on. Tomorrow, there will be another sunrise...and we'll all have to make choices about what we think, say and do, and we'll need some information in order to do that well. We can't just "pull the plug" or check out, because life goes on, and we go on, and things have to go on.

Hamlet got this, in his most famous soliloquy: "To be, or not to be; that is the question..." He ponders first whether it's worthwhile to live; but pauses when he is smitten by "...the fear of something after death / That untravelled country from whose [bosom] no man returns..." "That," he says, "is the respect that makes calamity of so long life..." When we realize that there's an eternity coming, and our disposition in it to be arranged here, we realize we'd better stay in the game, and learn to play it much better than we have been doing, maybe.

One doesn't pack-in life and give up, because one is responsible for it to God.

[Gary Childress]

I pretty much give up. Let the world go to those who care about it. I don't anymore. I'm tired of being a loser. Such is life I guess.

We don't have that option, Gary. And that's because the world goes on. Tomorrow, there will be another sunrise...and we'll all have to make choices about what we think, say and do, and we'll need some information in order to do that well. We can't just "pull the plug" or check out, because life goes on, and we go on, and things have to go on.

Hamlet got this, in his most famous soliloquy: "To be, or not to be; that is the question..." He ponders first whether it's worthwhile to live; but pauses when he is smitten by "...the fear of something after death / That untravelled country from whose [bosom] no man returns..." "That," he says, "is the respect that makes calamity of so long life..." When we realize that there's an eternity coming, and our disposition in it to be arranged here, we realize we'd better stay in the game, and learn to play it much better than we have been doing, maybe.

One doesn't pack-in life and give up, because one is responsible for it to God.

I don't have kids and it's too late for me to start. My genes are out of the pool. The "natalists" are welcome to the world as far as I'm concerned.

[Immanuel Can]

I don't have kids...

You have yourself. You have life. That means responsibility. You don't have charge of your own circumstances; but what you do have is charge of what you do with those circumstances. So it is, for us all.

[PeteOlcott]

And you've claimed that Biden had more votes than a candidate with his limited popular appeal could possibly have gained without extensive fraud. Hence you believe there was fraud; there must have been, notwithstanding the complete absence of any hard evidence.

Most people like me voted against Trump and didn't care who that was.