Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Sun Jun 09, 2024 5:45 pm
The question I ask — a series of questions — is asked in good faith. But I am also (obviously) making statements.
In our nation the devisions between people are growing to a point where the Liberal Agreement (a la Isaiah Berlin who I admire and respect) is now falling apart. When people do not agree at fundamental levels the structure of Liberalism will give way.
But here is the thing: those who get to that point where they say •I will no longer participate with you in the Liberal Agreement• are those that Michael Millerman references in his short discourse (above).
You see? We get to a point where we say “No”. We then seek to reground in value-structures of the sort that you-plural seem to have abandoned. Take this one: that children should not be exposed to psycho-sexual indoctrination in state-run schools. That is a moral imperative.
I hope you see what I am getting at. Social war, interpersonal war, ideological war has now come to the forefront.
What is the right course?
There are private schools and home schooling options. But I mean, you have a point, I suppose. And I honestly don't know the answer.
You can have a chat with your children while they're attending public school and tell them what you think and why you think it and why you think they are being exposed to the sort of indoctrination that they are being exposed to. That might be your best option in the meantime. I think in public schools education is often focused on getting the kids to all get along with each other more so than private schools where kids might share the philosophy of the school they're purchasing their child's education through.
Have you tried talking to your kids about that sort of stuff?
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Gary Childress wrote: ↑Sun Jun 09, 2024 6:07 pm
There are private schools and home schooling options. But I mean, you have a point, I suppose. And I honestly don't know the answer.
You are making a mistake of personalizing these issues, as if I am asking for personal advice. I am trying to point out that we are now moving to points of irreconcilable differences.
Gary Childress wrote: ↑Sun Jun 09, 2024 6:07 pm
There are private schools and home schooling options. But I mean, you have a point, I suppose. And I honestly don't know the answer.
You are making a mistake of personalizing these issues, as if I am asking for personal advice. I am trying to point out that we are now moving to points of irreconcilable differences.
The “we” is not you and me.
I'm well aware of that. I'm telling you what I would tell someone who has your concerns. Are your concerns yours or are they proxy concerns?
There are private schools and home schooling options. But I mean, you have a point, I suppose. And I honestly don't know the answer.
You can have a chat with your children while they're attending public school and tell them what you think and why you think it and why you think they are being exposed to the sort of indoctrination that they are being exposed to. That might be your best option in the meantime. I think in public schools education is often focused on getting the kids to all get along with each other more so than private schools where kids might share the philosophy of the school their purchasing their child's education through.
Have you tried talking to your kids about that sort of stuff?
Why should the default education be the gender fluid woke version?
Only a small minority are homosexual or trans or some such variation.
The way it's pushed, you would think that at least half the people fall into those categories.
There are private schools and home schooling options. But I mean, you have a point, I suppose. And I honestly don't know the answer.
You can have a chat with your children while they're attending public school and tell them what you think and why you think it and why you think they are being exposed to the sort of indoctrination that they are being exposed to. That might be your best option in the meantime. I think in public schools education is often focused on getting the kids to all get along with each other more so than private schools where kids might share the philosophy of the school their purchasing their child's education through.
Have you tried talking to your kids about that sort of stuff?
Why should the default education be the gender fluid woke version?
Only a small minority are homosexual or trans or some such variation.
The way it's pushed, you would think that at least half the people fall into those categories.
Are the schools telling children to become homosexual or trans or is the focus on getting other children to accept homosexual or trans children who have historically been victims of bullying? I'm not attending schools anymore so I don't have first hand knowledge, and it was my impression that the reason for all this stuff is to reduce bullying outside the schools. However, I suppose bullying is something that is going to go on regardless, so perhaps educators should take a hands-off approach to bullying, let the children work things out for themselves. I mean, being bullied is not the end of the world. It sucks while you're going through it, but you grow up and over most of it eventually.
Statistics for transgender and non-binary for Canada:
The 2021 Census of Population included for the first time a question on gender and the precision of "at birth" on the sex question, allowing all cisgender, transgender and non-binary individuals to report their gender.
Canada is the first country to collect and publish data on gender diversity from a national census.
Of the nearly 30.5 million people in Canada aged 15 and older living in a private household in May 2021, 100,815 were transgender (59,460) or non-binary (41,355), accounting for 0.33% of the population in this age group.
The proportions of transgender and non-binary people were three to seven times higher for Generation Z (born between 1997 and 2006, 0.79%) and millennials (born between 1981 and 1996, 0.51%) than for Generation X (born between 1966 and 1980, 0.19%), baby boomers (born between 1946 and 1965, 0.15%) and the Interwar and Greatest Generations (born in 1945 or earlier, 0.12%).
Over time, the acceptance and understanding of gender and sexual diversity has evolved. Further, there has been social and legislative recognition of transgender, non-binary and LGBTQ2+ people in general. Younger generations may be more comfortable reporting their gender identity than older generations.
In May 2021, the Canadian population aged 15 and older had an average age of 48.0 years. In comparison, the transgender population had an average age of 39.4 years, while the non-binary population had an average age of 30.4 years.
Just under 1 in 100 young adults aged 20 to 24 were non-binary or transgender (0.85%).
Nova Scotia (0.48%), Yukon (0.47%) and British Columbia (0.44%) had the highest proportions of transgender and non-binary people aged 15 and older among provinces and territories.
Victoria (0.75%), Halifax (0.66%) and Fredericton (0.60%) had the most gender diversity among Canadian large urban centres.
Just over half of non-binary people aged 15 and older (52.7%) lived in one of Canada's six largest urban centres: Toronto (15.3%), Montréal (11.0%), Vancouver (10.8%), Ottawa–Gatineau (5.6%), Edmonton (5.4%) and Calgary (4.5%).
Nearly 1 in 6 non-binary people aged 15 and older (15.5%) lived in the downtown core of a large urban centre. This share was more than twice that of transgender people (7.0%) and over three times higher than that of cisgender people (4.7%).
We are approaching population density thresholds in first world western countries so it might not be a terribly bad idea to encourage more people to become gay if we wanna keep those numbas down.
I only wish to interject that queering is an activity, a stance, a way of relating to and interacting with existing categories.
We have been talking about Marxism, neo-Marxism, and Cultural Marxism. And showing how the old forms have morphed into new forms.
Queering is really an extension out of postmodern categories, where the ground has been lost (no solid categories are real), but an •agent• is still very much there. The •activist• who queers all categories or any categories.
I do not know how to pathologize this particular and peculiar agent of disruption.
I could present quotations from their books and essays which express their intentionality.
They say they are bringers of the good and the healthful — but it does not at all seem that this is true.
Gary Childress wrote: ↑Sun Jun 09, 2024 6:26 pm
Are the schools telling children to become homosexual or trans or is the focus on getting other children to accept homosexual or trans children who have historically been victims of bullying?
phyllo wrote: ↑Sun Jun 09, 2024 6:34 pm
Statistics for transgender and non-binary for Canada:
The 2021 Census of Population included for the first time a question on gender and the precision of "at birth" on the sex question, allowing all cisgender, transgender and non-binary individuals to report their gender.
Canada is the first country to collect and publish data on gender diversity from a national census.
Of the nearly 30.5 million people in Canada aged 15 and older living in a private household in May 2021, 100,815 were transgender (59,460) or non-binary (41,355), accounting for 0.33% of the population in this age group.
The proportions of transgender and non-binary people were three to seven times higher for Generation Z (born between 1997 and 2006, 0.79%) and millennials (born between 1981 and 1996, 0.51%) than for Generation X (born between 1966 and 1980, 0.19%), baby boomers (born between 1946 and 1965, 0.15%) and the Interwar and Greatest Generations (born in 1945 or earlier, 0.12%).
Over time, the acceptance and understanding of gender and sexual diversity has evolved. Further, there has been social and legislative recognition of transgender, non-binary and LGBTQ2+ people in general. Younger generations may be more comfortable reporting their gender identity than older generations.
In May 2021, the Canadian population aged 15 and older had an average age of 48.0 years. In comparison, the transgender population had an average age of 39.4 years, while the non-binary population had an average age of 30.4 years.
Just under 1 in 100 young adults aged 20 to 24 were non-binary or transgender (0.85%).
Nova Scotia (0.48%), Yukon (0.47%) and British Columbia (0.44%) had the highest proportions of transgender and non-binary people aged 15 and older among provinces and territories.
Victoria (0.75%), Halifax (0.66%) and Fredericton (0.60%) had the most gender diversity among Canadian large urban centres.
Just over half of non-binary people aged 15 and older (52.7%) lived in one of Canada's six largest urban centres: Toronto (15.3%), Montréal (11.0%), Vancouver (10.8%), Ottawa–Gatineau (5.6%), Edmonton (5.4%) and Calgary (4.5%).
Nearly 1 in 6 non-binary people aged 15 and older (15.5%) lived in the downtown core of a large urban centre. This share was more than twice that of transgender people (7.0%) and over three times higher than that of cisgender people (4.7%).
Less than 1% identifies as transgender or non-binary.
That sounds like reasonably good data. I suppose if they hadn't put it on the census no one would know that sort of stuff. However, that didn't answer my question prior which I think is a very relevant question.
Gary Childress wrote: ↑Sun Jun 09, 2024 6:26 pm
Are the schools telling children to become homosexual or trans or is the focus on getting other children to accept homosexual or trans children who have historically been victims of bullying?
I'll be darned if that isn't exactly what I posted. Well done, AJ!
Gary Childress wrote: ↑Sun Jun 09, 2024 6:26 pm
Are the schools telling children to become homosexual or trans or is the focus on getting other children to accept homosexual or trans children who have historically been victims of bullying?
Are the schools telling children to become homosexual or trans or is the focus on getting other children to accept homosexual or trans children who have historically been victims of bullying? I'm not attending schools anymore so I don't have first hand knowledge, and it was my impression that the reason for all this stuff is to reduce bullying outside the schools. However, I suppose bullying is something that is going to go on regardless, so perhaps educators should take a hands-off approach to bullying, let the children work things out for themselves. I mean, being bullied is not the end of the world. It sucks while you're going through it, but you grow up and over most of it eventually.
You can teach kids not to bully others without teaching the woke agenda.
