Let's talk about parallel universe...

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billssw wrote: Tue Apr 16, 2024 1:52 pm Parallel universe is a real tricky topic,
So simplify it. You don't even know what you mean by "independent", yet you add even more complexity by adding more universes.

Stick to this universe.
billssw wrote: Tue Apr 16, 2024 1:52 pm for example, whether it is " INDEPENDENT parallel universe " or " ALL-CONNECTED cross universe" ,etc....
Are there independent parallel atoms; or an ALL-CONNECTED universe?
Are there independent parallel quantum particles and fields; or an ALL-CONNECTED universe?

How would anything be different if we were mistaken about the (in?)dependence?
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I can't think of anything to say about parallel universes. What is there to say? 🤔
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Harbal wrote: Tue Apr 16, 2024 3:30 pm I can't think of anything to say about parallel universes. What is there to say? 🤔
You could say they are parallel.
You could also say they are universes.
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if independent parallel parking is simply stopping in the middle of the road, no one will get anywhere fairly soon

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Skepdick wrote: Tue Apr 16, 2024 3:59 pm
Harbal wrote: Tue Apr 16, 2024 3:30 pm I can't think of anything to say about parallel universes. What is there to say? 🤔
You could say they are parallel.
You could also say they are universes.
Those things have already been said, and I can't think of anything useful to add.
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Harbal wrote: Tue Apr 16, 2024 4:18 pm
Skepdick wrote: Tue Apr 16, 2024 3:59 pm
Harbal wrote: Tue Apr 16, 2024 3:30 pm I can't think of anything to say about parallel universes. What is there to say? 🤔
You could say they are parallel.
You could also say they are universes.
Those things have already been said, and I can't think of anything useful to add.
There is a universe where IC is considerate, empathetic and even funny. Imagine that.
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billssw wrote: Tue Apr 16, 2024 1:52 pm Parallel universe is a real tricky topic, for example, whether it is " INDEPENDENT parallel universe " or " ALL-CONNECTED cross universe" ,etc....
All jokes aside, the all-connected cross universe topic is pretty high level philosophy. Where even the human mind is a complex multiversal structure, its parts stretched across the multiverse or rather a hierarchy of multiverses, yet we perceive ourselves to be in one universe always.
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In the infinite, cold cosmic vacuum there are billions multiplied by billions
"parallel" gravity universes (like our Earth, or the Solar system, or the Milky Way)
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billssw wrote: Tue Apr 16, 2024 1:52 pm Parallel universe is a real tricky topic, for example, whether it is " INDEPENDENT parallel universe " or " ALL-CONNECTED cross universe" ,etc....
There is only One Universe, ONLY.

So, there is no wonder why any talk of a so-called 'parallel universe' would be a 'real tricky topic'.
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As can be clearly seen here, some people imagine some things, and then speak as though what they have imagined to be true is actually true.

Self-delusion was far more common, back in the days when this was being written.
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billssw wrote: Sun Apr 21, 2024 12:12 pm 7 dimensions:
The 7th dimension is an infinite space-time universe with infinite dark matter and dark energy, which corresponds to the limited dark matter and dark energy in our 6-dimensional classical finite space-time universe. If the 7th dimension is an infinite icy ocean, then our 6-dimensional classical universe is just This is just a small and limited small ice ball !
I also think that we live in an at least 6-7 dimensional world, but I think it's premature to say that infinite dark matter and dark energy belong to any higher dimension. Because we can't even see our entire universe in 4 dimensions. Beyond the edge of the observable 4D universe but still within our 4D universe, things could change wildly, which could counteract all the imbalance we see in the observable universe: balance the matter-antimatter asymmetry, balance the gravity-dark energy asymmetry, maybe also make entropy universally constant (I'm assuming here that symmetry is the ultimate axiom). And dark matter could just be WIMPs after all. A 7th dimension could be more like infinite everything.
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billssw wrote: Wed May 01, 2024 6:56 am
Atla wrote: Wed Apr 24, 2024 5:11 am
billssw wrote: Sun Apr 21, 2024 12:12 pm 7 dimensions:
The 7th dimension is an infinite space-time universe with infinite dark matter and dark energy, which corresponds to the limited dark matter and dark energy in our 6-dimensional classical finite space-time universe. If the 7th dimension is an infinite icy ocean, then our 6-dimensional classical universe is just This is just a small and limited small ice ball !
I also think that we live in an at least 6-7 dimensional world, but I think it's premature to say that infinite dark matter and dark energy belong to any higher dimension. Because we can't even see our entire universe in 4 dimensions. Beyond the edge of the observable 4D universe but still within our 4D universe, things could change wildly, which could counteract all the imbalance we see in the observable universe: balance the matter-antimatter asymmetry, balance the gravity-dark energy asymmetry, maybe also make entropy universally constant (I'm assuming here that symmetry is the ultimate axiom). And dark matter could just be WIMPs after all. A 7th dimension could be more like infinite everything.
Sir, thanks for your conductive common, dark matter is also " infinite everything " itself.
Sometimes we better think things " in a simple way" rather than " complicate way ".
English has one saying " SIMPLE IS THE BEST" .
Dark matter has probably nothing to do with "infinite everything".
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billssw wrote: Wed May 01, 2024 7:01 am
Age wrote: Tue Apr 23, 2024 11:55 pm As can be clearly seen here, some people imagine some things, and then speak as though what they have imagined to be true is actually true.

Self-delusion was far more common, back in the days when this was being written.
Thanks for your common Sir, it helps me alot
How does my comment here help you a lot, exactly?
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Atla wrote: Wed May 01, 2024 7:45 am
billssw wrote: Wed May 01, 2024 6:56 am
Atla wrote: Wed Apr 24, 2024 5:11 am
I also think that we live in an at least 6-7 dimensional world, but I think it's premature to say that infinite dark matter and dark energy belong to any higher dimension. Because we can't even see our entire universe in 4 dimensions. Beyond the edge of the observable 4D universe but still within our 4D universe, things could change wildly, which could counteract all the imbalance we see in the observable universe: balance the matter-antimatter asymmetry, balance the gravity-dark energy asymmetry, maybe also make entropy universally constant (I'm assuming here that symmetry is the ultimate axiom). And dark matter could just be WIMPs after all. A 7th dimension could be more like infinite everything.
Sir, thanks for your conductive common, dark matter is also " infinite everything " itself.
Sometimes we better think things " in a simple way" rather than " complicate way ".
English has one saying " SIMPLE IS THE BEST" .
Dark matter has probably nothing to do with "infinite everything".
What even is 'infinite everything'?

And, as for the made up 'dark matter' term it is just like the made up 'multiverse' term.

Some people just cannot comprehend and understand what the, infinite and eternal, Universe is made up of, exactly, and how It works, exactly, so terms, with impossible definitions, are made up in an attempt to deflect away from the Fact that some people cannot even begin to start to explain their beliefs.

These are just more examples of the way these adult human beings, back then, were deceiving "themselves".
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billssw wrote: Wed May 01, 2024 11:01 am
Atla wrote: Wed May 01, 2024 7:45 am
billssw wrote: Wed May 01, 2024 6:56 am

Sir, thanks for your conductive common, dark matter is also " infinite everything " itself.
Sometimes we better think things " in a simple way" rather than " complicate way ".
English has one saying " SIMPLE IS THE BEST" .
Dark matter has probably nothing to do with "infinite everything".

Sir, thanks for your sincerely reply , i will take it seriously.


Psychologically speaking, there are only two opposites in this world, one is " myself " and the other is "other people ".

Regarding the "other people" here, we don't need to deliberately subdivide them into such as good people, bad people, black people, white people, yellow people, happy people, sad people, men, women, tall people, short people, fat people, thin people, vegetarian people, exercise people, generous people, careful people, old people, adults, young people, etc...

We only need to simplify the complex and reduce it to "other people". This is truth, goodness and beauty. If we really want to subdivide it deliberately, we may be able to divide it into ten million, one hundred million or even infinite names, but this has no meaning at all.

The above "other people" can be substituted as "dark matter", and the above "infinite names" are "infinite everything".

Precisely because "dark matter" is "unknown thing", just like "x" in algebra, we can flexibly refer to it as "infinite everything".
Ignorant, nonsensical word salad. Dark matter is very far from being a universal concept.
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