Quantum Mechanics [QM] is Grounded on AntiRealism

[Skepdick]

For example, it is obvious within the universe of the Sun there is no minds/consciousness in it

Ironic irony is ironic. Who is it obvious to?

[Atla]

You're pointing out one of the (several) logical inconsistencies within standard MWI. That's fine, but not really what I was talking about. I simply said that new universes don't keep hopping into existence, and Carroll said this too.

What he said isn't an inconsistency in mwi anyway, it's yet another of his own inventions about what he likes to imagine mwi says

I think I'll have to disagree here. Standard MWI says that the worlds of the Many worlds are both connected and separate at the same time, it's a self-contradiction. They have to be connected in order to be counted as different branches of the same universal wavefunction. And after branching, they are separate branches that don't ever touch.

[Flannel Jesus]

You're pointing out one of the (several) logical inconsistencies within standard MWI. That's fine, but not really what I was talking about. I simply said that new universes don't keep hopping into existence, and Carroll said this too.

What he said isn't an inconsistency in mwi anyway, it's yet another of his own inventions about what he likes to imagine mwi says

I think I'll have to disagree here. Standard MWI says that the worlds of the Many worlds are both connected and separate at the same time, it's a self-contradiction. They have to be connected in order to be counted as different branches of the same universal wavefunction. And after branching, they are separate branches that don't ever touch.

The man said "Well, in order for that to take place, one would have to presume that all of the quantum phenomena and events that have taken place in the completely separate universe in which Carroll's copy jumped to the left, would have somehow managed to stay in perfect synchronization with all of the quantum phenomena and events that have taken place in this universe where Carroll jumped to the right."

I don't think any of that matches what mwi peeps believe. Are you into mwi?

[Atla]

What he said isn't an inconsistency in mwi anyway, it's yet another of his own inventions about what he likes to imagine mwi says

I think I'll have to disagree here. Standard MWI says that the worlds of the Many worlds are both connected and separate at the same time, it's a self-contradiction. They have to be connected in order to be counted as different branches of the same universal wavefunction. And after branching, they are separate branches that don't ever touch.

The man said "Well, in order for that to take place, one would have to presume that all of the quantum phenomena and events that have taken place in the completely separate universe in which Carroll's copy jumped to the left, would have somehow managed to stay in perfect synchronization with all of the quantum phenomena and events that have taken place in this universe where Carroll jumped to the right."

I don't think any of that matches what mwi peeps believe. Are you into mwi?

Where didn't it match what MWI peeps say?

[Flannel Jesus]

I think I'll have to disagree here. Standard MWI says that the worlds of the Many worlds are both connected and separate at the same time, it's a self-contradiction. They have to be connected in order to be counted as different branches of the same universal wavefunction. And after branching, they are separate branches that don't ever touch.

The man said "Well, in order for that to take place, one would have to presume that all of the quantum phenomena and events that have taken place in the completely separate universe in which Carroll's copy jumped to the left, would have somehow managed to stay in perfect synchronization with all of the quantum phenomena and events that have taken place in this universe where Carroll jumped to the right."

I don't think any of that matches what mwi peeps believe. Are you into mwi?

Where didn't it match what MWI peeps say?

A "completely separate" universe which magically maintains perfect synchronicity - why is it "completely separate"? Says who?

Many worlds isn't about completely separate universes, many worlds is about this universe.

[Atla]

The man said "Well, in order for that to take place, one would have to presume that all of the quantum phenomena and events that have taken place in the completely separate universe in which Carroll's copy jumped to the left, would have somehow managed to stay in perfect synchronization with all of the quantum phenomena and events that have taken place in this universe where Carroll jumped to the right."

I don't think any of that matches what mwi peeps believe. Are you into mwi?

Where didn't it match what MWI peeps say?

A "completely separate" universe which magically maintains perfect synchronicity - why is it "completely separate"? Says who?

Many worlds isn't about completely separate universes, many worlds is about this universe.

I think Carroll said it too in some vid. The branches are completely separate after the branching, they don't ever interact.

[Flannel Jesus]

I think Carroll said it too in some vid. The branches are completely separate after the branching, they don't ever interact.

The quote I quoted doesn't say completely separate after the branching, it's talking about them as if they're completely separate the whole time, even when they're exactly the same.

[Atla]

I think Carroll said it too in some vid. The branches are completely separate after the branching, they don't ever interact.

The quote I quoted doesn't say completely separate after the branching, it's talking about them as if they're completely separate the whole time, even when they're exactly the same.

I don't know what you mean.

[Flannel Jesus]

I think Carroll said it too in some vid. The branches are completely separate after the branching, they don't ever interact.

The quote I quoted doesn't say completely separate after the branching, it's talking about them as if they're completely separate the whole time, even when they're exactly the same.

I don't know what you mean.

You're talking about separate universes AFTER a split, he's talking about separate universes that are separate BEFORE a split.

"one would have to presume that all of the quantum phenomena and events that have taken place in the completely separate universe in which Carroll's copy jumped to the left, would have somehow managed to stay in perfect synchronization"

Do you see that?

[Atla]

The quote I quoted doesn't say completely separate after the branching, it's talking about them as if they're completely separate the whole time, even when they're exactly the same.

I don't know what you mean.

You're talking about separate universes AFTER a split, he's talking about separate universes that are separate BEFORE a split.

"one would have to presume that all of the quantum phenomena and events that have taken place in the completely separate universe in which Carroll's copy jumped to the left, would have somehow managed to stay in perfect synchronization"

Do you see that?

No, if they were in perfect synchronization, then they were NOT separate.

[Flannel Jesus]

No, if they were in perfect synchronization, then they were NOT separate.

And I would agree with that. But he wouldn't. His wording doesn't imply that. Which is why I said "I don't think any of that matches what mwi peeps believe." His wording implies they're separate even when they're identical, and that's not it.

[Atla]

No, if they were in perfect synchronization, then they were NOT separate.

And I would agree with that. But he wouldn't. His wording doesn't imply that. Which is why I said "I don't think any of that matches what mwi peeps believe." His wording implies they're separate even when they're identical, and that's not it.

No, imo he said that they were not separate before, and should remain not separate after. Which I agree with. Such temporal assymetry is an obvious inconsistency in MWI, but then again in all of physics.

[Flannel Jesus]

No, if they were in perfect synchronization, then they were NOT separate.

And I would agree with that. But he wouldn't. His wording doesn't imply that. Which is why I said "I don't think any of that matches what mwi peeps believe." His wording implies they're separate even when they're identical, and that's not it.

No, imo he said that they were not separate before, and should remain not separate after. Which I agree with. Such temporal assymetry is an obvious inconsistency in MWI, but then again in all of physics.

Okay, it honestly doesn't even seem like we're reading the same quote at this point. I don't think we can get anywhere.

Which is probably for the better, this is all a side track.

[Skepdick]

many worlds is about this universe.

What?

many
/ˈmɛni/
determiner · adjective
a large number of.

A large number of this universe?

What does that even mean?

[Skepdick]

His wording implies they're separate even when they're identical.

That's another one of them... contradiction things.

Identity implies inability to distinguish. Separate implies a distinction accomplished.

Example: 1 = 1

The "1" on the left is the same, but it is not identical to the "1" on the right. If they were identical they wouldn't be distinguishable/identifiable by "left" and "right"

"Two identical things" is a contradiction.