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Re: Unsure why the British people marched?

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godelian wrote: Mon Jun 10, 2024 3:27 am
accelafine wrote: Mon Jun 10, 2024 3:01 am What bullshit. Do you think anyone from the Commonwealth countries has an automatic right to live in GB? Each Govt. brings in its own immigration policies. Most Indians are Hindu anyway. Every Indian I've ever known hates muslims.
Immigration is a different matter altogether.

Citizens of the former British Ray do not necessarily have the right of abode in Britain. There are necessarily other conditions to be satisfied. However, when they do, their British citizenship is not counted merely henceforth but recognized all the way from 1613.

There are also specific rules for specific former British dependencies such as Hong Kong, for which there is also no automatic right of abode, but who are granted a substantially simplified procedure.

I have never claimed that the entire population of the commonwealth has the right of abode in Britain. This is not even possible for reasons of population control. However, the citizenship of the ones who do have the right of abode cannot be understood as subjects of the crown ex tunc but must be deemed such ab initio.
I suspect you mean 'British Raj'.[PERSONAL ABUSE DELETED]
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Re: Unsure why the British people marched?

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accelafine wrote: Mon Jun 10, 2024 3:01 am Every Indian I've ever known hates muslims.
The partition of India was in my opinion a big mistake:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partition_of_India

The partition was outlined in the Indian Independence Act 1947.[3] The change of political borders notably included the division of two provinces of British India,[a] Bengal and Punjab.[4] The majority Muslim districts in these provinces were awarded to Pakistan and the majority non-Muslim to India. Provisions for self-governing independent Pakistan and India legally came into existence at midnight on 14 and 15 August 1947 respectively.[5]

The partition caused large-scale loss of life and an unprecedented migration between the two dominions.[6] Among refugees who survived, it solidified the belief that safety lay among co-religionists. In the instance of Pakistan, it made palpable a hitherto only-imagined refuge for the Muslims of British India.[7] The migrations took place hastily and with little warning. It is thought that between 14 million and 18 million people moved, and perhaps more. Excess mortality during the period of the partition is usually estimated to have been around one million.[8] The violent nature of the partition created an atmosphere of hostility and suspicion between India and Pakistan that affects their relationship to this day.
The animosity that has existed ever since between Hindus and Muslims is the result of badly botched British policy. Lord Mountbatten was supposedly going to avoid the partition but eventually he chose the easy way out and carried out the partition anyway:
Prime Minister Attlee subsequently appointed Lord Louis Mountbatten as India's last viceroy, giving him the task to oversee British India's independence by 30 June 1948, with the instruction to avoid partition and preserve a united India, but with adaptable authority to ensure a British withdrawal with minimal setbacks. Mountbatten hoped to revive the Cabinet Mission scheme for a federal arrangement for India. But despite his initial keenness for preserving the centre, the tense communal situation caused him to conclude that partition had become necessary for a quicker transfer of power.[94][95][96][97]
Everyone involved knew that the partition was going to turn into a nightmare.
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Re: Unsure why the British people marched?

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Gary Childress wrote: Sun Jun 09, 2024 7:26 pm
Age wrote: Sun Jun 09, 2024 6:36 pm
promethean75 wrote: Sun Jun 09, 2024 4:50 pm "Quran 51:56. I did not create jinn and humans except to worship Me."

Well u tell allah tough shit becuz we ain't worshippin em. The jinn have waited many years for the one who will free them from the gods

What kind of an arrogant asshole capitalizes the 'm' like that when he writes 'me', anyway?
Do you, personally, and/or you human beings, capitalize the first letters of your name?

If yes, then why?

And, could doing so be construed as you being a king of so-called 'arrogant asshole' as well?

Or, does this label not apply to when you human beings do it?

If yes, then why
I guess if a person wrote the words: "I did not create my kids except to worship Me". Then I might either take them as being humorous or else being an unbelievable jerk. So I would say, "yes" if they were serious, and "no" if it was meant to be humorous. Maybe Allah has a sense of humor?
Also, maybe it was actually from the hands of human beings, alone, who added the capital 'm', and no one else. Obviously one cannot differentiate a capital letter from a small letter in speech alone.
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Re: Unsure why the British people marched?

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Age wrote: Mon Jun 10, 2024 7:25 am
Gary Childress wrote: Sun Jun 09, 2024 7:26 pm
Age wrote: Sun Jun 09, 2024 6:36 pm

Do you, personally, and/or you human beings, capitalize the first letters of your name?

If yes, then why?

And, could doing so be construed as you being a king of so-called 'arrogant asshole' as well?

Or, does this label not apply to when you human beings do it?

If yes, then why
I guess if a person wrote the words: "I did not create my kids except to worship Me". Then I might either take them as being humorous or else being an unbelievable jerk. So I would say, "yes" if they were serious, and "no" if it was meant to be humorous. Maybe Allah has a sense of humor?
Also, maybe it was actually from the hands of human beings, alone, who added the capital 'm', and no one else. Obviously one cannot differentiate a capital letter from a small letter in speech alone.
That's certainly possible as well.
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Re: Unsure why the British people marched?

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godelian wrote: Mon Jun 10, 2024 4:26 am
accelafine wrote: Mon Jun 10, 2024 3:01 am Every Indian I've ever known hates muslims.
The partition of India was in my opinion a big mistake:
Would Muslims in Pakistan be happier being part of India? From the sounds of it, Hindus and Muslims don't get along very well.
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Re: Unsure why the British people marched?

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Gary Childress wrote: Thu Jun 13, 2024 1:00 am
godelian wrote: Mon Jun 10, 2024 4:26 am
accelafine wrote: Mon Jun 10, 2024 3:01 am Every Indian I've ever known hates muslims.
The partition of India was in my opinion a big mistake:
Would Muslims in Pakistan be happier being part of India? From the sounds of it, Hindus and Muslims don't get along very well.
They've lived together for centuries. In fact, they still live together.. There are still 200 million Muslims left in India proper.

The last British viceroy, Lord Mountbatten, only managed to partition off 400 million by splitting up Punjab and (East) Bengal in the north.

Currently, the Hindus constitute around 70% of India proper. The rest are Muslims, Christians, and Sikhs.

In the end, Islam is a belief and not a territory.

Without the partition, the relationship between Hindus and Muslims would definitely be better. The partition has created more problems than it solved.
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Re: Unsure why the British people marched?

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godelian wrote: Thu Jun 13, 2024 1:29 am
Gary Childress wrote: Thu Jun 13, 2024 1:00 am
godelian wrote: Mon Jun 10, 2024 4:26 am
The partition of India was in my opinion a big mistake:
Would Muslims in Pakistan be happier being part of India? From the sounds of it, Hindus and Muslims don't get along very well.
They've lived together for centuries. In fact, they still live together.. There are still 200 million Muslims left in India proper.

The last British viceroy, Lord Mountbatten, only managed to partition off 400 million by splitting up Punjab and (East) Bengal in the north.

Currently, the Hindus constitute around 70% of India proper. The rest are Muslims, Christians, and Sikhs.

In the end, Islam is a belief and not a territory.

Without the partition, the relationship between Hindus and Muslims would definitely be better. The partition has created more problems than it solved.
That all sounds like it might be a pretty fair assessment. Of course, it's probably too late to do much constructive about it now other than bemoan the choices of leaders of the past.
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