Meaning?

[attofishpi]

Biology is the measure and the meaning of all things. In the absence of a biological, read-conscious subject, the world is utterly meaningless.

FFS popeye - The ultimate science we have is physics - IT is the measure that GIVES any "meaning" to these "all things"/

Biology is the 3rd tier (after chemistry)

Your conclusion that absent of conciousness the world (*lets state the universe*) is utterly meaningless requires you to provide that CONSCIOUNESS has meaning,

Go ahead.

What I think you will find is that "popeye1945" is just stating is that only considering/thinking beings create 'meaning', or create 'the meaning of things'. Therefore, and please correct me if I am wrong here "popeye1945", if thinking beings were never to come to exist or just stopped existing, then 'meaning' would also not have come to exist, or would also just stop existing.

In other words, only when you biological thinking beings, called human beings, 'give, or create, 'meaning', then and only then 'meaning' exists.

Wow! Give yourself and popeye 10/10 points for working out that (biological) conscious minds are required to contemplate any meaning to life.

As I have already pointed out, this is not addressing what Harbal is enquiring in the OP. You have both failed in the quest of the thread.

[Age]

You miss my point, that you have circled back to what the context Harbal in his OP has asked without actually providing an answer. Sure, conscious minds are required to quiz the "meaning of life" - but you still haven't answered that question.

This is why I don't start many threads: I ask a question, and everybody answers a different one. Maybe I'm just not very good at explaining things. Still, as long as folks are turning up for a chat, that's something.

Yes, I hear ya - my 1st June March for British Freedoms thread has turned into me be called a racist and a pedophile (the accusers providing NO evidence)

Well this is an obvious lie.

- we are no longer allowed to be proud of our British heritage - we are classed as "right wing" and racists - ridiculous.

No one should ever be proud for a great deal of "british history" and/or "british value/s".

And, you calling for "others" to 'join us' is nothing more different than a "muslim" calling for "others" to 'join us', as well

you are being no different from 'them' here. All of you feel insecure about your beliefs and views and so are desperately trying to gain and obtain 'confirmation' for your own beliefs and views through support by a 'larger group'.

The 'bigger' the group/army is the only way you feel strong, and 'big', enough to 'fight', and even 'argue', against "your imagined opponents".

Again, you are all blinded by your own beliefs and views here that you cannot even see what has been and is happening and occurring here.

So! To remain on topic with what I just stated and not proving your point

The meaning of life is to be proud of being British (if you are not British, the meaning of life is to be proud of your own country\culture - IF you cannot feel proud of your country\culture then fix it!!)[/quote]

So, what you are, essentially, saying and meaning here is that if you are a "muslim", then be proud of that culture, and if the country you live within.

Which, obviously, goes completely against what you are 'currently' trying to do and achieve here, in this forum.

1st JUNE - British people unite, ALL races are welcome that believe in British values and culture..as stated in the video.

And, if you do not believe 100% in the exact same as "attofishpi's" interpretations of some so-called "british value and culture", then you should know what to do by now. But, if not, then just "attofishpi". As it will tell you exactly where you can go and what you can do.

Oh, is now a good time to mention that "attofishpi" lacks believe in "british value", "itself", that it has chosen to remove "itself" from living within 'those values' and 'that culture' and has decided to live in another country and another culture. But, then again, maybe it is trying to do what it claims "muslims" are trying to do here. That is; introduce its own values and culture into another country and onto that other countries citizens.

The hypocrisy here by "attofishpi" just keeps growing bigger.

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[attofishpi]

Fuck off and get banned.

[Age]

FFS popeye - The ultimate science we have is physics - IT is the measure that GIVES any "meaning" to these "all things"/

Biology is the 3rd tier (after chemistry)

Your conclusion that absent of conciousness the world (*lets state the universe*) is utterly meaningless requires you to provide that CONSCIOUNESS has meaning,

Go ahead.

What I think you will find is that "popeye1945" is just stating is that only considering/thinking beings create 'meaning', or create 'the meaning of things'. Therefore, and please correct me if I am wrong here "popeye1945", if thinking beings were never to come to exist or just stopped existing, then 'meaning' would also not have come to exist, or would also just stop existing.

In other words, only when you biological thinking beings, called human beings, 'give, or create, 'meaning', then and only then 'meaning' exists.

Wow! Give yourself and popeye 10/10 points for working out that (biological) conscious minds are required to contemplate any meaning to life.

As I have already pointed out, this is not addressing what Harbal is enquiring in the OP. You have both failed in the quest of the thread.

1. you have obviously missed my words here, again.

2. Now that you have, finally, understood what was being pointed out to you would you like to give "yourself" some points?

3. Do you believe you have addressed what "harbal" was enquiring about?

If yes, then do you also believe "harbal" would agree with you here?

[Age]

Fuck off and get banned.

you, really, hate having your views and/or beliefs challenged. And, you, really, detest even more when you are shown and proved to be Wrong, contradictory, and/or hypocritical here.

[attofishpi]

Fuck off and get banned.

you, really, hate having your views and/or beliefs challenged. And, you, really, detest even more when you are shown and proved to be Wrong, contradictory, and/or hypocritical here.

Nah, I love being challenged. I hate it when someone that is clearly devoid of any intellectual capacity keeps attempting to waste my time with their poorly reasoned crap (you and your crap).

Haven't you ever wondered why most people ignore you? It's not because as you keep stating that everything you say is "irrefutable proof" - it's because you are an idiot (that never has proven anything ever on this forum).

[iambiguous]

Fuck off and get banned.

you, really, hate having your views and/or beliefs challenged. And, you, really, detest even more when you are shown and proved to be Wrong, contradictory, and/or hypocritical here.

Hear! Hear!

Only I call them objectivists. The Satyr Syndrome in other words.

[popeye1945]

God, theology, has become a "club" concept. You're either a voluntary member or not. For those who are not, no diminishment is felt regarding meaning, purpose or anything else; life goes on without any god references applied to it. God only exists as a psychological knot in one's psyche, too simplistic to be of any importance to philosophy.

EXCELLENT!

[attofishpi]

God, theology, has become a "club" concept. You're either a voluntary member or not. For those who are not, no diminishment is felt regarding meaning, purpose or anything else; life goes on without any god references applied to it. God only exists as a psychological knot in one's psyche, too simplistic to be of any importance to philosophy.

Pfff wow. Consideration of God is the key to what philosophy means: Love of Wisdom.

Whether or not God exists is the greatest question civilised wo/man has in the back of their minds.

[popeye1945]

The question is a nonsense question, as a product of the imagination, a fantasy can never be dealt with as a proper subject of a philosophy forum. One knows ahead of time it is going to be unproductive. I'm not sure everyone here understands how meaning comes about, nor what further one could say about it. The religious at a philosophical forum rather degrades it, it is always a no-starter.

[attofishpi]

The question is a nonsense question, as a product of the imagination, a fantasy can never be dealt with as a proper subject of a philosophy forum. One knows ahead of time it is going to be unproductive. I'm not sure everyone here understands how meaning comes about, nor what further one could say about it. The religious at a philosophical forum rather degrades it, it is always a no-starter.

Atheists spend more time quizzing about God on this forum than the theists.

BTW: I have provided beyond reasonable doubt evidence of the existence of God here: viewtopic.php?t=41324

Of course popeye, you need to be reasonable and actually read the argument from start to finish to have an opinion.

[popeye1945]

Then so is my question.

You do not wish to discuss meaning in general?

No. I'm just a bit fed up with being told that if I don't believe in God, life/existence must have no meaning for me. Well I just wanted to know what meaning it has when you believe in God.

The way I understand it is that the religious have a sense of meaning, but it is a kind of bazaar comfort in the fantasy. I think it works something like a drug, it feels good, and that is the rationale. They form a feel-good community around them. Pleasant experience I would think, but without any intellectual integrity.

[popeye1945]

Biology is the measure and the meaning of all things. In the absence of a biological, read-conscious subject, the world is utterly meaningless.

FFS popeye - The ultimate science we have is physics - IT is the measure that GIVES any "meaning" to these "all things"/

Biology is the 3rd tier (after chemistry)

Your conclusion that absent of consciousness the world (*lets state the universe*) is utterly meaningless requires you to provide that CONSCIOUSNESS has meaning,

Go ahead.

What I think you will find is that "popeye1945" is just stating is that only considering/thinking beings create 'meaning', or create 'the meaning of things'. Therefore, and please correct me if I am wrong here "popeye1945", if thinking beings were never to come to exist or just stopped existing, then 'meaning' would also not have come to exist, or would also just stop existing.

In other words, only when you biological thinking beings, called human beings, 'give, or create, 'meaning', then and only then 'does meaning' exists.

Basically yes you've got it, but it is not particular to human beings. What the meaning is, is not about the reality that is out there but about what is out there and its effects or its alterations on the body. So, reality is only apparent, it is not about knowing the true object but is a biological readout of how it affects you.

[Age]

Fuck off and get banned.

you, really, hate having your views and/or beliefs challenged. And, you, really, detest even more when you are shown and proved to be Wrong, contradictory, and/or hypocritical here.

Nah, I love being challenged. I hate it when someone that is clearly devoid of any intellectual capacity keeps attempting to waste my time with their poorly reasoned crap (you and your crap).

Haven't you ever wondered why most people ignore you? It's not because as you keep stating that everything you say is "irrefutable proof" - it's because you are an idiot (that never has proven anything ever on this forum).

But I have never once thought, let alone stated, that everything I say is irrefutable proof.

Why did you even begin to presume such a thing as this?

Have you proven anything ever here?

If yes, then what was that or it, exactly?

[Age]

God, theology, has become a "club" concept. You're either a voluntary member or not. For those who are not, no diminishment is felt regarding meaning, purpose or anything else; life goes on without any god references applied to it. God only exists as a psychological knot in one's psyche, too simplistic to be of any importance to philosophy.

Pfff wow. Consideration of God is the key to what philosophy means: Love of Wisdom.

If 'phil-o-sophy' means love of wisdom, then what does 'ped-o-phile' mean?

And, considering this thread is about 'meaning', itself, who, exactly, is 'giving' that word, 'that meaning'?

Is it possible, to you, that different words, have different 'meanings', to different people?

Whether or not God exists is the greatest question civilised wo/man has in the back of their minds.

But, you so-called "men" and "women" do not have 'your' minds.

There is only One Mind, and coincidentally that Mind is just what the word God means, or is referring to, exactly, also. Well that is God in the invisible, or Spiritual, sense anyway.