TRUMP AHEAD?

[seeds]

… but here we are. And I will vote for Trump!

In an alternate thread: "Sex and the Religious-Left" I posted the following:

Here's the thing,...

...One of the main problems with arguing with Trump supporters such as you and the Wiz is that you fail (or purposely refuse) to recognize that when I bring up the examples of him lying about the Serge Kovaleski affair, or lying about insisting he was being "sarcastic" when he suggested injecting disinfectant,...

...is that there is no practical way to explicate and display all of his lies and dirty deeds in a single post (or thousands of posts, for that matter).

I'm bringing that up again because Trump has added yet another brazen whopper to the list.

You've probably already heard about it, but in this short video of an interview that took place this past weekend, Trump denies ever saying "...lock her up..." in reference to Hilary Clinton...



Listen to him tell the porky in this short video excerpt...

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/V8_8xmDl ... ture=share

I know there are some funny memes out there that have already addressed what I am about to say, this one, for example...



However, wouldn't it be a strange (make that tragic) irony if Trump...

(a pathological liar that would put Nixon to shame)

...is reelected and somehow manages to become the very last president of the United States, either by transforming America into a fascist dictatorship, or stumblebuming us into a nuclear Armageddon?

I mean, wouldn't the "...I cannot tell a lie..." Washington, and the polar opposite "...I cannot tell the truth..." Trump, be the perfect set of bookends to encapsulate a failed experiment in democracy?
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[Sculptor]

Trump is a gangster.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9lujh1rlWs

[Sculptor]

Republicans are dissing the legal system in the USA.

There are 2 things wrong with the system but both of them favour Republicans.

1)What is wrong with American justice is that money talks. Trump had access to world class representation: better than New York State could provide.

2)The Grand Jury is full of Trump plants.

[Alexis Jacobi]

...is reelected and somehow manages to become the very last president of the United States, either by transforming America into a fascist dictatorship, or stumblebuming us into a nuclear Armageddon?

Here the rain came … and passed. Now everything in nature will be fresh and breathing.

Only Seeds will not be refreshed by this or any Storm. Day and night like a fiend at his throat is the thought that America’s life is lost. A reckless past — it was all stupidity spent on trifles, and the present with all its absurdity is frightful.

There, there they are: his life and his political loves: where shall they be placed? This feeling he has that we are dying in vain, like a ray of sunlight trapped in a pit!

The rumbling on the horizon is the Trump Train!

All aboard!!

[Alexis Jacobi]

Trump is a gangster.

What this indicates is that this Nation is edging toward open civil conflict. The violence and lawlessness — the turmoil began during the George Floyd riots in those Democrat dominated cities — has now reared its head among the opposing camp. After their doxxing, after their bannings and threats and intimidation — well, the same game can be played by the opposing side.

The Rule of Law breaks down.

There is far more to be gained here (in these “discussions”) through an analysis about why these divisions have opened. Instead of taking sides a close examination of the causes will serve us more.

[Sculptor]

Trump is a gangster.

What this indicates is that this Nation is edging toward open civil conflict. The violence and lawlessness — the turmoil began during the George Floyd riots in those Democrat dominated cities

Bollocks.

[mickthinks]

What this indicates is that this Nation is edging toward open civil conflict.

The two sides of the conflict are not equally to blame for the increasing threat of violence, though. It seems pretty clear that MAGA people see no other path to power, whereas the rest of country still have faith in democracy, peaceful transition, and the rule of law.

[Alexis Jacobi]

What this indicates is that this Nation is edging toward open civil conflict.

The two sides of the conflict are not equally to blame for the increasing threat of violence, though. It seems pretty clear that MAGA people see no other path to power, whereas the rest of country still have faith in democracy, peaceful transition, and the rule of law.

It is likely that every statement you’d make will come from a prejudiced, tendentious position — a determined one held by a specific faction. Your assessments cannot likely be trusted for much.

In one sense I think you are right about the power-issue. My understanding is that different •Americas• have emerged; very different interpretations of what it is, what it should be.

On one level America is run by business and, in the end, their will will decide its present and future.

But on a social level a deep divide has opened. Unfortunately, those broad conflicts are compounded by a dozen different confusing currents and it all acts like a mire. It is very hard to arrive at clarity about what is really happening.

But once the divisions, and the breakdowns in political agreements, widen even more than they have, then the decorum of playing by the rules falls away. The game devolves into straight power principles.

At that point the struggle turns on the action of America’s political police and a para-military/intelligence establishment — the center where power actually lies. Referred to as •the deep state• it seems to me one really must understand the power-struggles occurring within those structures.

The present régime (it goes under the inaccurate title of “The Democrats”) has tremendous power for different reasons. It very well understands that a serious threat has arisen.

And all the machinations of power will be and are being brought out against it — “it” being a grouping that declares a challenge to that established structure. This is a very serious game and it is childish to believe that it has to do with “democracy” at the fundamental level. It is presented that way though.

[Alexis Jacobi]

“By the curved seashore a green oak, a golden chain upon that oak …”

[FlashDangerpants]

It is likely that every statement you’d make will come from a prejudiced, tendentious position — a determined one held by a specific faction. Your assessments cannot likely be trusted for much.

You should invest in a mirror of some sort

[Alexis Jacobi]

NYTs (today):

Republican allies of Donald J. Trump are calling for revenge prosecutions and other retaliatory measures against Democrats in response to his felony conviction in New York.

Within hours of a jury finding Mr. Trump guilty last week, the anger congealed into demands for action. Since then, prominent G.O.P. leaders in and out of government have demanded that elected Republicans use every available instrument of power against Democrats, including targeted investigations and prosecutions.

The intensity of anger and open desire for using the criminal justice system against Democrats after the verdict surpasses anything seen before in Mr. Trump’s tumultuous years in national politics. What is different now is the range of Republicans who are saying retaliation is necessary and who are no longer cloaking their intent with euphemisms.

Stephen Miller, a former senior adviser to Mr. Trump who still helps guide his thinking on policy, blared out a directive on Fox News after a jury found Mr. Trump guilty of falsifying financial records to cover up a 2016 campaign hush-money payment to a porn actress. Mr. Miller posed a series of questions to Republicans at every level, including local district attorneys.

“Is every House committee controlled by Republicans using its subpoena power in every way it needs to right now?” he demanded. “Is every Republican D.A. starting every investigation they need to right now?”

“Every facet of Republican Party politics and power has to be used right now to go toe-to-toe with Marxism and beat these Communists,” Mr. Miller said, using the catchall slurs Trump allies routinely use against Democrats.

Stephen K. Bannon, the former chief strategist to Mr. Trump, said in a text message to The New York Times on Tuesday that now was the moment for obscure Republican prosecutors around the country to make a name for themselves by prosecuting Democrats.

“There are dozens of ambitious backbencher state attorneys general and district attorneys who need to ‘seize the day’ and own this moment in history,” Mr. Bannon wrote.

And Senator Marco Rubio of Florida, the top Republican on the Senate Intelligence Committee who is in contention to be Mr. Trump’s running mate, wrote on X that President Biden was “a demented man propped up by wicked & deranged people” and it was now time to “fight fire with fire” — using flame emojis to represent the fire.

Officials with the Trump campaign did not respond to requests for comment.

[phyllo]

NYTs (today):

Republican allies of Donald J. Trump are calling for revenge prosecutions and other retaliatory measures against Democrats in response to his felony conviction in New York.

Within hours of a jury finding Mr. Trump guilty last week, the anger congealed into demands for action. Since then, prominent G.O.P. leaders in and out of government have demanded that elected Republicans use every available instrument of power against Democrats, including targeted investigations and prosecutions.

The intensity of anger and open desire for using the criminal justice system against Democrats after the verdict surpasses anything seen before in Mr. Trump’s tumultuous years in national politics. What is different now is the range of Republicans who are saying retaliation is necessary and who are no longer cloaking their intent with euphemisms.

Stephen Miller, a former senior adviser to Mr. Trump who still helps guide his thinking on policy, blared out a directive on Fox News after a jury found Mr. Trump guilty of falsifying financial records to cover up a 2016 campaign hush-money payment to a porn actress. Mr. Miller posed a series of questions to Republicans at every level, including local district attorneys.

“Is every House committee controlled by Republicans using its subpoena power in every way it needs to right now?” he demanded. “Is every Republican D.A. starting every investigation they need to right now?”

“Every facet of Republican Party politics and power has to be used right now to go toe-to-toe with Marxism and beat these Communists,” Mr. Miller said, using the catchall slurs Trump allies routinely use against Democrats.

Stephen K. Bannon, the former chief strategist to Mr. Trump, said in a text message to The New York Times on Tuesday that now was the moment for obscure Republican prosecutors around the country to make a name for themselves by prosecuting Democrats.

“There are dozens of ambitious backbencher state attorneys general and district attorneys who need to ‘seize the day’ and own this moment in history,” Mr. Bannon wrote.

And Senator Marco Rubio of Florida, the top Republican on the Senate Intelligence Committee who is in contention to be Mr. Trump’s running mate, wrote on X that President Biden was “a demented man propped up by wicked & deranged people” and it was now time to “fight fire with fire” — using flame emojis to represent the fire.

Officials with the Trump campaign did not respond to requests for comment.

Good.

It's about time that the justice system prosecuted the rich and powerful for their crimes.

They have been untouchable too long, while ordinary men and women have been dumped into prisons.

A bit more diversity, equity and inclusion in prison is not a bad thing.

And the bonus is that Republicans will actually need support their charges with evidence instead of the typical empty talk. Should be interesting.

[Sculptor]

NYTs (today):

Republican allies of Donald J. Trump are calling for revenge prosecutions and other retaliatory measures against Democrats in response to his felony conviction in New York.

Within hours of a jury finding Mr. Trump guilty last week, the anger congealed into demands for action. Since then, prominent G.O.P. leaders in and out of government have demanded that elected Republicans use every available instrument of power against Democrats, including targeted investigations and prosecutions.

The intensity of anger and open desire for using the criminal justice system against Democrats after the verdict surpasses anything seen before in Mr. Trump’s tumultuous years in national politics. What is different now is the range of Republicans who are saying retaliation is necessary and who are no longer cloaking their intent with euphemisms.

Stephen Miller, a former senior adviser to Mr. Trump who still helps guide his thinking on policy, blared out a directive on Fox News after a jury found Mr. Trump guilty of falsifying financial records to cover up a 2016 campaign hush-money payment to a porn actress. Mr. Miller posed a series of questions to Republicans at every level, including local district attorneys.

“Is every House committee controlled by Republicans using its subpoena power in every way it needs to right now?” he demanded. “Is every Republican D.A. starting every investigation they need to right now?”

“Every facet of Republican Party politics and power has to be used right now to go toe-to-toe with Marxism and beat these Communists,” Mr. Miller said, using the catchall slurs Trump allies routinely use against Democrats.

Stephen K. Bannon, the former chief strategist to Mr. Trump, said in a text message to The New York Times on Tuesday that now was the moment for obscure Republican prosecutors around the country to make a name for themselves by prosecuting Democrats.

“There are dozens of ambitious backbencher state attorneys general and district attorneys who need to ‘seize the day’ and own this moment in history,” Mr. Bannon wrote.

And Senator Marco Rubio of Florida, the top Republican on the Senate Intelligence Committee who is in contention to be Mr. Trump’s running mate, wrote on X that President Biden was “a demented man propped up by wicked & deranged people” and it was now time to “fight fire with fire” — using flame emojis to represent the fire.

Officials with the Trump campaign did not respond to requests for comment.

Good.

It's about time that the justice system prosecuted the rich and powerful for their crimes.

They have been untouchable too long, while ordinary men and women have been dumped into prisons.

A bit more diversity, equity and inclusion in prison is not a bad thing.

And the bonus is that Republicans will actually need support their charges with evidence instead of the typical empty talk. Should be interesting.

What do you think it the chance of the Bigfatorangebabyman spending any time in gaol?

I find it puzzling that the evidence seems to be that Trump has not been harmed by his being a felon.

However I did learn of a glimmer of hope today that Trumps preferred candiate in NJ has just lost out to a moderate Republican in the primary there. - and by over 20% too.
Maybe rationality is returning to the Repugs? Let's hope that the like of Lizz Cheney and others start gainging ground.
The Republican establishment would do well to ditch the baby.

[FlashDangerpants]

What do you think it the chance of the Bigfatorangebabyman spending any time in gaol?

Negligible. He won't win the election, and the Supreme Court has nothing to work with on the NYC case he just lost, so he'll probably end up getting house arrest for that.

But after November his defence will change and be based on his mental incompetence to stand trial. He has dementia and a long standing drug abuse problem that contributes to it, so he'll be technically unable to provide adequate assistance to counsel in his own defence and will get let off on all further prosecutions. Perhaps Biden will pardon him at that stage to bring it all to a close at the federal level.

[phyllo]

What do you think it the chance of the Bigfatorangebabyman spending any time in gaol?

I tend to think he will get a fine and probation.
If he gets any jail time at all, it will be a few days to be served on weekends.

I find it puzzling that the evidence seems to be that Trump has not been harmed by his being a felon.

He already spoke about this in 2016:

"I could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody, and I wouldn't lose any voters, OK?" Trump remarked at a campaign stop at Dordt College in Sioux Center, Iowa. "It's, like, incredible."

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way ... any-voters

So true.

His supporters rationalize it in some way. They make him the hero and the martyr in every case.