WOKE and proud of it....

[Gary Childress]

That everything they said about COVID, practically, was a lie. (Or, a gross, inept, incompetent, absurd, wasteful, harmful mess by idiots who had everything wrong...take your pick of which narrative you prefer.)

I don't doubt there was incompetence, but there is some degree of that in everything governments do.

Lots. And waste. But the Wuhan Lab was known to our government. And the fact that it was coming from China was known to them, and to their operatives, since they caused it. The fact that the "vaccines" were untested, they knew. That the "vaccines" did not prevent spread was known to them, as well. They gratuitiously simultaneous suppressed all alternate treatments. They, and the media, also knew that the masks would not protect people, that they were not going to lock down for a mere 14 days, that children were not at risk, and that they were inflating the numbers of dead by including not just people who died OF COVID, but all people who died WITH COVID, even if their real cause of death was something other than COVID. They knew a whole lot they did not tell us, and they outright lied about how much certainty they had on all accounts.

You might like to imagine they were looking out for us, and doing the best they could; but the number of lies they told, and their reluctance to retract them when caught, surely tells you that more was going on than "the best science we have." There was "spin" and manipulation going on, on an international scale. And people like the WEF were rubbing their hands together and drooling over how this crisis might give them the opportunity to seize power from ordinary folks, and engineer their new "plans for Nigel." (See the WEF's own publication, COVID 19: The Great Reset).

As for politicians at the national level, and as for their minions in the mass media, without seven having to speculate on what they were really doing (and there are good speculations on that, given their own declarations), we know that at the least they lied over, and over, and over again, and that whatever they were doing was not admitting what they did not know, or providing the public with information as it came in. They made a whole lot of stuff up.

Do you believe there was some nefarious purpose behind the Covid response? And if so, what was the nefarious intent? Might it have been worse had there been no social distancing and vaccinations?

[Harbal]

That everything they said about COVID, practically, was a lie. (Or, a gross, inept, incompetent, absurd, wasteful, harmful mess by idiots who had everything wrong...take your pick of which narrative you prefer.)

I don't doubt there was incompetence, but there is some degree of that in everything governments do.

Lots. And waste. But the Wuhan Lab was known to our government. And the fact that it was coming from China was known to them, and to their operatives, since they caused it. The fact that the "vaccines" were untested, they knew. That the "vaccines" did not prevent spread was known to them, as well. They gratuitiously simultaneous suppressed all alternate treatments. They, and the media, also knew that the masks would not protect people, that they were not going to lock down for a mere 14 days, that children were not at risk, and that they were inflating the numbers of dead by including not just people who died OF COVID, but all people who died WITH COVID, even if their real cause of death was something other than COVID. They knew a whole lot they did not tell us, and they outright lied about how much certainty they had on all accounts.

All governments lie about a lot of things; they have to, and none of the above is particularly alarming.

As for politicians at the national level, and as for their minions in the mass media, without seven having to speculate on what they were really doing (and there are good speculations on that, given their own declarations), we know that at the least they lied over, and over, and over again, and that whatever they were doing was not admitting what they did not know, or providing the public with information as it came in. They made a whole lot of stuff up.

Pretty much business as usual, then, I'm guessing.

I'm sure the masks we were told to wear did next to nothing, but the social distancing was just plain common sense, and the prioritisation of vaccine development is exactly the response we would expect. I really don't know what your game is in trying to promote the idea that there was something dark and sinister going on, but I think most people don't give a toss about it now, anyway.

[Immanuel Can]

Do you believe there was some nefarious purpose behind the Covid response?

Absolutely. But you have to, too. With so much lying, there had to be something political at stake. But what it was is less important now. What's important is simple: the media lies. They lie about important things. They lie to serve particular political agendas. That's the important lesson, going forward.

[Gary Childress]

Do you believe there was some nefarious purpose behind the Covid response?

Absolutely. But you have to, too. With so much lying, there had to be something political at stake. But what it was is less important now. What's important is simple: the media lies. They lie about important things. They lie to serve particular political agendas. That's the important lesson, going forward.

Of course. The media was very cooperative during the Vietnam atrocity and also behind the invasion of Iraq. That's what most people don't want because it resulted in untold numbers of deaths. However, if the media cooperates with the CDC and other offices that are responding to a pandemic, then that seems like the sort of response we might want, to save lives.

[henry quirk]

AJ,

I've got the PDF of Rose's book...

my quotes are wonky today...had to drop yours to make this post work

[Immanuel Can]

All governments lie about a lot of things; they have to,...

In a totalitarians system? Absolutely. But Democracy depends on people having the right information.

I'm sure the masks we were told to wear did next to nothing, but the social distancing was just plain common sense, and the prioritisation of vaccine development is exactly the response we would expect.

Not at all. When was the last time the government foisted a jab that was not a genuine vaccine on an entire population? What happened to "my body, my right"? And what about all the personal freedoms and options we surrendered in the panic of bad information? How about all the children who have been injected with something that the government knew they never needed to have?

Maybe the I really don't know what your game is in trying to promote the idea that there was something dark and sinister going on

It's a game called, "Telling people the truth." Politicians and media are unfamilar with that game, it seems.

but I think most people don't give a toss about it now, anyway.

Maybe. Maybe not. But those who are not thinking about it are going to be ready dupes for the powers-that-be and their media pals. They already have been.

[henry quirk]

The Habitrail suits you.

[Gary Childress]

When was the last time the government foisted a jab that was not a genuine vaccine on an entire population?

In what way is it not a "genuine vaccine"?

Apparently it works pretty well.

[Gary Childress]

The Habitrail suits you.

LOL! Do you think it's possible that you live in a delusion?

[Alexis Jacobi]

Those are the Christian choices: to be a Christian is to accept being the property of God. There is no other way to understand Christianity. To accept Christianity is to become a slave, nothing more.

This description is one of the main planks used to undermine the Christian concept and metaphysics. It has elements of truth because, and for example, Catholicism operates through guilt-slinging and wielding shame and the sense of letting God down. These become tools for social manipulation though the object may be a decent one (a general practice of morality).

Yet when one understands the reasoning that supports structured theology, one can then give one’s assent. A slave cannot do that.

To be a Christian must inevitably involve understanding oneself as linked with God or in a limited degree part-and-parcel of God, but you are missing a primary part: one chooses to participate with God when the concept of participation in a supernatural body is understood. It involves moral assent. And it is in that concept, or its realness, that the realness opens up and expands into higher dimensions.

You seem to fail to grasp what the metaphysical picture offers. You choose to define it as a prison and as restrictive limitation — and certainly in this sense you are entirely ignorant of what those higher and upper regions are. (I suggest reading metaphysical poetry).

However, it cannot be denied that some people, some groups and sects, and some cults, turn religiosity into a restrictive life-modality. And often the children of it find it necessary to break out.

To say “there is no other way to understand Christianity” is flatly wrong though.

[Immanuel Can]

When was the last time the government foisted a jab that was not a genuine vaccine on an entire population?

In what way is it not a "genuine vaccine"?

Look up the definition of vaccine, and you'll see. Try Oxford.

That's not an important point to me here, though, and I'm not going to be distracted on it. The point is, they lied. They lied a lot. They lied to the whole public, repeatedly, egregiously, and to the public's harm. We know that now.

[henry quirk]

Do you believe there was some nefarious purpose behind the Covid response?

Absolutely.

And if so, what was the nefarious intent?

One: to test the gullibility of populations.

Two: to kill as many as possible (thru intubations, isolations, and vaccines that aren't vaccines).

Three: to secure deeper control over economies.

Might it have been worse had there been no social distancing and vaccinations?

If -- to combat a strong cold -- we had done nuthin' but urge the old and the weak to hunker down (leaving everyone else to simply exercise the normal cautions of a flu season) beer virus woulda been a blip we'd have forgotten about.

and, no, I'm not gonna back up my assertions...did that already...the threads still exist in-forum...hunt them down (or not...i'm well past the point of tryin' to convince anyone of anything...I leave the sales game to AJ & Mannie)

[Gary Childress]

When was the last time the government foisted a jab that was not a genuine vaccine on an entire population?

In what way is it not a "genuine vaccine"?

Look up the definition of vaccine, and you'll see. Try Oxford.

That's not an important point to me here, though, and I'm not going to be distracted on it. The point is, they lied. They lied a lot. They lied to the whole public, repeatedly, egregiously, and to the public's harm. We know that now.

Vaccine:

Any preparation of immunogenic material suitable for the stimulation of active immunity in animals without inducing disease. Vaccines may be based on dead or attenuated microorganisms; altered toxins (toxoids); or viruses.

Is that not what the Covid Vaccine was?

[henry quirk]

The Habitrail suits you.

LOL! Do you think it's possible that you live in a delusion?

Of course. What about you?

[Immanuel Can]

Is that not what the Covid Vaccine was?

It's not the topic I want to talk about, Gary...it's just one illustration of the multitudinous lies of the mass media and our government. That point established, I have no further interest in hashing that out. But I could.