The Fundamental Model of Reality

[Age]

What a Truly False thing to say and claim.

But, you would much prefer that, from your perspective, that you "dontaskme" about 'my claim' here, correct?

But the real open and one true self arises as both the impersonal and the personal

Why do you presume or believe that the 'Self' 'arises'.

The 'Self' is everywhere HERE-NOW, forever.

It does not 'arise', nor does It dissipate. It is in every thing, every where.

The real one true wide as wide can be open self is beyond the duality of the personal and impersonal duality. The nondual self is aware of both the personal and impersonal self, as being just changing temporal illusory characters within it's own dreaming.
The real self does not need to ask it's own dream characters anything about their personal truth claims, because it is already ominpresent and self-knowing.

Thus why It 'knows' which of your claims here are False and Wrong, and which ones are not.

The one real self is already as wide open as infinity can stretch, which is boundless and limitless, and knows that any doing and knowing and self-imposed claiming happening, is literally happening all by itself, to itself, and for itself only.

I, thy Self, also 'know' where and when you are Inaccurate and Incorrect, every time.

[Age]

Once more, this one assumes some thing, and then believes that its own assumption is true. All along while never realizing that what it is assuming and is believing is true, is actually totally False and Wrong.

You seem to have made an assumption about my post.

Well I have not.

I already have the proof, which backs up and supports my claim here, absolutely.

What do you think I meant and why do you believe it is False and Wrong?

But I cannot answer the later part of your question here because I do not believe these sorts of things. Once again, for you, once one has the proof', there is no need for 'belief' and 'believing'.

As for what do I think you meant, then you will have to inform 'us' of what words you are referring to, exactly.

[Fairy]

Why do you presume or believe that the 'Self' 'arises'.

Because it's a word, it's a concept known to itself which is not a concept.

Both self and no self are identical.

[Fairy]

What a Truly False thing to say and claim.

But, you would much prefer that, from your perspective, that you "dontaskme" about 'my claim' here, correct?

But the real open and one true self arises as both the impersonal and the personal

Why do you presume or believe that the 'Self' 'arises'.

The 'Self' is everywhere HERE-NOW, forever.

It does not 'arise', nor does It dissipate. It is in every thing, every where.

The real one true wide as wide can be open self is beyond the duality of the personal and impersonal duality. The nondual self is aware of both the personal and impersonal self, as being just changing temporal illusory characters within it's own dreaming.
The real self does not need to ask it's own dream characters anything about their personal truth claims, because it is already ominpresent and self-knowing.

Thus why It 'knows' which of your claims here are False and Wrong, and which ones are not.

The one real self is already as wide open as infinity can stretch, which is boundless and limitless, and knows that any doing and knowing and self-imposed claiming happening, is literally happening all by itself, to itself, and for itself only.

I, thy Self, also 'know' where and when you are Inaccurate and Incorrect, every time.

Why are you quoting Harbal for Fairy posts?

[Atla]

To claim you are a nondualist is dualism. It's back to mind game territory.

No, it's how I get information across on a philosophy forum.

The information that is appearing and being read on the screen of awareness, is simply that, it's an appearance in the form of information, appearing within awareness itself. You are that, you cannot know that twice, you are already known once, to yourself. When one thing is known, everything is known. Including the appearance of form that shows up to itself as being written ''I am a nondualist''

Form isn't making these formed appearances happen. They are simply appearance of no form Awareness. Which take the shape of form.

And while form appears and disappears, that which apparently takes the shape of form, never experiences it's own appearance or disappearance as a form, or object.

So what is experiencing the experience of these appearances? the answer is you are. You are beyond doubt and error, irrefutable and cannot be negated, this you which is simply everything, cannot experience your own appearance or disappearance because you are unlimited boundless wide open wide awake nondual aliveness in every moment infinitely forever. Here in the timeless now, that never moves. Only the mind moves through time and space, not you.

You have some major absolute-relative confusion going on my friend. Are you DAM?

[Fairy]

To claim you are a nondualist is dualism. It's back to mind game territory.

No, it's how I get information across on a philosophy forum.

The information that is appearing and being read on the screen of awareness, is simply that, it's an appearance in the form of information, appearing within awareness itself. You are that, you cannot know that twice, you are already known once, to yourself. When one thing is known, everything is known. Including the appearance of form that shows up to itself as being written ''I am a nondualist''

Form isn't making these formed appearances happen. They are simply appearance of no form Awareness. Which take the shape of form.

And while form appears and disappears, that which apparently takes the shape of form, never experiences it's own appearance or disappearance as a form, or object.

So what is experiencing the experience of these appearances? the answer is you are. You are beyond doubt and error, irrefutable and cannot be negated, this you which is simply everything, cannot experience your own appearance or disappearance because you are unlimited boundless wide open wide awake nondual aliveness in every moment infinitely forever. Here in the timeless now, that never moves. Only the mind moves through time and space, not you.

You have some major absolute-relative confusion going on my friend. Are you DAM?

I'm aware of the concept of DAM, but I'm not the concept I know, that I do know.

Concepts are the looked upon, they are known as form, but have never actually been seen. Work that one out if you dare.

That which appears to be confused, is never confused.

[Harbal]

There are, obviously, many individual human bodies. And, just as obviously all of those different human bodies have many different individual and invisible thoughts, within.

It is the invisible individual 'thoughts', and 'emotions', within human bodies that is what the words 'individual psyche' means and is referring to, exactly?

Well I consider the mind to be part of the psyche,

Fair enough, 'you' are absolutely free to consider absolutely any thing at all.

Thanks, that will probably come in useful later.

I already 'know' what you believe is true. But, that you cannot back up and support your beliefs at all here, is not helping 'me' to want to follow 'you' in your beliefs here.

I would prefer you not to follow me, so that's okay.

[Fairy]

You have some major absolute-relative confusion going on my friend.

How so, just because you say so, okay. Each to their own, but that is none of my business of course.

[Atla]

The information that is appearing and being read on the screen of awareness, is simply that, it's an appearance in the form of information, appearing within awareness itself. You are that, you cannot know that twice, you are already known once, to yourself. When one thing is known, everything is known. Including the appearance of form that shows up to itself as being written ''I am a nondualist''

Form isn't making these formed appearances happen. They are simply appearance of no form Awareness. Which take the shape of form.

And while form appears and disappears, that which apparently takes the shape of form, never experiences it's own appearance or disappearance as a form, or object.

So what is experiencing the experience of these appearances? the answer is you are. You are beyond doubt and error, irrefutable and cannot be negated, this you which is simply everything, cannot experience your own appearance or disappearance because you are unlimited boundless wide open wide awake nondual aliveness in every moment infinitely forever. Here in the timeless now, that never moves. Only the mind moves through time and space, not you.

You have some major absolute-relative confusion going on my friend. Are you DAM?

I'm aware of the concept of DAM, but I'm not the concept I know, that I do know.

Concepts are the looked upon, they are known as form, but have never actually been seen. Work that one out if you dare.

That which appears to be confused, is never confused.

Well, DAM has never been the sharpest knife in the drawer.

[Fairy]

Well, DAM has never been the sharpest knife in the drawer.

Fortunately knifes are dead dumb and blind, so it wouldn't matter anyway.

[Age]

Why do you presume or believe that the 'Self' 'arises'.

Because it's a word, it's a concept known to itself which is not a concept.

Both self and no self are identical.

In other words, you have absolutely no clue nor idea, at all.

[Age]

But the real open and one true self arises as both the impersonal and the personal

Why do you presume or believe that the 'Self' 'arises'.

The 'Self' is everywhere HERE-NOW, forever.

It does not 'arise', nor does It dissipate. It is in every thing, every where.

The real one true wide as wide can be open self is beyond the duality of the personal and impersonal duality. The nondual self is aware of both the personal and impersonal self, as being just changing temporal illusory characters within it's own dreaming.
The real self does not need to ask it's own dream characters anything about their personal truth claims, because it is already ominpresent and self-knowing.

Thus why It 'knows' which of your claims here are False and Wrong, and which ones are not.

The one real self is already as wide open as infinity can stretch, which is boundless and limitless, and knows that any doing and knowing and self-imposed claiming happening, is literally happening all by itself, to itself, and for itself only.

I, thy Self, also 'know' where and when you are Inaccurate and Incorrect, every time.

Why are you quoting Harbal for Fairy posts?

I could say something like;
Because it's a word, it's a concept known to itself which is not a concept.

Both self and no self are identical.

But I will not, and instead I will say;
Because I was not concentrating and forget to change the saved cut and paste that I was previously using. I apologize for doing wrong.

[Age]

Well I consider the mind to be part of the psyche,

Fair enough, 'you' are absolutely free to consider absolutely any thing at all.

Thanks, that will probably come in useful later.

I already 'know' what you believe is true. But, that you cannot back up and support your beliefs at all here, is not helping 'me' to want to follow 'you' in your beliefs here.

I would prefer you not to follow me, so that's okay.

Okay. And obviously if one, "themself", does not have any thing that could back up and support what they persistently want to believe is true, it is much better that they prefer others not follow them in their irrational thinking and believing.

[Iwannaplato]

Fair enough, 'you' are absolutely free to consider absolutely any thing at all.

Thanks, that will probably come in useful later.

I already 'know' what you believe is true. But, that you cannot back up and support your beliefs at all here, is not helping 'me' to want to follow 'you' in your beliefs here.

I would prefer you not to follow me, so that's okay.

Okay. And obviously if one, "themself", does not have any thing that could back up and support what they persistently want to believe is true, it is much better that they prefer others not follow them in their irrational thinking and believing.

Well, it's great that you gave Harbal some information that might apply to other people and worded it such that you don't directly say that this applies to him. That way you avoided looking stupid.

And it's a nice project, this giving people psychological information about some subgroup of humanity.

Some people, like politicians, say, do this kind of thing for deniability. It's a cake and eat it too thing. They get to insult/criticize while being able, later in court or 'court' to deny what they had done.

Lovely.

[Fairy]

Why do you presume or believe that the 'Self' 'arises'.

Because it's a word, it's a concept known to itself which is not a concept.

Both self and no self are identical.

In other words, you have absolutely no clue nor idea, at all.

Correct.