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Philosophy Now wrote: Sun Jun 09, 2024 5:13 pm by Terence Green

https://philosophynow.org/issues/162/Noam_Chomsky_1928-
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Chomsky's many admirers will be sad to learn that the 95 year old suffered a stroke last year and is no longer able to make public appearances.

Noam Chomsky, 95, recovering in hospital in his wife’s native country of Brazil after stroke
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This on X :lol:

''Noam Chomsky, one of the worst people on the planet, is finally dead at 95.''



Unfortunately a bit premature though.
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Noam Chomsky lives, evidently. I saw him talk about 12 years ago. Dull speech, but he was a seminal linguist, despite rhe Piraha evidence.

Tragically, Willie Mays died. One of the greats.
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Alexiev wrote: Wed Jun 19, 2024 4:43 am Noam Chomsky lives, evidently. I saw him talk about 12 years ago. Dull speech, but he was a seminal linguist, despite rhe Piraha evidence.

Tragically, Willie Mays died. One of the greats.
Dull as ditchwater but the beloved patron saint of Jew-hating wokists everywhere. He made a lucrative career out of it.

Never been able to work out what the fuck a 'linguist' does exactly either. Not a lot from what I can gather.
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accelafine wrote: Wed Jun 19, 2024 5:04 am Dull as ditchwater but the beloved patron saint of Jew-hating wokists
Except he was critical of wokeness and cancel culture and received a lot of criticism for that. And, of course, some critics of wokeness have used Chomsky's The Manufacturing of Consent as part of their critique. Same old binary idiotic thinking on your part. A trait you share with the extremist woke culture. Everything is either all good or all bad.

And yet another post with bile but no substance.
cancellation culture. everywhere. He made a lucrative career out of it.
Of course, to you a Jewish person who is very critical of Israeli state policy is a Jew hater. A perfect woke-like attitude.

It's probably beyond the tiny, restrictive categories in your head that one can be woke and pro-Israel, for example. That now many woke people hate each other based on the Israel/Gaza situation and their reactions to it. For minds like yours there are two groups, woke and anti-woke and it's just a matter of checking off all the boxes when you hear they have one position. You'd probably be good at Whack-a-Mole, but not so much at anything else.

which of course should be no surprise given you've....
Never been able to work out what the fuck a 'linguist' does exactly either. Not a lot from what I can gather.
Given the incredibly access to information we have these days, this should embarrass you, but it seems you hold your ignorance as a badge of honor.

We can add this to the huge pile of 'I don't know much and have nothing of substance to say, but I have some bile to hurl at __________'

There are all sorts of political forums where thinking is a low priority. For some reason you were drawn to a philosophy forum.

Perhaps the lack of moderation appeals to your gall bladder.
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Iwannaplato wrote: Wed Jun 19, 2024 6:14 am
accelafine wrote: Wed Jun 19, 2024 5:04 am Dull as ditchwater but the beloved patron saint of Jew-hating wokists
Except he was critical of wokeness and cancel culture and received a lot of criticism for that. And, of course, some critics of wokeness have used Chomsky's The Manufacturing of Consent as part of their critique. Same old binary idiotic thinking on your part. A trait you share with the extremist woke culture. Everything is either all good or all bad.

And yet another post with bile but no substance.
cancellation culture. everywhere. He made a lucrative career out of it.
Of course, to you a Jewish person who is very critical of Israeli state policy is a Jew hater. A perfect woke-like attitude.

It's probably beyond the tiny, restrictive categories in your head that one can be woke and pro-Israel, for example. That now many woke people hate each other based on the Israel/Gaza situation and their reactions to it. For minds like yours there are two groups, woke and anti-woke and it's just a matter of checking off all the boxes when you hear they have one position. You'd probably be good at Whack-a-Mole, but not so much at anything else.

which of course should be no surprise given you've....
Never been able to work out what the fuck a 'linguist' does exactly either. Not a lot from what I can gather.
Given the incredibly access to information we have these days, this should embarrass you, but it seems you hold your ignorance as a badge of honor.

We can add this to the huge pile of 'I don't know much and have nothing of substance to say, but I have some bile to hurl at __________'

There are all sorts of political forums where thinking is a low priority. For some reason you were drawn to a philosophy forum.

Perhaps the lack of moderation appeals to your gall bladder.
I can say a lot with few words. You should learn from that. Instead you choose to say nothing with as many words as possible (and add in a few fake quotes for good measure).
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Alexiev wrote: Wed Jun 19, 2024 4:43 am Noam Chomsky lives, evidently. I saw him talk about 12 years ago. Dull speech, but he was a seminal linguist, despite rhe Piraha evidence.

Tragically, Willie Mays died. One of the greats.
How is it a 'tragedy' when someone dies peacefully at 93? How long do you expect humans to live for?
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accelafine wrote: Wed Jun 19, 2024 4:00 pm
Alexiev wrote: Wed Jun 19, 2024 4:43 am Noam Chomsky lives, evidently. I saw him talk about 12 years ago. Dull speech, but he was a seminal linguist, despite rhe Piraha evidence.

Tragically, Willie Mays died. One of the greats.
How is it a 'tragedy' when someone dies peacefully at 93? How long do you expect humans to live for?
" Der tod est gros," wrote Rilke. "Death is huge." Any death is tragic, because the human condition is tragic.

I grew up in Chicago, but Mays was my favorite player as a kid. I saw him play at Wrigley several times, and my brother and I would go early to watch batting practice and get autographs.

I had a baseball on the shelf of my room signed by Mays, Marichal, McCovey, and several Cubs hall of famers.

One day while playing baseball we lost the ball in the high weeds. Lest the game break up, I ran to my room and got the signed ball. We eventually lost it, too. I think Mays would have approved.
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Alexiev wrote: Wed Jun 19, 2024 5:05 pm
accelafine wrote: Wed Jun 19, 2024 4:00 pm
Alexiev wrote: Wed Jun 19, 2024 4:43 am Noam Chomsky lives, evidently. I saw him talk about 12 years ago. Dull speech, but he was a seminal linguist, despite rhe Piraha evidence.

Tragically, Willie Mays died. One of the greats.
How is it a 'tragedy' when someone dies peacefully at 93? How long do you expect humans to live for?
" Der tod est gros," wrote Rilke. "Death is huge." Any death is tragic, because the human condition is tragic.

I grew up in Chicago, but Mays was my favorite player as a kid. I saw him play at Wrigley several times, and my brother and I would go early to watch batting practice and get autographs.

I had a baseball on the shelf of my room signed by Mays, Marichal, McCovey, and several Cubs hall of famers.

One day while playing baseball we lost the ball in the high weeds. Lest the game break up, I ran to my room and got the signed ball. We eventually lost it, too. I think Mays would have approved.
I'm surprised you're not still out in that field looking for that ball.
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LuckyR wrote: Fri Jun 21, 2024 12:52 am
Alexiev wrote: Wed Jun 19, 2024 5:05 pm
accelafine wrote: Wed Jun 19, 2024 4:00 pm

How is it a 'tragedy' when someone dies peacefully at 93? How long do you expect humans to live for?
" Der tod est gros," wrote Rilke. "Death is huge." Any death is tragic, because the human condition is tragic.

I grew up in Chicago, but Mays was my favorite player as a kid. I saw him play at Wrigley several times, and my brother and I would go early to watch batting practice and get autographs.

I had a baseball on the shelf of my room signed by Mays, Marichal, McCovey, and several Cubs hall of famers.

One day while playing baseball we lost the ball in the high weeds. Lest the game break up, I ran to my room and got the signed ball. We eventually lost it, too. I think Mays would have approved.
I'm surprised you're not still out in that field looking for that ball.
I was, and am, a big sports fan. But I never cared about memorabilia. It's all about playing the game. I even object to athletes saying, "I just want a ring". I know the ring is a metaphor for the championship, but the statement seems to value the accolade instead of the achievement.

Part of the Willie Mays legend is that when he played with the New York Giants (before they moved to San Francisco) he would go two for four with a homer, make a great catch in center field and then, after the game, play stickball in the streets with a bunch of kids. Well done, Willie.
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accelafine wrote: Wed Jun 19, 2024 5:04 am
Alexiev wrote: Wed Jun 19, 2024 4:43 am Noam Chomsky lives, evidently. I saw him talk about 12 years ago. Dull speech, but he was a seminal linguist, despite rhe Piraha evidence.

Tragically, Willie Mays died. One of the greats.
Dull as ditchwater but the beloved patron saint of Jew-hating wokists everywhere. He made a lucrative career out of it.

Never been able to work out what the fuck a 'linguist' does exactly either. Not a lot from what I can gather.
Linguistics is often viewed as the one social and cultural "science" that is actually scientific. LInguists can measure quite exactly when two languages diverged, among other things. Chomsky proposed that the human brain is hard wired for a "deep structure" of language, and that, if we look "dceply", all languages have the same grammar. The Piraha are an isolated, xenophobic Amazonian tribe with a unique language that seems to contradict some of Chomsky's theories (I'm not expert enough to judge). For anyone interested, here's a great New Yorker article about this:

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2007 ... erpreter-2

Among the interesting things in the article is the notion that a religious schoold devoted to translating the Bible into every language in the world has done some of the best linguistic work in the world. Dan Everett, the linguist and anthropologist who studied the Piraha, was trained there, although he has since renounced his Christian training.
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if one understands the contradiction between leftist and anarchist, the pun about language following rules is tragic...

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