WOKE and proud of it....

[Alexiev]

….

I don’t wish to disrespect you solely for rhetorical effect, however you spoke out of your asshole; you made false statements that you were unable to back up; and you were soundly shown up.

Keep telling yourself that. If you say it often enough you may come to believe it. Nobody else will.

I enjoy your tactic of telling other people what to post and then blaming them for not complying. Good one.

[Alexis Jacobi]

Right! You are not aware of each of these. So on what basis can you dismiss them?!

True though, these are American incidents. I know American politics spreads everywhere. But what reason would you — a philosophical bookworm — to be current on American affairs?

[Alexis Jacobi]

Keep telling yourself that. If you say it often enough you may come to believe it. Nobody else will.

Ask them and then we’ll see.

[Peter Kropotkin]

There is no substance to any of those accusations

With what do you support this counter-contention? IC provided a list of various items. Can you explain one-by-one how it is they are all lacking substance?

It should be easy and quick, no?

Yes.

...the Jussie Smollett nonsense...

What are you talking about?

...the "mostly peaceful protests" coverups...

What are you talking about?

...the multitudinous COVID lies...

What are you talking about?

...the Biden laptop discovery...

What are you talking about?

...the Russia hoax...

What are you talking about?

...the alleged precipitation of the Ukraine war...

What are you talking about?

K: I can tell you.... they are idiotic right wing conspiracy theories...
for example, Biden laptop is a conspiracy theory where SON of Biden
supposedly left a laptop in a computer store... the store in question
is in Delaware..... now here comes the interesting part.... Biden lives
in LA.... why would he travel 3000 miles to get a laptop fixed and
then according, the story, he ''forgot it'' where it laid for months...the
computer owner then turned the laptop over to..... Rudy Giuliani...
where no one knew what happened to it for more months... then suddenly
the laptop appeared...with no chain of custody.... in other words, anybody
with access to the laptop, could have put anything on it... anything....
that is the Biden laptop conspiracy theory... and the rest of this stuff,
is about as strong as the Biden laptop conspiracy theory.... IC would
say something but he is a ''less'' than a reliable witness...

crap on top of crap on top of crap.... that is what IC believes in.... crap....

Kropotkin

[Alexiev]

Keep telling yourself that. If you say it often enough you may come to believe it. Nobody else will.

Ask them and then we’ll see.

You're telling me what to post again. Try something else.

[Immanuel Can]

There is no substance to any of those accusations.

Is that the case?

You can find out easily.

If I can find out easily, you can demonstrate easily. It's your case to make.

I can demonstrate once. Then you can say it doesn't count. Then I can demonstrate again. And again, you can say it doesn't count...and we can continue indefinitely. But if you find the evidence yourself, you can't say it doesn't pertain to your news sources, or it isn't relevant, or that I'm misrepresenting the facts.

I'm quite confident you're capable of that simple check for yourself, using any of the listed incidents you most care about. Or, if you prefer, you are free to persist in your belief that your major media outlets are doing unimpeachable, impartial journalism in the public interest, and comfort yourself accordingly. I have pointed you to the means to satisfy yourself on that score.

And that works for me.

[Alexis Jacobi]

Keep telling yourself that. If you say it often enough you may come to believe it. Nobody else will.

Ask them and then we’ll see.

You're telling me what to post again. Try something else.

I am challenging you to test your assertion. But in fact I am counter-asserting that you will not receive that confirmation.

I.e. you are talking out of your asshole.

Is this clear now? Or do you want to go on in the same vein?

[Will Bouwman]

If I can find out easily, you can demonstrate easily. It's your case to make.

I can demonstrate once.

That's all I ask.

[Will Bouwman]

Right! You are not aware of each of these. So on what basis can you dismiss them?!

You talking to me, Gus? I'm not dismissing anything. I'm asking for evidence and arguments. You are free to set your own standards.

[Alexis Jacobi]

Mr Kropotkin:

The laptop contained elements of primary evidence in HB’s recent conviction. FYI:

New York Times: The laptop and some of its contents played a visible role in federal prosecutors’ case against the president’s son, who was charged with lying on a firearm application in 2018 by not disclosing his drug use. A prosecutor briefly held up the laptop before the jury in Delaware, and an F.B.I. agent later testified that messages and photos on it and in personal data that Mr. Biden had saved in cloud computing servers had made his drug use clear.

[Alexiev]

Ask them and then we’ll see.

You're telling me what to post again. Try something else.

I am challenging you to test your assertion. But in fact I am counter-asserting that you will not receive that confirmation.

I.e. you are talking out of your asshole.

Is this clear now? Or do you want to go on in the same vein?

Since I already gave examples of unbiased, factual,political news stories, I won't bother repeating myself. It's not my fault my examples didn't suit your nefarious purposes.

Some day, if I have t time. I may actually bother reading your long, boring posts with their endless references to James Lindsay. Until then, "Elinor agreed to it all, for she did not think he deserved the compliment of rational opposition." Jane Austen, Sense and Sensibility

[Will Bouwman]

Mr Kropotkin:

The laptop contained elements of primary evidence in HB’s recent conviction. FYI:

New York Times: The laptop and some of its contents played a visible role in federal prosecutors’ case against the president’s son, who was charged with lying on a firearm application in 2018 by not disclosing his drug use. A prosecutor briefly held up the laptop before the jury in Delaware, and an F.B.I. agent later testified that messages and photos on it and in personal data that Mr. Biden had saved in cloud computing servers had made his drug use clear.

So Gus, I know that Hunter Biden has been convicted of crimes and will be sentenced shortly. What is your point?

[Alexis Jacobi]

It's not my fault my examples didn't suit your nefarious purposes.

What are those purposes? If you make an assertion it seems to me that you should explain yourself. Challenging you to make the effort -- it is what we do here -- is very different from commanding you. I am interested to know how you define *nefarious purposes* and what you think in my case are my nefarious purposes.

This should be quite easy, right? What holds you back?

[Alexiev]

It's not my fault my examples didn't suit your nefarious purposes.

What are those purposes? If you make an assertion it seems to me that you should explain yourself. Challenging you to make the effort -- it is what we do here -- is very different from commanding you. I am interested to know how you define *nefarious purposes* and what you think in my case are my nefarious purposes.

This should be quite easy, right? What holds you back?

You're doing it again! It's as if you are addicted. You can't stop yourself.

Your nefarious purposes is not to seek the truth (you already know that), nor to have an intetesting discussion.
It is to pretend that you have "won" sn argument because your opponent won't bother to do what you ask.

There. You roped me into answering, despite the fact that, like Elinor Dashwood, I should know better.

[Alexis Jacobi]

I know that Hunter Biden has been convicted of crimes and will be sentenced shortly. What is your point?

Kropotkin asserts that the laptop was (somehow) planted in Delaware and therefore did not belong to HB.

You have asked for *evidence* on each of the assertions raised by IC. I assume you might doubt the authenticity of that damned laptop (?)

So, I posted from the NYTs where it is stated that the laptop was an element of primary evidence in that trial and conviction. If it did not actually belong to HB his defense would have had it expelled from the evidence.

Therefore, the laptop and what is on it, is real, and is his.

In the MSM, the story was circulated that it was a laptop planted by (Russian?) agents the purpose of which was to incriminate the Biden family. One whole side of the journalism spectrum went with that (false) story, and they did it as a tactic to keep political dirt from accruing to HB and JB and the Biden family -- to influence the election on Biden's favor. It has been reported that some percentage of people did take the Russian plant assertion as honest reporting. And had they known the truth (it is asserted) might not have voted for the man.

Thus the issue is relevant and should be seen as such by all who have *integrity* and are *honest*.

I completely understand that partisan politics is the name of the game today, and that *honest journalism* is nearly impossible to come by in the MSM. But I think that we have a responsibility to attempt to discern the truth if it is at all possible that we can.