WOKE and proud of it....

[Gary Childress]

Are the schools telling children to become homosexual or trans or is the focus on getting other children to accept homosexual or trans children who have historically been victims of bullying? I'm not attending schools anymore so I don't have first hand knowledge, and it was my impression that the reason for all this stuff is to reduce bullying outside the schools. However, I suppose bullying is something that is going to go on regardless, so perhaps educators should take a hands-off approach to bullying, let the children work things out for themselves. I mean, being bullied is not the end of the world. It sucks while you're going through it, but you grow up and over most of it eventually.

You can teach kids not to bully others without teaching the woke agenda.

I think it's generally believed that prejudice is bred from lack of exposure to the people you're prejudiced against, the idea being that seeing that they are human also will dispel what are believed to be myths about sinister motives in all of a particular group. I mean, they're probably thinking of Nazi propaganda against Jews prior to the Holocaust which objectified Jews as somehow "other than" everyone else. And it's my understanding that statistically, gays, trans and mentally ill tend to be victims of abuse more often than "normal" people.

As I say, public schools focus more on a diverse body of students getting along with each other than do private schools. Private schools can more or less keep the "riff raff" out if they choose. What can be done?

[phyllo]

Private schools are for rich people.

Home schooling is for people with lots of free time and an interest in teaching.

Most kids are going to go to public schools.

[Gary Childress]

Private schools are for rich people.

Home schooling is for people with lots of free time and an interest in teaching.

Most kids are going to go to public schools.

Then they may receive an education in diversity, inclusion and multi-culturalism. They might get taught Critical Race Theory as well, depending upon the State they live in. Florida, where I live, has removed CRT from the curriculum, if I understand correctly, but I believe California teaches it (for example).

[phyllo]

Private schools are for rich people.

Home schooling is for people with lots of free time and an interest in teaching.

Most kids are going to go to public schools.

Then they're probably going to receive an education in diversity and multi-culturalism. They might get taught Critical Race Theory as well, depending upon the State they live in. Florida, where I live, has removed CRT from the curriculum, if I understand correctly, but I believe California teaches it (for example).

But should they?

[Gary Childress]

Private schools are for rich people.

Home schooling is for people with lots of free time and an interest in teaching.

Most kids are going to go to public schools.

Then they're probably going to receive an education in diversity and multi-culturalism. They might get taught Critical Race Theory as well, depending upon the State they live in. Florida, where I live, has removed CRT from the curriculum, if I understand correctly, but I believe California teaches it (for example).

But should they?

Considering American History, it seems like a good idea to me. I can't speak for other countries, though.

[phyllo]

Then they're probably going to receive an education in diversity and multi-culturalism. They might get taught Critical Race Theory as well, depending upon the State they live in. Florida, where I live, has removed CRT from the curriculum, if I understand correctly, but I believe California teaches it (for example).

But should they?

Considering American History, it seems like a good idea to me. I can't speak for other countries, though.

There's not enough diversity and multiculturalism in the US?

The place is full of immigrants.

What would this education involve?

[Gary Childress]

But should they?

Considering American History, it seems like a good idea to me. I can't speak for other countries, though.

There's not enough diversity and multiculturalism in the US?

The place is full of immigrants.

What would this education involve?

There is education about diversity and multiculturalism BECAUSE we are full of immigrants. It sounds like you might have the cart pulling the horse, as they say.

[Alexiev]

What is the right course?

The right course us to refuse to consider any variation in traditional, normative thinking about gender identity and sexual preference as "poison".

And Alexiev here is my first response: you are not aware in a full (and responsible) sense about what is really going on and why.

That statement gives you away. You locate •the problem• in those who have a problem. However, I feel certain that were you to become more thoroughly aware of what the real problem is, you would share the concern.

And here is the kicker: You will not become informed. Therefore you cannot in truth understand the defensible concern of those who have informed themselves.

This is a nonsensical response. Of course you are right that I have not studied this issue carefully (I read newspapers and magazines.... that's about it). But even the most thorough scholar can always become "more thoroughly aware". So your critique of my comment is meaningless, because it could equally apply to anyone's comment on the subject.

[phyllo]

Considering American History, it seems like a good idea to me. I can't speak for other countries, though.

There's not enough diversity and multiculturalism in the US?

The place is full of immigrants.

What would this education involve?

There is education about diversity and multiculturalism BECAUSE we are full of immigrants. It sounds like you might have the cart pulling the horse, as they say.

That's why I ask what this education involves.

If people are already surrounded by immigrants then what do you need to teach them about diversity? What do they need to learn?

[Gary Childress]

What do they need to learn?

To respect each other.

[Alexis Jacobi]

Considering American History, it seems like a good idea to me. I can't speak for other countries, though.

Here I think we would be able to distinguish Gary’s •operative predicates•. I am not judging or condemning though. Just trying to understand.

The story, the “narrative” goes as we all know: America, founded on theft, crime, exploitation and slavery (i.e. “American history”) must be addressed, rectified, corrected, amended.

Therefore (goes the narrative which is then an intoning of, an enunciation of an ideological stance) they must be subjected to an education which includes a certain gamut of the basic elements of progressive ideology. In that school the child is exposed to the *real truth* which is really to say not the false narrative of former history.

Progressivism is actually a forerunner of, and an early assistant of, a further radicalized ideology.

Queering, as an ideological praxis, says that any narrative about the normal is actually just that false-narrative that was formerly understood and believed by patriotic citizens. All normality, and all declarations about what is normal, are arbitrary constructs, and as such must be challenged and countered with a queering ideology. You cannot say anymore what, or who, is normal. It is an ideology born out of postmodern relativism obviously — and for this reason all postmodernists on this forum are stuck in its loop.

Now, what if I asked Gary to undertake a remodeling of his present ideological position — the eye that sees and describes a tendentious position and really believes it.

Instead of a narrative of condemnation, which is in a sense a “poison”, with its constant activity of fault-finding and rectification, what other or different historical analysis could replace it?

What of an ideology, and a concomitant activism, that functions like self-immolation or even cannibalism?

This is why Jonathan Bowden’s “European grammar of self-intolerance” has always stuck with me. When the “grammar” you receive as a child orients you to turn against your own self — against your being — and privileges an ideology where you willingly, voluntarily, render yourself up as retributive payment to those invited to the historical feast.

[phyllo]

What do they need to learn?

To respect each other.

I don't think that's what woke education teaches.

[Alexis Jacobi]

So your critique of my comment is meaningless

It really isn’t. The meaning is quite real and apparent.

If you read nothing but newspapers that is your choice. Yet you could easily rectify that. What would result?

Better understanding of the issues of the day.

[Gary Childress]

Are the schools telling children to become homosexual or trans or is the focus on getting other children to accept homosexual or trans children who have historically been victims of bullying?

If you listen, you’ll better understand.

I listened to the first 15+ minutes of the podcast and he was going on and on about how he reviewed another guy's book and how wonderful it was and then he collaborated in a publication with him and some people on Twitter sent him rave reviews over it and read aloud some of their reviews.

Can you at least let me know the approximate time point where he says what you want me to hear or did you want me to hear about the people on Twitter who gave his books rave reviews?

[Gary Childress]

What do they need to learn?

To respect each other.

I don't think that's what woke education teaches.

Then you know more about it than I do. I just go off the PR blurbs I guess.