seeds wrote: ↑Thu Apr 04, 2024 8:21 pm
Furthermore, allow me to add numbers
10 and 11 to your list...
VA and seeds wrote:- One origin of the conception of God arise from the following;
1. Insanity, various mental illnesses
2. Hallucination
3. Hallucinogens
4. Brain Damage
5. Various drugs
6. Traumatic Stress
7. Old age
8. driven by an existential crisis
9. etc.
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10. Some humans are more psychically sensitive to the fact that, like a fetus within its mother's womb, we are immersed within the living fabric of God's being. And because we cannot yet see or comprehend the ontological status of this Being,...
(as seen from the outside of this grand "cosmic womb")
...we conjure up speculative visions of what its possible form and intentions might be.
11. Actual (but limited) divine inspiration.
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12. etc.
Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Fri Apr 05, 2024 2:59 am
Your point 10 & 11 has its origin in any of the elements in 1-9 & 12.
Nonsense!
Again, all you are doing is demonstrating your fear of entertaining hypothetical scenarios that, if found to be plausible, would destroy the nihilistic (meaningless/purposeless) vision of reality you are so deeply and emotionally invested in.
Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Fri Apr 05, 2024 2:59 am
Note the following;
1.
Kant's vision and mission cover the totality of the following;
- 1. What can we Know - epistemology of all there is
2. What can we do - morality - act optimally
3. What can we hope for - perpetual peace [of well-being] from 1 & 2
4. If 3 not sufficient, interactive 1->3.
The above do not ignore the belief in an illusory God as real [impossible], but only as a useful illusion for therapeutic purposes within 1 to 3 and is relative to specific conditions and time [present not future].
I hate to do this,...
(who am I kidding, I love to do this)
...but in your constant reference to Kant (PBUH), you've forced me to resort to my feeble (and juvenile) attempts at humor and resurrect a slightly modified post from a few years back...
seeds wrote: ↑Wed Dec 08, 2021 11:32 pm
It's probably just me and my silly attitude about things, but I cannot help but believe that it's wiser to
stand on the shoulders of past giants in order to see what lies above and beyond them, as opposed to playing the role of an adoring little nephew who prefers to stay in a perpetual piggy-back ride with his hero, "Uncle Kant"...
Uncle Kant says: "Little V, you just ignore that mean old Mr. seeds and only listen to me."
Little V: "Okay Uncle K, you're my bestest hero, cuz you know everything. Umm,....I think I poo'ed my pants."
Uncle Kant: "Aww, that's okay little V,...so did I,....so did I."
Come on you little rascal - snap out of it - and crawl up onto Uncle Kant's shoulders and make an effort to see above and beyond this fallible human.
You need to stop inhaling Uncle Kant's
B.O., for it seems to have had some sort of mesmerizing (imprinting) effect on you and has severely impaired your ability to think and reason on your own.
Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Fri Apr 05, 2024 2:59 am
2.
Buddhism's 4NT-8FP is a Life Problem Solving Technique.
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that enhances the well-being and flourishing of the individual[s] and humanity.
3. Other secular self & group development Programs.
Are you aware of the theistic related therapeutic purposes for yourself to soothe the existential crisis that is inherent in ALL humans but modulated and managed effectively in some [non-theists]?
How many different ways are you going to prove to me that your core philosophy is that of, again,
pure existential nihilism?
For the life of me, I cannot fathom why you would think that humanity would be better off (at least in some future context) if everyone believed that there was no higher moral authority presiding over the universe, or that there was no higher eternal purpose for us as individuals.
Indeed, even Kant seems to have suggested that higher visions of reality (and that of a higher Being) were useful (even necessary) as a sort of moral
"northern star," so to speak, to reference in order to help keep human morality in check.
And, sure, we could use a new and better interpretation of what that
"northern star" might be, so as to eliminate the clutter of divisive (and warring) world religions.
However, I simply find it difficult to imagine how the universal adoption of, say, Buddhist tenets, or some other nihilistic (Godless/secular) vision of reality (again, sometime in the future),...
...would not simply justify and embolden the rise of even more of the Kim Jong Uns, and Putins, and Trumps of the world
-- evil, power-hungry, despotic humans
-- who...
(under the terms of actual nihilism, were it literally true)
...would have even less reason not to simply do whatever they want, to whomever they want, because they would have no fear of being judged and punished by a nonexistent deity.
Indeed, I believe the above had something to do with why Kant (PBUH) stated the following...
"I have therefore found it necessary to deny knowledge in order to make room for faith."
Considering the near immutability of human nature, at what point in the distant future do you suppose the sentiment expressed in that quote would no longer apply?
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