How wokeness is torpedoing the solidarity with Ukraine

[Atla]

I may have overestimated your intellectual abilities. Sorry about that. Carry on as you are.

Wonder what people like you have to gain from aiding Russia. Are you compensated in some way or do you do it for free?

Like I said: if that's your question, then I've overestimated your abilities. Sorry about that.

Preaching it for free, looks like you're really just that dumb again. Well no surprise there.

[Gary Childress]

The political elite in the US horribly mishandled the Ukraine situation. They were warned by our own intelligence community that moving toward NATO membership to Ukraine would force Putin's hand. But they pushed for it anyway. So now what do we all do?

Here's a relevant interview with Chomsky

[Atla]

The political elite in the US horribly mishandled the Ukraine situation. They were warned by our own intelligence community that moving toward NATO membership to Ukraine would force Putin's hand. But they pushed for it anyway. So now what do we all do?

Here's a relevant interview with Chomsky

Give Alaska to Putin, that should placate them for a while.

[Gary Childress]

The political elite in the US horribly mishandled the Ukraine situation. They were warned by our own intelligence community that moving toward NATO membership to Ukraine would force Putin's hand. But they pushed for it anyway. So now what do we all do?

Here's a relevant interview with Chomsky

Give Alaska to Putin, that should placate them for a while.

OK. Wouldn't negotiating a less radical peaceful settlement be better/more realistic?

[Immanuel Can]

The political elite in the US horribly mishandled the Ukraine situation. They were warned by our own intelligence community that moving toward NATO membership to Ukraine would force Putin's hand. But they pushed for it anyway. So now what do we all do?

Give Alaska to Putin, that should placate them for a while.

OK. Wouldn't negotiating a less radical peaceful settlement be better/more realistic?

Atla's not making a serious suggestion, Gary. You should pick that up by the wild irrelevance of her suggestion.

She's not listening to what you say, in fact. She's just looking for an opportunity to be obtuse, or to pretend to misunderstand, or to accuse you of taking a ridiculous position you never did.

Never feed a troll.

[Atla]

The political elite in the US horribly mishandled the Ukraine situation. They were warned by our own intelligence community that moving toward NATO membership to Ukraine would force Putin's hand. But they pushed for it anyway. So now what do we all do?

Here's a relevant interview with Chomsky

Give Alaska to Putin, that should placate them for a while.

OK. Wouldn't negotiating a less radical peaceful settlement be better/more realistic?

Okay, then answer the question that IC ran away from.

Explain to the Ukrainians why they should give up on the occupied parts of their country?

[Gary Childress]

Give Alaska to Putin, that should placate them for a while.

OK. Wouldn't negotiating a less radical peaceful settlement be better/more realistic?

Okay, then answer the question that IC ran away from.

Explain to the Ukrainians why they should give up on the occupied parts of their country?

Because the US cannot stop Russia from taking Ukraine if Russia becomes desperate. Did you see the video I linked to? According to Chomsky, Russia would probably destroy Ukraine if the gloves come off. So far it's been a conservative war by Russia, they aren't unleashing everything they have on Ukraine. If the US and NATO become directly involved then the war could turn into the end of humanity. No one wants to see Ukraine destroyed and no one wants to see humanity destroyed. However, Ukraine alone is unlikely to defeat Russia, with or without Western Aid. It's the unfortunate truth, I think. Yes, Putin is a tyrant. Yes, he's a dictator, however, it's going to be either Ukraine destroyed or the whole world destroyed, Ukraine included, if we fail to negotiate.

[Atla]

OK. Wouldn't negotiating a less radical peaceful settlement be better/more realistic?

Okay, then answer the question that IC ran away from.

Explain to the Ukrainians why they should give up on the occupied parts of their country?

Because the US cannot stop Russia from taking Ukraine if Russia becomes desperate. Did you see the video I linked to? According to Chomsky, Russia would probably destroy Ukraine if the gloves come off. So far it's been a conservative war by Russia, they aren't unleashing everything they have on Ukraine. If the US and NATO become involved then the war could turn into the end of humanity. No one wants to see Ukraine destroyed and no one wants to see humanity destroyed. However, Ukraine alone is unlikely to defeat Russia, with or without Western Aid. It's the unfortunate truth, I think. Yes, Putin is a tyrant. Yes, he's a dictator, however, it's going to be either Ukraine destroyed or the whole world destroyed, Ukraine included, if we fail to negotiate.

Might makes right, terrorist countries with nuclear arsenals can do whatever they want from now on. Russia will of course not stop with Ukraine either. The only option a country will have from now on, in order to remain free, is to create nuclear weapons themselves. Eventually the whole world will be armed to the teeth, and then BAM.

[Gary Childress]

Okay, then answer the question that IC ran away from.

Explain to the Ukrainians why they should give up on the occupied parts of their country?

Because the US cannot stop Russia from taking Ukraine if Russia becomes desperate. Did you see the video I linked to? According to Chomsky, Russia would probably destroy Ukraine if the gloves come off. So far it's been a conservative war by Russia, they aren't unleashing everything they have on Ukraine. If the US and NATO become involved then the war could turn into the end of humanity. No one wants to see Ukraine destroyed and no one wants to see humanity destroyed. However, Ukraine alone is unlikely to defeat Russia, with or without Western Aid. It's the unfortunate truth, I think. Yes, Putin is a tyrant. Yes, he's a dictator, however, it's going to be either Ukraine destroyed or the whole world destroyed, Ukraine included, if we fail to negotiate.

Might makes right, terrorist countries with nuclear arsenals can do whatever they want from now on. Russia will of course not stop with Ukraine either. The only option a country will have from now on, in order to remain free, is to create nuclear weapons themselves. Eventually the whole world will be armed to the teeth, and then BAM.

There are movements toward stopping nuclear proliferation such as the comprehensive nuclear test ban treaty CTBT. Diplomacy would be a big booster shot toward the world solving its problems in non-militaristic ways.

[Atla]

Because the US cannot stop Russia from taking Ukraine if Russia becomes desperate. Did you see the video I linked to? According to Chomsky, Russia would probably destroy Ukraine if the gloves come off. So far it's been a conservative war by Russia, they aren't unleashing everything they have on Ukraine. If the US and NATO become involved then the war could turn into the end of humanity. No one wants to see Ukraine destroyed and no one wants to see humanity destroyed. However, Ukraine alone is unlikely to defeat Russia, with or without Western Aid. It's the unfortunate truth, I think. Yes, Putin is a tyrant. Yes, he's a dictator, however, it's going to be either Ukraine destroyed or the whole world destroyed, Ukraine included, if we fail to negotiate.

Might makes right, terrorist countries with nuclear arsenals can do whatever they want from now on. Russia will of course not stop with Ukraine either. The only option a country will have from now on, in order to remain free, is to create nuclear weapons themselves. Eventually the whole world will be armed to the teeth, and then BAM.

There are movements toward stopping nuclear proliferation such as the comprehensive nuclear test ban treaty CTBT. Diplomacy would be a big booster shot toward the world solving its problems in non-militaristic ways.

Russia is one of those barbaric countries that doesn't care about diplomacy, it's a rabid dog that only understands force and thinks it's entitled to create a Soviet Union 2.

[Gary Childress]

Might makes right, terrorist countries with nuclear arsenals can do whatever they want from now on. Russia will of course not stop with Ukraine either. The only option a country will have from now on, in order to remain free, is to create nuclear weapons themselves. Eventually the whole world will be armed to the teeth, and then BAM.

There are movements toward stopping nuclear proliferation such as the comprehensive nuclear test ban treaty CTBT. Diplomacy would be a big booster shot toward the world solving its problems in non-militaristic ways.

Russia is one of those barbaric countries that doesn't care about diplomacy, it's a rabid dog that only understands force and thinks it's entitled to create a Soviet Union 2.

We're all barbaric countries if you look at the historical record. We need to move past the barbarism and try to negotiate problems or else we're all going to end up incinerated. Weaponry has become too sophisticated for us to continue solving problems with war.

[Atla]

There are movements toward stopping nuclear proliferation such as the comprehensive nuclear test ban treaty CTBT. Diplomacy would be a big booster shot toward the world solving its problems in non-militaristic ways.

Russia is one of those barbaric countries that doesn't care about diplomacy, it's a rabid dog that only understands force and thinks it's entitled to create a Soviet Union 2.

We're all barbaric countries if you look at the historical record. We need to move past the barbarism and try to negotiate problems or else we're all going to end up incinerated. Weaponry has become too sophisticated for us to continue solving problems with war.

Russia is far more barbaric than the US has ever been. Just ask anyone in continental Europe.

[Gary Childress]

Russia is one of those barbaric countries that doesn't care about diplomacy, it's a rabid dog that only understands force and thinks it's entitled to create a Soviet Union 2.

We're all barbaric countries if you look at the historical record. We need to move past the barbarism and try to negotiate problems or else we're all going to end up incinerated. Weaponry has become too sophisticated for us to continue solving problems with war.

Russia is far more barbaric than the US has ever been. Just ask anyone in continental Europe.

Should I ask the Germans? We're all human beings and we're all capable of barbarism under the wrong circumstances. We need to move past our moral sanctimony and try to solve problems diplomatically.

[Immanuel Can]

So the Dems started the war, thank you for the obvious fact.

Nobody else was in charge of NATO. Nobody else is supposed to be trying to settle the war and is not, either. As the saying goes, "By their deeds you shall know them.

Now let's add inside information, from a Democrat who should know better than anybody. "https://www.youtube.com/shorts/kPnqia2gt_8

(Dont' worry...I already know you'll claim she doesn't count. But the truth is, the contrary opinion actually doesn't.)

[Immanuel Can]

Give Alaska to Putin, that should placate them for a while.

OK. Wouldn't negotiating a less radical peaceful settlement be better/more realistic?

Okay, then answer the question that IC ran away from.

You're right. I "ran away from it," because it was so terrifying dumb...and dishonest, too, since it in no way represented anything I had said.

Explain to the Ukrainians why they should give up on the occupied parts of their country?

Yep, that's the one. You're going to answer your own dumb question for yourself. I'm not owning some script you try to write for me.