They see gender pay gap as a problem but ...

[godelian]

Let's first consider the following biological law:

Briffault's law

The female, not the male, determines all the conditions of the animal family. Where the female can derive no benefit from association with the male, no such association takes place. — Robert Briffault, The Mothers. Vol. I, p. 191

In humanity, Briffault's law leads to hypergamy:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypergamy

In a 2016 paper that explored the income difference between couples in 1980 and 2012, researcher Yue Qian noted that the tendency for women to marry men with higher incomes than themselves still persists in the modern era.

After decades of combating the gender wage gap, it has finally shrunk below 10%:

https://www.pewresearch.org/social-tren ... er-pay-gap

A good share of the increase in the gender pay gap takes place when women are between the ages of 35 and 44. In 2022, women ages 25 to 34 earned about 92% as much as men of the same ages.

Can women still find suitable mates nowadays, without much of a gender wage gap?

https://www.independent.co.uk/life-styl ... 98956.html

Lack of ‘economically-attractive’ men to blame for decline in marriage rates, study suggests. Authors say many young men have 'little to bring to the marriage bargain'. Researchers found that the estimated potential husbands had an average income that was 58 per cent higher than the actual amount unmarried men earn.

Without gender pay gap, family formation and sexual reproduction gradually come to a halt.

But then again, is this truly a problem?

Is there really a need to perpetuate a society that is based on self-destructive false beliefs?

According to Schumpeter's notion of creative destruction, companies do not learn or improve. They get destroyed and get replaced by better companies.

In my opinion, the same holds true for entire societies. There is no point in trying to improve a society. It is not even useful to do that. A society based on false beliefs will simply get destroyed and get replaced by a better society. Hence, I am not in favor of advocating any improvement to the western society or trying to debunk its false beliefs.

Schumpeter's theory suggests that the best solution strategy for a societal problem is to simply "let it rot". It is from the ashes of western civilization that the real solution will arise.

[Astro Cat]

Let's first consider the following biological law:

Briffault's law

The female, not the male, determines all the conditions of the animal family. Where the female can derive no benefit from association with the male, no such association takes place. — Robert Briffault, The Mothers. Vol. I, p. 191

In humanity, Briffault's law leads to hypergamy:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypergamy

In a 2016 paper that explored the income difference between couples in 1980 and 2012, researcher Yue Qian noted that the tendency for women to marry men with higher incomes than themselves still persists in the modern era.

After decades of combating the gender wage gap, it has finally shrunk below 10%:

https://www.pewresearch.org/social-tren ... er-pay-gap

A good share of the increase in the gender pay gap takes place when women are between the ages of 35 and 44. In 2022, women ages 25 to 34 earned about 92% as much as men of the same ages.

Can women still find suitable mates nowadays, without much of a gender wage gap?

https://www.independent.co.uk/life-styl ... 98956.html

Lack of ‘economically-attractive’ men to blame for decline in marriage rates, study suggests. Authors say many young men have 'little to bring to the marriage bargain'. Researchers found that the estimated potential husbands had an average income that was 58 per cent higher than the actual amount unmarried men earn.

Without gender pay gap, family formation and sexual reproduction gradually come to a halt.

But then again, is this truly a problem?

Is there really a need to perpetuate a society that is based on self-destructive false beliefs?

According to Schumpeter's notion of creative destruction, companies do not learn or improve. They get destroyed and get replaced by better companies.

In my opinion, the same holds true for entire societies. There is no point in trying to improve a society. It is not even useful to do that. A society based on false beliefs will simply get destroyed and get replaced by a better society. Hence, I am not in favor of advocating any improvement to the western society or trying to debunk its false beliefs.

Schumpeter's theory suggests that the best solution strategy for a societal problem is to simply "let it rot". It is from the ashes of western civilization that the real solution will arise.

One wonders what your point even is if you throw your arms up and say "whatever, it'll address itself."

There is not a problem with a pay gap if it's by informed choice.

Sometimes it is: some women take on roles that deliberately aren't long-term because they wish to take on tradwife roles when marrying. That is fine as long as it's their informed choice. (Is it always an informed, non-coerced choice? I doubt it. So this statement is more philosophically distinct than it might sound at first glance).

However, outside of those cases, there should not be a gender pay gap. But there is. And there is evidence that this sort of pay gap comes from explicit and implicit bias (we can see this when we look at how potential employers might adopt the same resume with a masculine or feminine name at the top).

This is what's the problem. And I'll go ahead and disagree with you about whether we should "try to improve society," we absolutely should.

[godelian]

However, outside of those cases, there should not be a gender pay gap.

Well, only if women were not hypergamous. The truth is that they are.

In absence of a sizeable pay gap the average man is economically not interesting to the average woman.

Is that a problem?

No, because it fits straight into the great replacement theory. Anti-natalist populations are supposed to get replaced by natalist ones anyway.

[FlashDangerpants]

Well, only if women were not hypergamous. The truth is that they are.

You are an old dirty bastard sex tourist that rents 3rd world wives on temporary contracts, the women you meet have no choice except hypergamy. It's a mistake to hastily generalise from your sordid experiences.

[Astro Cat]

Well, only if women were not hypergamous. The truth is that they are.

You are an old dirty bastard sex tourist that rents 3rd world wives on temporary contracts, the women you meet have no choice except hypergamy. It's a mistake to hastily generalise from your sordid experiences.

I feel like there is a conversational history to this.

[FlashDangerpants]

Well, only if women were not hypergamous. The truth is that they are.

You are an old dirty bastard sex tourist that rents 3rd world wives on temporary contracts, the women you meet have no choice except hypergamy. It's a mistake to hastily generalise from your sordid experiences.

I feel like there is a conversational history to this.

He's quite proud of himself. He's a convert to Islam I think and has found that wandering SE Asia as a passport bro with a bunch of bitcoin, he is able to use some special Islamic temporary marriage contract to purchase young women from their families until such time as he wants to give them back. He doesn't think this sounds creepy at all.

[Astro Cat]

He's quite proud of himself. He's a convert to Islam I think and has found that wandering SE Asia as a passport bro with a bunch of bitcoin, he is able to use some special Islamic temporary marriage contract to purchase young women from their families until such time as he wants to give them back. He doesn't think this sounds creepy at all.

I don't want to live on this planet anymore.

[godelian]

You are an old dirty bastard sex tourist that rents 3rd world wives on temporary contracts, the women you meet have no choice except hypergamy. It's a mistake to hastily generalise from your sordid experiences.

I feel like there is a conversational history to this.

He's quite proud of himself. He's a convert to Islam I think and has found that wandering SE Asia as a passport bro with a bunch of bitcoin, he is able to use some special Islamic temporary marriage contract to purchase young women from their families until such time as he wants to give them back. He doesn't think this sounds creepy at all.

You are getting replaced. Nature does not like you. So, disappear already.

[godelian]

He's quite proud of himself. He's a convert to Islam I think and has found that wandering SE Asia as a passport bro with a bunch of bitcoin, he is able to use some special Islamic temporary marriage contract to purchase young women from their families until such time as he wants to give them back. He doesn't think this sounds creepy at all.

I don't want to live on this planet anymore.

Well, the scriptures insist that people who do not like the scriptures must make place for people who do like them. Hence, your feelings are entirely correct.

[FlashDangerpants]

I feel like there is a conversational history to this.

He's quite proud of himself. He's a convert to Islam I think and has found that wandering SE Asia as a passport bro with a bunch of bitcoin, he is able to use some special Islamic temporary marriage contract to purchase young women from their families until such time as he wants to give them back. He doesn't think this sounds creepy at all.

You are getting replaced. Nature does not like you. So, disappear already.

how old is the wife you are renting today?

[godelian]

how old is the wife you are renting today?

You have no husband because you cannot keep a man. No man wants to stick around. That is also why you have no children, unless you raise them alone, which I doubt, because you are too self-centered for that. Your parents are ashamed of having raised a useless spinster. So, when you die, who will even care? Your cats? You are the example case of a useless and failed life, after which you will burn in hell.

I can easily get a woman, or even several, to raise children with me. You cannot possibly ever get a man to stick around long enough to suffer your obnoxious behavior. So, instead of being jealous of the fact that I am biologically successful while you are a complete biological failure, why don't you acquiesce and accept the fact that only Satan is waiting for you in hell?

[Astro Cat]

This is abject psychopathy

[godelian]

This is abject psychopathy

There is the objective notion of biological success and biological failure.

As a biologically successful individual, why should I take any shit from a biologically failed individual that is useless and worthless and consuming resources and breathing air for no good reason at all?

We need the air for more useful purposes!

If nobody from the opposite sex can stand such person , where does that person find the temerity to open their big mouth and criticize others who succeed where they have miserably failed?

If you cannot get a man to suffer your obnoxious presence for longer than than the five minutes of a one-night stand, where do you find the audacity to criticize anybody else?

[godelian]

He's quite proud of himself. He's a convert to Islam

Of course, I am proud that everything I do, is halal, i.e. permissible according to religious moral theory. Do you really believe that I want to burn in hell like you? Because that is exactly where you will end up with your cheap one-night stands.

[Astro Cat]

This is abject psychopathy

There is the objective notion of biological success and biological failure.

As a biologically successful individual, why should I take any shit from a biologically failed individual that is useless and worthless and consuming resources and breathing air for no good reason at all?

We need the air for more useful purposes!

If nobody from the opposite sex can stand such person , where does that person find the temerity to open their big mouth and criticize others who succeed where they have miserably failed?

If you cannot get a man to suffer your obnoxious presence for longer than than the five minutes of a one-night stand, where do you find the audacity to criticize anybody else?

1) Do you think people that don't reproduce have no value or worth? Do you think they should die?

2) If the worth you find in people is sheerly biological (and we judge them by "biological success") do you not see the existential horror of existing simply to make more people (who exist to make more people)?

3) You seem to imply that "biological success" makes someone beyond reproach ("if you cannot get a man... where do you find the audacity to criticize anyone else?"). Have you not considered that someone's views might be reprehensible regardless of their ability to procure a mate? Can you imagine that some grotesque people in history (and even now) have successfully attracted mates?