WOKE and proud of it....

[Alexis Jacobi]

Your nefarious purposes is not to seek the truth (you already know that), nor to have an intetesting discussion.
It is to pretend that you have "won" an argument because your opponent won't bother to do what you ask.

I will ask again if you would be so kind as to link to a MSM journalist, one who writes on current, topical issues (society and politics) that fall under the heading of controversial, so that we who read here can examine what you consider to be an example of exemplary journalism in our present.

I agree that there may indeed be an interesting discussion there. However it will require more effort on your part.

[Alexis Jacobi]

...the Jussie Smollett nonsense...

What are you talking about?

...the "mostly peaceful protests" coverups...

What are you talking about?

...the multitudinous COVID lies...

What are you talking about?

...the Biden laptop discovery...

What are you talking about?

...the Russia hoax...

What are you talking about?

...the alleged precipitation of the Ukraine war...

Will asks: What are you talking about?

1) Jussie Smollet, a Black actor with a TV program, staged an attack on himself by hiring two Nigerians and paying them. He asserted to the police that his assailants were White and that it was a racially-motivated attack. The MSM reported on it and fit it into the general line. The police believed, then doubted the story, and later it was proved (in court) that it was all made up. But Smollet never admitted it. In fact he has clung to his assertion.

2) The riots over that Summer were extraordinary. If a Right-leaning faction had ever done something remotely similar the National Guard would be called out. The MSM seemed to support the raging violence, underreported the deaths and destruction that resulted, and in general down-played it. There was one clip of a news presenter, with raging fires behind him, stating calmly that the protests were *mostly peaceful*. The Orwellian implication should be obvious!

3) The COVID stuff is material I assume you are enough familiar with.

4) The laptop I already went over. Apparently, there is a good deal more evidence on it that could well implicate the Biden family in criminal activity.

5) The assertion that Russia was *interfering in our elections* in a degree that had significant impact. There were numerous assertions that Russia was *hacking our democracy* and other misrepresentations/lies.

6) There is an assertion that the US provoked the Russian invasion by deliberately attempting to extend the NATO pact to Ukraine. This sort of thing -- if one reads and accepts the Left and critical sources -- is typical for the US. To create situations of conflict that then become regional wars. True, it is a standard tactic for many nations.

[henry quirk]

Al,

You said you have intimate knowledge of many reporters in the mainstream media, all of whom have exemplary journalistic ethics, none of whom cow tow to the economic interests of their employers, and all of whom report without fear or favor. I suppose -- strictly speaking -- David Grann qualifes.

But, c'mon, you know folks like Grann aren't the ones we're talkin' about.

So, again, I ask: would you please name some of these exemplars of courage (mainstreamers who don't cow tow; who, without fear or favor, report on the affairs of the day) you have personal knowledge of?


To anyone: do you have knowledge of reporters in the mainstream media who have exemplary journalistic ethics, who don't cow tow to the economic interests of their employers, and who report without fear or favor?

If so: please name them.

I, for one, would like to read good reporting instead of propaganda.

[Immanuel Can]

If I can find out easily, you can demonstrate easily. It's your case to make.

I can demonstrate once.

That's all I ask.

Check your news sources' coverage of one of the given cases.

[Will Bouwman]

Will asks: What are you talking about?

Yes I do.

1) Jussie Smollet, a Black actor with a TV program, staged an attack on himself by hiring two Nigerians and paying them. He asserted to the police that his assailants were White and that it was a racially-motivated attack. The MSM reported on it and fit it into the general line. The police believed, then doubted the story, and later it was proved (in court) that it was all made up. But Smollet never admitted it. In fact he has clung to his assertion.

Well Gus, how did the non-MSM report initially? Do the MSM also cling to Jussie Smollet's assertion?

2) The riots over that Summer were extraordinary. If a Right-leaning faction had ever done something remotely similar the National Guard would be called out. The MSM seemed to support the raging violence, underreported the deaths and destruction that resulted, and in general down-played it. There was one clip of a news presenter, with raging fires behind him, stating calmly that the protests were *mostly peaceful*. The Orwellian implication should be obvious!

What evidence do you have that the National Guard would be called out for "Right-leaning" riots? When, for instance, has that happened?

3) The COVID stuff is material I assume you are enough familiar with.

You assume incorrectly. What "COVID stuff"?

4) The laptop I already went over. Apparently, there is a good deal more evidence on it that could well implicate the Biden family in criminal activity.

Apparently, eh? Says who?

5) The assertion that Russia was *interfering in our elections* in a degree that had significant impact. There were numerous assertions that Russia was *hacking our democracy* and other misrepresentations/lies.

Do you think Russia would bother "*interfering in our elections*" to a degree that didn't have a significant impact?

6) There is an assertion that the US provoked the Russian invasion by deliberately attempting to extend the NATO pact to Ukraine. This sort of thing -- if one reads and accepts the Left and critical sources -- is typical for the US. To create situations of conflict that then become regional wars. True, it is a standard tactic for many nations.

But not, see 5, Russia? There are all sorts of assertions, any of which you are free to believe, but by doing so, you will be supporting the cause of those who wish you to believe it.

[Will Bouwman]

Check your news sources' coverage of one of the given cases.

That is not my responsibility. If you have a case, make it.

[Alexiev]

Al,

You said you have intimate knowledge of many reporters in the mainstream media, all of whom have exemplary journalistic ethics, none of whom cow tow to the economic interests of their employers, and all of whom report without fear or favor. I suppose -- strictly speaking -- David Grann qualifes.

But, c'mon, you know folks like Grann aren't the ones we're talkin' about.

So, again, I ask: would you please name some of these exemplars of courage (mainstreamers who don't cow tow; who, without fear or favor, report on the affairs of the day) you have personal knowledge of?


To anyone: do you have knowledge of reporters in the mainstream media who have exemplary journalistic ethics, who don't cow tow to the economic interests of their employers, and who report without fear or favor?

If so: please name them.

I, for one, would like to read good reporting instead of propaganda.

Hillary Borrud, Oregonian.

[FlashDangerpants]

Check your news sources' coverage of one of the given cases.

That is not my responsibility. If you have a case, make it.

He's just claimed that the story about school kids who think they are cats being given litter trays to shit in is true. His own ability to select news sources might be a little questionable.

[Alexis Jacobi]

Hillary Borrud, Oregonian.

Strictly in-state topics. Review her articles: she does not touch any particularly contentious topics, and no one of the contentious topics embroiling the nation.

[Alexis Jacobi]

You are playing games, Wilbur. So you’re on your own.

One comment: the Smollett report of a •hate crime• was (if I remember correctly) certainly reported by the so-called Left-Progressive MSM, because of its hot, racial content

It was also reported by the Right-tending MSM but with less emphasis.

But when the police investigated, and suspected that he invented the incident, and said so, the Right-tending media jumped on it, milking it for all it was worth.

The Left MSM was in a pickle. They tried to defend his story until that became impossible and thereafter reported less on that story and veered to others.

The Right (Fox etc.) went to town with it. And especially reported on Smollett’s behavior in the courtroom.

Naturally, Fox worked every ounce out of the details of the deception. See here.

[Immanuel Can]

Check your news sources' coverage of one of the given cases.

That is not my responsibility. If you have a case, make it.

It is your responsibility. It's entirely yours, in fact.

If you want to know, you will; if you don't, nothing can make you.

[Alexiev]

Hillary Borrud, Oregonian.

Strictly in-state topics. Review her articles: she does not touch any particularly contentious topics, and no one of the contentious topics embroiling the nation.

Henry politely asked me to name a non-partial political journalist with whom I am personally familiar. So I did.

I feel neither a need nor a desire to play your games.

[FlashDangerpants]

You are playing games, Wilbur. So you’re on your own.

One comment: the Smollett report of a •hate crime• was (if I remember correctly) certainly reported by the so-called Left-Progressive MSM, because of its hot, racial content

It was also reported by the Right-tending MSM but with less emphasis.

But when the police investigated, and suspected that he invented the incident, and said so, the Right-tending media jumped on it, milking it for all it was worth.

The Left MSM was in a pickle. They tried to defend his story until that became impossible and thereafter reported less on that story and veered to others.

The Right (Fox etc.) went to town with it. And especially reported on Smollett’s behavior in the courtroom.

Naturally, Fox worked every ounce out of the details of the deception. See here.

Here's how to use a simple Google search to test this theory you are promoting. First, pick one of these MSM sites, I Googled "Smollett", Rolling Stone came up as the top link, given their history of hilarious lefty journalism, I chose that site. You can repeat this test on any site you like very easily though.

Then, I ran a Google search to get a general idea of how many Smollett stories they had run. To do this, just search by site and the term you want in "quote marks" <--- even if it's for one word, quote marks make the term a mandatory search. So for this it was... site:rollingstone.com "smollett"
We get 430 results, I'm not about to validate whether each of those is a story about him, I assume most just mention him in passing.

We know that the incident in question occurred on January 29, 2019 because it has a whole wikipedia page. So we can narrow down the search using a date range. We do this within the search itself using the before: and after: tags with the date set in YYYY/MM/DD format so that neither Euros nor Americans get grumpy.

So we now are searching with site:rollingstone.com "smollett" after:2019/01/28 before:2019/02/28 to get reporting from that site in the month of the event. The results.... They ran 6 stories about him in that month, and they made no effort to cover up the fraud. The 7th story is about Smollett appearing before the same judge as R. Kelly. I won't even make you copy and paste the search term for yourself, you can just click this link
GOOGLE site:rollingstone.com "smollett" after:2019/01/28 before:2019/02/28

The best one is titled "Stephen Colbert Sums Up Jussie Smollett News: ‘What a Dick’" and you can see the video of that here. I am quite sure you consider Stephen Colbert to be a lefty of some sort.

Anyway, you now have all the links. Sadly RS is paywalled up the wazzooo. Luckily I have one more useful internet thing for you. Just go paywallreader https://paywallreader.com/ and then paste in the link, and use one of the buttons to go around the paywall you cheapskate bastard.

Here you can read the page with the Colbert video
https://web.archive.org/web/20221225183 ... me-798663/

but if you’re going to fake a white supremacist hate crime, hire two white guys, OK? This is one place where you don’t want diversity.

The evidence does not support your assertion.

[Will Bouwman]

Check your news sources' coverage of one of the given cases.

That is not my responsibility. If you have a case, make it.

He's just claimed that the story about school kids who think they are cats being given litter trays to shit in is true. His own ability to select news sources might be a little questionable.

Don't be silly, FlashDangerpants nobody could be that gullible.


Ah.

[Will Bouwman]

You are playing games, Wilbur.

No Gus, I am firmly of the opinion that you are a bloviating halfwit who is too self congratulatory to appreciate what a confirmation of Dunning-Kruger you are. You could go some way to persuading me otherwise by engaging in a conversation that at least acknowledges that neither you nor I knows whether our interpretation of whatever facts we are presented to us is The Truth. Have a look around, it is the nutcases who know The Truth. It is as Bertrand Russell said: “The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts.”