Anti-Semitism in Religions

[Veritas Aequitas]

See this:
https://www.quora.com/Is-the-Quran-antisemitic

Why there is anti-semitism in religions?

[godelian]

See this:
https://www.quora.com/Is-the-Quran-antisemitic

Why there is antisemiticism in religions?

Both the Pauline and the Ebionite branches of Christianity emerged out of Messianistic Judaism which itself was an alternative branch in second-temple Judaism along with at least a dozen other branches including what would later evolve into Orthodox Judaism but which was originally known as the Pharisees. The Ebionite branch of Messianistic Judaism later on evolved into Islam.

So, the question becomes: What was originally the beef between the Messianistic Jews and the Pharisees?

I will not even go into the equally bitter conflict between the Jews, irrespective of branch, and the Samaritans.

The beef was the following. The Pharisees utterly rejected the claim that Christ was the Messiah and successfully conspired to bring him to trial for blasphemy. In Pauline Christianity, they kept accusing the Pharisees, i.e. the Orthodox Jews, over the centuries of deicide ("god killing"). The Ebionite branch of Christianity also inherited this mutual hostility, which was preserved to some extent in Islam.

In prophetic times, the Jews of Medina were originally allied to the Muslims but were suspected of conspiring against the Muslims with the pagans. This distrust eventually led to violent combat and wholesale executions.

So, the Quran expresses hostility against the Pharisees mostly because the Gospels already did. When push came to shove, they could not trust each other.

But then again, in Ottoman times, the Jews were not disliked or persecuted by the Muslims, while in European Christianity, the Jews certainly were. The original animosity between Jews and Muslims only flared up again because of the Zionist occupation of Palestine.

[accelafine]

Is that supposed to say anti-semitism? At first I thought it was a typo but you did it again.

[attofishpi]

Judaism later on evolved into Islam.

NO Divine religion 'evolved' into Islam.

Islam 610 years after Christ, was created by a paedophile warlord (with NO Divine influence) and based SOME verses on Judaic texts. When the Jews rightly refused to accept his claim of being a prophet, Mor_Ham_Mad began slaughtering them and wrote into his evil book instructing Muzzle Ems to kill Jews wherever they are found.

Unlike all world religions where certain people within certain cultures have been made aware of this Divine God and formed many beautiful religions, Islam was formed by a false prophet.

The only time Mohammad had ANY Divine revelation was upon his death bed. He claimed earlier in the Koran that if he was a false prophet he would surely have his aorta cut. After being poisoned by a Jewish lady (that told him why she poisoned him - he had slaughtered her entire family), he stated to Aisha (one of his many wives - the one he married at her age of 6 and his of 52) - he stated "I feel as though my aorta is being severed" -shortly before he died.

The Divine God I know exists, that has the power over all matter CLEARLY forced his hand - made him feel as if the aorta being cut and forced him to admit that he indeed was a liar all along.

[godelian]

Judaism later on evolved into Islam.

NO Divine religion 'evolved' into Islam.

The original beef between the Messianistic Jews and the Pharisees was the claim if their leader was the Messiah. They also put him on trial for blasphemy. Next, the Pharisees killed James the Just, brother of Christ, and successor at the helm of the congregation of the poor (Ebionites).

It is very similar to the original conflict between Catholics and Protestants. The Catholics would routinely burn Protestants at the stake for heresy.

The typical punishment in the Middle East for heresy was lapidation while in Europe it was burning at the stake. Crucifixion was a Roman punishment, not for heresy but for sedition.

Every new deviation from established religion is at first considered to be a heresy.

[attofishpi]

..and yet I have had loads of Divine Revelation personally through my faith in Christ. As He said "To know God is through me".

Good luck on Judgement Day if you remain a Muslim.

Here is wisdom, 666 for those that follow a false PROFIT.

Strange how you all go around in an anti_clock_wise movement - around a pagan symbol Kabba - like Stars around a black hole of the galaxy.

Mind you don't get Judged the Sun of Man - for truly you will burn for our energy.

[godelian]

Good luck on Judgement Day if you remain a Muslim.

Well, that is what all the other Abrahamic forks say about you. Extra ecclesiam nulla salus.

That view is obviously nonsensical.

[attofishpi]

Good luck on Judgement Day if you remain a Muslim.

Well, that is what all the other Abrahamic forks say about you. Extra ecclesiam nulla salus.

That view is obviously nonsensical.

I agree and will add that atheists have salvation equal to those of faith, it boils down to one's actions throughout life.

Unfortunately, Muslims support in many ways the evils of a non-divine liar, through their preaching, financially and breeding more evil indoctrination into the world.

What else have you got?

Here is a poem I wrote some years ago - regarding what happened to me more than twice actually...the Tree of Know_Ledge was too tempting.

Under_stand, I am only attempting to bring you back to the light.


DAY OF RECKONING

Two days of reckoning
I have felt
was it God's consciousness
that then I was dealt?
Feeling the chaos
the synapses switching
the heat of the Sun
and I'm just a son
why upon me
why should I see
the sea of the ocean
is in complete retreat
all of my knowledge
force fed to my pledge
my toes curling
over my soles near edge
the furnace burning
upon each thought is fraught
with the insatiable knowing
from which I was taught
for what I did
I must pay
too late to pray
I am the universe's prey
each thought twisted
upon itself
and I feel my flesh
no longer my self
but what does it matter
that is all I am
is my soul an ION
am I the ram
the beast
now fleeced
what did I pose
to this
far too many
QUEST_IONs
a bliss amiss
don't eat from the tree
or suck it and see
you'll be the sap
fool into its trap
where is my Christ
He doesn't help mice
that look down and wander
attempt to look up
and wonder
Y?

Ys UP (Christ formed that very letter while nailed to the crucifix) WHY?

[Veritas Aequitas]

Is that supposed to say anti-semitism? At first I thought it was a typo but you did it again.

Noted and edited.

[Veritas Aequitas]

See this:
https://www.quora.com/Is-the-Quran-antisemitic

Why there is antisemiticism in religions?

Both the Pauline and the Ebionite branches of Christianity emerged out of Messianistic Judaism which itself was an alternative branch in second-temple Judaism along with at least a dozen other branches including what would later evolve into Orthodox Judaism but which was originally known as the Pharisees. The Ebionite branch of Messianistic Judaism later on evolved into Islam.

So, the question becomes: What was originally the beef between the Messianistic Jews and the Pharisees?

I will not even go into the equally bitter conflict between the Jews, irrespective of branch, and the Samaritans.

The beef was the following. The Pharisees utterly rejected the claim that Christ was the Messiah and successfully conspired to bring him to trial for blasphemy. In Pauline Christianity, they kept accusing the Pharisees, i.e. the Orthodox Jews, over the centuries of deicide ("god killing"). The Ebionite branch of Christianity also inherited this mutual hostility, which was preserved to some extent in Islam.

In prophetic times, the Jews of Medina were originally allied to the Muslims but were suspected of conspiring against the Muslims with the pagans. This distrust eventually led to violent combat and wholesale executions.

So, the Quran expresses hostility against the Pharisees mostly because the Gospels already did. When push came to shove, they could not trust each other.

But then again, in Ottoman times, the Jews were not disliked or persecuted by the Muslims, while in European Christianity, the Jews certainly were. The original animosity between Jews and Muslims only flared up again because of the Zionist occupation of Palestine.

First there is the fact of an inherent instinct of tribalism, us vs then, in-group vs out-group,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tribalism
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In-group_and_out-group
This tribalistic instinct is critical for basis survival which can lead to the evil acts of killing and harming the other tribe[s]; this is in opposition to co-operation between tribes which is later-evolved impulse.

The Ebionite branch of Messianistic Judaism later on evolved into Islam.

This is one of the most unintelligent view I have ever come across.

So, the Quran expresses hostility against the Pharisees mostly because the Gospels already did. When push came to shove, they could not trust each other.

You are making excuses for the evil acts of the Quran.

The Gospels [as the Constitution of Christianity] has an overriding pacifist maxim of 'love all - even enemies' 'give the other cheek' and the likes; so, there is no way the Christian God commands His believers to hate anyone [inclusive of the Jews].
Some "Christians" would have had or hate the Jews, but they can only do it as ordinary humans, not as a Christian officially.
Any Christian who do not love all even enemies would have sinned against the Christian's God command as in the Gospels. [then it is up to God to forgive or not]

Muhammad [who initiated the Quran] hated Jews because they mocked and rejected his claims of prophethood.
This is the same with Hitler who hated the Jews due to some sort of being mocked and rejected by some Jews.

Muhammad hatred was converted into an religious ideology with large followers with its inherent tribalistic us vs them impulses that evil impulses of anti-semitism. [Hitler into a malignant political ideology]
The critical problems is that M's hatred is embedded into the ideology and the Quran is immutable as commanded by God.
To ensure their salvation in heaven & to avoid hell which is a very terrible threat, Muslims has to obey the immutable commands of their God which include the hatred and killing of Jews whenever given the opportunity.

Where one's land is occupied, naturally [for humans] it will triggered retaliation to kick out the occupiers and the hatred for the occupiers. This has been going on for eons.
(however, the Jews-Arabs-Jews occupation is complex due to its history).
What is critical for the Jews-Arab occupation point is, beside the natural human acts it is infused with the religious factor, very toxic religious elements.

The theocratic "Tibetan lands" [Buddhist] is occupied at present, why no 'such' terrible protests [using evil and violence] against the occupiers??

The religion of Islam sanctions the killing of all the occupiers of any "Islamic land" [5:33 etc.] and because of the threat of hell if Muslims do not comply with God's command, all true-Muslims are contractually [duty] bound hate the occupiers and kill them wherever possible to get back their land.
This is why the protests and violence of the occupation and anti-semitism is going on all over the world wherever there are Muslims.
The term "Islamic land" is a farce itself. Point is, before the Islamists occupied the land, it was not "Islamic" at all.

Commanded the Gospels, Christianity-proper cannot be anti-semitic.
There is no other religion that is officially anti-semitic. [evidence if otherwise]

The only anti-semitic religion is the supposedly Religion of Peace with its immutable commands which induce [duty, obligate] hatred and sanction the killing of Jews, more so, if the Jews are "interpreted" as occupying Islamic land.

[godelian]

The Ebionite branch of Messianistic Judaism later on evolved into Islam.

This is one of the most unintelligent view I have ever come across.

Read the scholarship on Ebionite Christianity. A good starting point: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ebionites

Some "Christians" would have had or hate the Jews, but they can only do it as ordinary humans, not as a Christian officially.

The conflict originally started between the two surviving branches of Judaism: Messianistic Jews and Rabbinic Jews (Pharisees). Messianistic Judaism spread to non-Jews (Gentiles) while Rabbinic Judaism insisted on Jewish descent. Originally, it was about Jews hating other Jews. It had nothing to do with non-Jews (Gentiles).

Muhammad [who initiated the Quran] hated Jews because they mocked and rejected his claims of prophethood.

Accepting the prophethood of Muhammed is only possible if also you accept that the Christ is the Messiah. The Rabbinic Jews (Pharisees) had already rejected that claim centuries earlier. In fact, it is the Pharisees who had brought the Christ to trial on the accusation of blasphemy. Therefore, there was no way that the Rabbinic Jews would accept a religion which viewed Christ as the Messiah.

Everything that you write about Islam reflects that fact that you are utterly unaware of its Ebionite origins. In fact, if you had read the Quran, you would have noticed it. Islam grew out of a Messianistic Jewish (i.e. Ebionite Christian) congregation. That is why Muslims strongly identify with Abraham and Moses and the other ancient Hebrew prophets. This is why the Torah is a holy book in Islam. In fact, in the first few centuries of Islam, the Islamic clergy used written copies of the Torah but only oral copies from memory of the Quran. It took centuries for the Quran to overtake the Torah amongst the early Muslims.

[Veritas Aequitas]

The Ebionite branch of Messianistic Judaism later on evolved into Islam.

This is one of the most unintelligent view I have ever come across.

Read the scholarship on Ebionite Christianity. A good starting point: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ebionites

Some "Christians" would have had or hate the Jews, but they can only do it as ordinary humans, not as a Christian officially.

The conflict originally started between the two surviving branches of Judaism: Messianistic Jews and Rabbinic Jews (Pharisees). Messianistic Judaism spread to non-Jews (Gentiles) while Rabbinic Judaism insisted on Jewish descent. Originally, it was about Jews hating other Jews. It had nothing to do with non-Jews (Gentiles).

Muhammad [who initiated the Quran] hated Jews because they mocked and rejected his claims of prophethood.

Accepting the prophethood of Muhammed is only possible if also you accept that the Christ is the Messiah. The Rabbinic Jews (Pharisees) had already rejected that claim centuries earlier. In fact, it is the Pharisees who had brought the Christ to trial on the accusation of blasphemy. Therefore, there was no way that the Rabbinic Jews would accept a religion which viewed Christ as the Messiah.

Everything that you write about Islam reflects that fact that you are utterly unaware of its Ebionite origins. In fact, if you had read the Quran, you would have noticed it. Islam grew out of a Messianistic Jewish (i.e. Ebionite Christian) congregation. That is why Muslims strongly identify with Abraham and Moses and the other ancient Hebrew prophets. This is why the Torah is a holy book in Islam. In fact, in the first few centuries of Islam, the Islamic clergy used written copies of the Torah but only oral copies from memory of the Quran. It took centuries for the Quran to overtake the Torah amongst the early Muslims.

Now that I have read up on the Ebonites, I don't see the relevance that M hated the Jews because they mocked him and rejected his prophethood.

The current Torah is not holy book of Islam.
According to the Quran, Islam accepted the books of Torah and even Jesus' teaching but they claimed what is current has been corrupted by Jews and Christian.
From Islam's perspective, nobody know the 'original' OT and Gospels, only Allah knows it, and he then sent the latest versions via Muhammad as the only valid version for Islam.

The truth is the Quran was written by humans long after the death of Muhammad supposedly from memories; this obviously is exposed to a lot of problems and there a lot of controversies surrounding it as a perfect word for word book from God.
The truth is a group of humans want to establish a religion for some reasons [political, etc.] and they merely plagiarized what is around that time and added some new elements and condoning evil acts upon the believers.

Claiming the OT and NT are parts of Islam and the current versions are corrupted is merely to cover up for Islam plagiarizing another religion's doctrine.

[godelian]

The truth is a group of humans want to establish a religion for some reasons [political, etc.] and they merely plagiarized what is around that time and added some new elements

The Ebionites did not plagiarize the original. They are the original.

The Christ created the congregation of the Poor. His legitimate successor was James the Just, his brother. The last successor at the helm of the congregation before Muhammed was Waraqah Ibn Naufal.

[Veritas Aequitas]

The truth is a group of humans want to establish a religion for some reasons [political, etc.] and they merely plagiarized what is around that time and added some new elements

The Ebionites did not plagiarize the original. They are the original.

The Christ created the congregation of the Poor. His legitimate successor was James the Just, his brother. The last successor at the helm of the congregation before Muhammed was Waraqah Ibn Naufal.

I did not mean the Ebiomites plagiarized the original. They had a different interpretation of the Christianity [the doctrines] not forming any new religion.

M did not succeed to any religion.
He "founded" a new religion after hearing voices first in a cave from an angel Gabriel.

I believe there was no real divine 'Muhammad' who founded a religion.
Islam was started by a group of men who wanted to establish a new religion or ideology [Islam] in the late 600s [for whatever the purpose] and simply pick up bits of pieces from the existing religions, i.e. plagiarized from them with changing a few words and terms here and there.

[godelian]

Islam was started by a group of men who wanted to establish a new religion or ideology [Islam] in the late 600s [for whatever the purpose] and simply pick up bits of pieces from the existing religions, i.e. plagiarized from them with changing a few words and terms here and there.

The Quran came about because the Ebionites had, after their flight from Cyprus, lost access to the last extant copy of the Ebionite Gospel.