Is Driving Fossil-Fuelled Cars Immoral?

[Philosophy Now]

Rufus Duits asks when we can justify driving our carbon contributors.

https://philosophynow.org/issues/162/Is_Driving_Fossil-Fuelled_Cars_Immoral

[Impenitent]

soon exhaling will be a crime against the planet

believe the environmentalist's lies

-Imp

[Gary Childress]

soon exhaling will be a crime against the planet

believe the environmentalist's lies

-Imp

Don't blame the messengers. Blame the creator who created a world that can no longer handle humans exhaling (if that is the case). Living itself has become a sin. How gloriously wonderful the creator of this world must be (if there even is a creator).

[LuckyR]

Rufus Duits asks when we can justify driving our carbon contributors.

https://philosophynow.org/issues/162/Is ... rs_Immoral

Huh? It's definitely not ethically wrong and only a tiny minority find it morally wrong. Don't confuse having a downside to immorality.

[Iwannaplato]

Rufus Duits asks when we can justify driving our carbon contributors.

https://philosophynow.org/issues/162/Is ... rs_Immoral

I wonder if he asked about his use of computers/internet, which he used when asking the question:

Direct Environmental Impacts
Energy Consumption: 1) Electricity Usage: Operating computers, data centers, and network infrastructure requires significant amounts of electricity, often generated from fossil fuels, contributing to greenhouse gas emissions. 2) Cooling Requirements: Data centers need extensive cooling systems to maintain optimal temperatures, which further increases energy consumption.

Resource Extraction: 1) Raw Materials: Computers and electronic devices require various metals and minerals (e.g., rare earth elements, gold, silver, copper) that need to be mined, leading to habitat destruction, soil erosion, and water contamination. 2) Water Usage: Mining and manufacturing processes consume large quantities of water, contributing to water scarcity in some regions.

Manufacturing Impacts: 1)Chemical Pollution: The production of electronic components involves hazardous chemicals that can pollute air, water, and soil if not properly managed. 2) Carbon Footprint: Manufacturing processes emit significant amounts of CO2 and other greenhouse gases.

E-Waste:

1) Disposal Issues: Electronic waste contains toxic substances (e.g., lead, mercury, cadmium) that can leach into the environment if not properly recycled. 2) Resource Wastage: Valuable materials in e-waste are often not recovered, leading to inefficient use of resources.

Indirect Environmental Impacts
Infrastructure Development: 1) Land Use: Construction of data centers, communication networks, and other infrastructure can lead to habitat destruction and land-use changes. 2) Resource Consumption: Building and maintaining this infrastructure requires significant materials and energy.

Operational Emissions:

1) Internet Usage: Streaming services, cloud computing, and other online activities increase the load on data centers, leading to higher energy consumption and associated emissions. 2) Transportation: The logistics involved in distributing electronic products (from manufacturing to end-users) contribute to transportation-related emissions.

Supply Chain Impacts: 1) Global Logistics: The international nature of electronic supply chains means that environmental impacts are distributed globally, including emissions from shipping and air transport. 2) Manufacturing Locations: Many electronic devices are manufactured in countries with less stringent environmental regulations, leading to higher pollution levels.

Electromagnetic Interference: The proliferation of wireless devices and networks can cause electromagnetic pollution, potentially affecting wildlife.

The cumulative energy consumption and emissions from the IT sector contribute significantly to global climate change.
Resource Depletion: 1) The extraction and consumption of finite natural resources for electronic production contribute to resource depletion and environmental degradation. 2) Biodiversity Loss: Habitat destruction, pollution, and climate change driven by the IT sector's environmental footprint contribute to the loss of biodiversity.

[LuckyR]

Rufus Duits asks when we can justify driving our carbon contributors.

https://philosophynow.org/issues/162/Is ... rs_Immoral

I wonder if he asked about his use of computers/internet, which he used when asking the question:

Direct Environmental Impacts
Energy Consumption: 1) Electricity Usage: Operating computers, data centers, and network infrastructure requires significant amounts of electricity, often generated from fossil fuels, contributing to greenhouse gas emissions. 2) Cooling Requirements: Data centers need extensive cooling systems to maintain optimal temperatures, which further increases energy consumption.

Resource Extraction: 1) Raw Materials: Computers and electronic devices require various metals and minerals (e.g., rare earth elements, gold, silver, copper) that need to be mined, leading to habitat destruction, soil erosion, and water contamination. 2) Water Usage: Mining and manufacturing processes consume large quantities of water, contributing to water scarcity in some regions.

Manufacturing Impacts: 1)Chemical Pollution: The production of electronic components involves hazardous chemicals that can pollute air, water, and soil if not properly managed. 2) Carbon Footprint: Manufacturing processes emit significant amounts of CO2 and other greenhouse gases.

E-Waste:

1) Disposal Issues: Electronic waste contains toxic substances (e.g., lead, mercury, cadmium) that can leach into the environment if not properly recycled. 2) Resource Wastage: Valuable materials in e-waste are often not recovered, leading to inefficient use of resources.

Indirect Environmental Impacts
Infrastructure Development: 1) Land Use: Construction of data centers, communication networks, and other infrastructure can lead to habitat destruction and land-use changes. 2) Resource Consumption: Building and maintaining this infrastructure requires significant materials and energy.

Operational Emissions:

1) Internet Usage: Streaming services, cloud computing, and other online activities increase the load on data centers, leading to higher energy consumption and associated emissions. 2) Transportation: The logistics involved in distributing electronic products (from manufacturing to end-users) contribute to transportation-related emissions.

Supply Chain Impacts: 1) Global Logistics: The international nature of electronic supply chains means that environmental impacts are distributed globally, including emissions from shipping and air transport. 2) Manufacturing Locations: Many electronic devices are manufactured in countries with less stringent environmental regulations, leading to higher pollution levels.

Electromagnetic Interference: The proliferation of wireless devices and networks can cause electromagnetic pollution, potentially affecting wildlife.

The cumulative energy consumption and emissions from the IT sector contribute significantly to global climate change.
Resource Depletion: 1) The extraction and consumption of finite natural resources for electronic production contribute to resource depletion and environmental degradation. 2) Biodiversity Loss: Habitat destruction, pollution, and climate change driven by the IT sector's environmental footprint contribute to the loss of biodiversity.

No. Stone throwers are generally not self reflective.

[Age]

soon exhaling will be a crime against the planet

believe the environmentalist's lies

-Imp

Don't blame the messengers. Blame the creator who created a world that can no longer handle humans exhaling (if that is the case). Living itself has become a sin. How gloriously wonderful the creator of this world must be (if there even is a creator).

Of course there is 'a creator' of 'this world'. And, 'that creator' is obviously you adult human beings.

Unless, of course, you adult human beings what to, instead, try to blame children, or something else, for creating 'this world'.

[Age]

Rufus Duits asks when we can justify driving our carbon contributors.

https://philosophynow.org/issues/162/Is ... rs_Immoral

Huh? It's definitely not ethically wrong and only a tiny minority find it morally wrong. Don't confuse having a downside to immorality.

What is the difference between 'ethically wrong' from 'morally wrong', to you, exactly?

[Age]

Would any of you put a child in a closed room and plug the exhaust system of a car into that room?

If yes, then why?

But, if no, then why not?

The biosystem of earth, it could be said and argued, is a closed system. Is polluting the very system one needs in order to keep living and surviving somehow not a moral issue nor moral question?

[LuckyR]

Rufus Duits asks when we can justify driving our carbon contributors.

https://philosophynow.org/issues/162/Is ... rs_Immoral

Huh? It's definitely not ethically wrong and only a tiny minority find it morally wrong. Don't confuse having a downside to immorality.

What is the difference between 'ethically wrong' from 'morally wrong', to you, exactly?

Unethical is violating a community's ethical standards. Immoral is violating one's own moral codes.

[Age]

Huh? It's definitely not ethically wrong and only a tiny minority find it morally wrong. Don't confuse having a downside to immorality.

What is the difference between 'ethically wrong' from 'morally wrong', to you, exactly?

Unethical is violating a community's ethical standards. Immoral is violating one's own moral codes.

Thank you.

Could one actually 'violate' one's own moral codes?

If yes, then how, exactly, do you 'violate' your own moral codes? And, will you provide 'us' with some examples of whe you do it?

[LuckyR]

What is the difference between 'ethically wrong' from 'morally wrong', to you, exactly?

Unethical is violating a community's ethical standards. Immoral is violating one's own moral codes.

Thank you.

Could one actually 'violate' one's own moral codes?

If yes, then how, exactly, do you 'violate' your own moral codes? And, will you provide 'us' with some examples of whe you do it?

For me it is a violation of my moral code to cheat at a game. But since moral "rightness" is only one variable in the complex matrix which is human decision making, I may conclude that while the quality of not following the rules of a game are: wrong, that the quantity of this violation can in certain circumstances be: miniscule. Being miniscule, there are cases where other considerations besides moral rightness outweigh them and, for example I may let my young daughter beat me at a card game.

[Age]

Unethical is violating a community's ethical standards. Immoral is violating one's own moral codes.

Thank you.

Could one actually 'violate' one's own moral codes?

If yes, then how, exactly, do you 'violate' your own moral codes? And, will you provide 'us' with some examples of whe you do it?

For me it is a violation of my moral code to cheat at a game.

So, what, exactly, do you do to 'violate' your own, personal, moral code here?

In other words, how, 'exactly', do you overcome your own 'moralness'?

Or, what is the process involved, exactly, in a human being to override its own sense of 'right'?

But since moral "rightness" is only one variable in the complex matrix which is human decision making, I may conclude that while the quality of not following the rules of a game are: wrong, that the quantity of this violation can in certain circumstances be: miniscule.

Here 'we' can see another prime example of another way these adult human beings, back in 'the olden days' when this was being written, to use to try to 'justify' the 'wrongness' that they each 'knew' that they were doing.

Oh and by the way, there is absolutely nothing complex about any of your human beings decision makings at all That is; after one discovers, or learns, and understands and 'knows' how the Mind and the brain work, anyway.

Being miniscule, there are cases where other considerations besides moral rightness outweigh them and, for example I may let my young daughter beat me at a card game.

So, where is the 'cheating' here, exactly.

Also, what 'we' can see and notice here is another prime example of what was a very common occurrence 'back then'. The adult human beings would just about never provide an example of what they do wrong, and instead would always 'try to justify' everything they do, and like in the prime example here, which could be referred to as 'virtue signalling', they would instead of giving an example/s of the 'wrong' they do, they turn the 'wrong' around completely so much that they try to come across as doing 'it' for good or right purposes and so they try to come across as though they are good people instead.

Which is, exactly, why these adult beings, back then, never actually changed, for the better, and thus why 'the world', itself, took so, so very long to become the Truly peaceful place that it is 'now', after when this was being written.

I asked this one, 'How, exactly, do you 'violate' your own moral codes?'

But 'we' never end up getting told 'how' and instead get told of one 'miniscule' example, which it then is trying to claim it does 'this' because it is a 'good father'.

[Iwannaplato]

Also, what 'we' can see and notice here is another prime example of what was a very common occurrence 'back then'. The adult human beings would just about never provide an example of what they do wrong, and instead would always 'try to justify' everything they do, and like in the prime example here, which could be referred to as 'virtue signalling', they would instead of giving an example/s of the 'wrong' they do, they turn the 'wrong' around completely so much that they try to come across as doing 'it' for good or right purposes and so they try to come across as though they are good people instead.

I can see in my absence Age has not changed regarding at least one of his core negative beliefs about humans. 'Almost never,' he says. Perhaps he has little experience socially with people. He seems unaware that many people are quite capable of admitting things they did wrong and apologizing, a must in many long term relationships, for example marriages. And who also manage not to justify away their apology and/or imply it was actually virtuous. Nor does he seem aware that there are people who apologize too often or have a tendency to find fault in themselves, even when they are not at fault, but certainly when they are.

Perhaps this has to do with Age's childhood and/or adulthood. Perhaps the people around him 'almost never' admitted they did something wrong and could not provide examples when asked. This of course is unfortunate. But he need not continue to 'almost' universalize his own experiences and spread his negative judgments. Yes, Age is noticing a real human pattern, but his 'almost' universalizing his negative judgments of humans is toxic. One wonders if he can admit that, or will he turn his negative judgment into a kind of virtue? Or will he assume that his beliefs need no justification, but others must thoroughly justify his negative beliefs about them and others? Or both?

Or will he continue to pretend he does not have beliefs?

[Gary Childress]

Is being a serial killer who doesn't own a car moral or immoral? Maybe we need to rethink ethics and morality?

Just saying...