Sex and the Religious-Left

[Alexis Jacobi]

Dubious, are you really such a masochist that you insist on provoking me to beat on you?!? I have compassion for your malady and hold back. Yet is it that you need a beating?! Why?! What will you get out of it?

If you provide me with a sound reason I will try to oblige you. But if not I think I will avoid taking you up.

Please understand.

[Gary Childress]

But the desire to murder is in a different category than •inappropriate or destructive use of sexuality•.

Murder is actually destructive. Many expressions of sexuality, whether hetero or homosexual, aren't.

To discriminate about untoward sexual expressions is entirely ethical — but it does depend on one’s principles (and their foundation).

Other people's sex lives, if they're consensual, not pedophilia and not harming others, is not a moral issue. It's overreach. It's not your or my business what others decide to do consensually with each other in intimate moments.

But they must not be allowed to suggest or insist that their proclivity, their life-style, and their unions, are equal to and on the same plane as heterosexual unions (that produce families).

A person who doesn't have children for good reason is just as noble as someone who does have children for good reason. There are over 7 billion people in the world and the climate and ecosystems are going to crash if it's kept up. There is no danger of running out of human beings and no need to encourage reproduction. The only ones worried about replacement rates are people who are worried that those filling in are somehow not the same species as any other human being.

It is a moral problem when use of sexuality is separated from the heterosexual couple in a productive union.

So literally just having sex with a person of the same sex is just wrong and ought to be discouraged, even if it's consensual among both or all participants? What difference does it make? As long as it isn't pedophilia, then what's the problem? Is it a moral problem if someone uses a salad fork to eat the main course? Or if they pry open a tin can with a crowbar instead of a can opener?

[Dubious]

Dubious, are you really such a masochist that you insist on provoking me to beat on you?!? I have compassion for your malady and hold back. Yet is it that you need a beating?! Why?! What will you get out of it?

If you provide me with a sound reason I will try to oblige you. But if not I think I will avoid taking you up.

Please understand.

Please don't hold back; release yourself from any such tension; a compressed spring begs to be released at some point. I expect to be thoroughly condemned to perennial silence by some nuclear response from you. Go for it! I'm ready to receive.

[Harbal]

I definitely have sympathies for one •born gay•. That is why I say they must be tolerated.

But they must not be allowed to suggest or insist that their proclivity, their life-style, and their unions, are equal to and on the same plane as heterosexual unions (that produce families).

So where do heterosexual unions that do not produce families fit into this hierarchy of yours? Are they on a slightly lower plane than heterosexual unions that produce families, but above homosexual unions?

What would be the penalty for a homosexual who dare claim his proclivity and life style was on a plane that he wasn't entitled to?

Would homosexuals pay less tax than heterosexuals, to reflect their reduced entitlements in society?

What plane would bisexuals occupy?

I'm guessing there would be a fixed penalty fine for anybody caught masturbating, along with a three strikes and you're out policy.

And what's to be done about unauthorised erections, may I ask?

[Alexis Jacobi]

Stupidities, Harbal.

[Harbal]

Stupidities, Harbal.

What sort of response do you expect to insanity?

[Dubious]

I definitely have sympathies for one •born gay•. That is why I say they must be tolerated.

Those born gay do not require your sympathy; least of all do they require your toleration, as if it derived from nothing more than your own good will.

There are also plenty of gays who produced much more than simply another human, which takes almost no time to produce from the male side of the equation.

[Iwannaplato]

Stupidities, Harbal.

They weren't that. If there are hierarchies and the criterion is the production of children, those are valid questions. So far, it would in fact entail that childless heterosexual couples would be tolerated also, but considered less ideal. Parents with two children or, horrors, one child, also tolerated but not ideal. Even though the population keeps going up regardless. Protestantism would be tolerated, since we are tolerant despite them tending to have less children than Catholic families. Non-theists like Wizard would be tolerated, even though they tend to have less children. And if Wizard has only one child, well, we'll tolerate him more than we tolerate the childless and the gays, unless the gays have more children than he does. Values don't just lead to one level in a hierarchy, if they value hierarchies, they lead to many levels.

There is a natural tendency to want less children when health care improves and starvation is reduced. Toss in urbanization, and the tendency is even stronger, regardless of prior culture/religion - there will be differences, but nearly all groups will have less children. They don't need the child labor. They know it is very unlikely they will lose half or some signification portion of their children.

And, then, again, what is the reason we have to increase the population at the same rate we have in earlier decades? Isn't increase enough?

[Dubious]

And what's to be done about unauthorised erections, may I ask?

Please fill out this ten-page request form declaring why you should have one.

One to three months confirmation time required.

[Wizard22]

What is the "Natural" Consequence of your or anybody's sex drive?

To have children, to successfully reproduce.


But that's just the beginning. Nature is about Competition. And it's a type of competition that nobody can ignore. You reproduce, or your genes/genetics go extinct. In Nature, male vs male competition is the Norm. Examine any and every Mammalian specie, and male conflict about mating-rites and rituals are commonplace. They're easy to observe. Yet, when it comes to Human Mammals, all of a sudden, Liberal-Leftists either pretend to think "the rules" (Nature) don't apply to them anymore, or worse, they know it does and they're lying about their positions. Or, they're simply stupid and ignorant. They don't know themselves. And they don't know nature. These ignorant types cannot really be 'helped', because they are more akin to Animal than Human. They're certainly not Philosophical or capable of learning, about themselves or Nature.

Because Nature applies directly to Humans, this means that most if not all other males, are fundamentally against your reproductive drive. Other males don't want you to reproduce. Just like I'm happy to see Dpants, Hairball, Sculptor not reproduce, because I don't want them in my society/tribe, and they too don't want me in their tribe. This is Politics. This is "racialist" genetic behavior, inherent in Nature, Mammals, and especially Humans. Human Males don't want other Males to reproduce. Once you accept this automatic, natural, obvious, common sense Fact, then you can proceed to understand these greater conversations, topics, and debates. Obviously, one group doesn't want other groups to Reproduce.

How would you stop males from reproducing, without being too obvious about your intentions?

You would promote Pornography, for your enemies, not for yourself.

You would promote Masturbation, for your enemies, not for yourself.

You would promote Prostitution, for your enemies, not for yourself.

You would promote Homosexuality, for your enemies, not for yourself.

You would promote Transexuality, for your enemies, not for yourself.

You would promote Paraphilia, for your enemies, not for yourself.

Etc.


Now that it's clear that these socio-political forces are aligned against you personally, it should make more sense why and how they exist as societal, political, religious, and cultural (Negative) forces. Human Males should not expect that a stranger 'wants me to win', or has my personal or genetic interests in mind. The only exception to this Rule, would be, hypothetically, a high-trust society, an ethnic/racial kinship, where "my family, my tribe, my kin" does have my interests in mind...because it's obvious that this is the baseline for Nature and Mammals anyway. Mammalian groups are loyal to their own, genetic kin, not that of their territorial neighbors and opponents. Because this is true for 100% of Mammalian species, it is 100% true of Human species.

And it plays out in threads like these. I don't want my opponents to reproduce or be sexually successful—and they don't want the same for me.

This is why Lying is so effective in Humanity, and so sophisticated. If a group of people pretend they care about other males, consider "Andrew Tate", and other Incel/MRA grifters here, "Pick Up Artists (PUA)", Etc. then it is a common scam in 2024. Abrahamic religions, Christianity, Judaism, Islam, are also scams, of epic proportions. Islam promises its followers, what, 40 virgins when they die for Allah while in Jihad???

Isn't the scam obvious?


Let's return to Iwan's original point—sex is about Control. Those who say or hint otherwise, are being deceitful. From this basis, even though many of us are at odds, personally, that doesn't mean that a philosophical conversation is fruitless or pointless. On the contrary, I can use my Opposition as evidence and proof of my claims.

[Wizard22]

Religions are particularly insidious, dangerous, and manipulative, when they assert to have "my genetic interests" in mind. This is why Abrahamic religions, major religions, are essentially no different in practice to Pick Up Artists (like Andrew Tate). Sub-cultures and Cults, form around charismatic men, who claim to care about other, non-familial, non ethnically-related men. They promise: "I want you, Gary, to be successful and reproduce", when, it's a Lie. They just want your money, your loyalty, your fealty, your vote, your devotion, your focus, your mind. These are methods of Postmodern Propaganda and Indoctrination that are prevalent throughout the entire World. Each culture has different (Per)versions of these tactics.

China and Japan will approach male sexuality different than...India, or Russia, or Greece, or Norway, or Spain, Etc.

Every country/ethnicity/race have degrees of kinship. Liberal-Leftists want to deny 'Race Realism' in order to obfuscate Nature and Competition, which gives this pernicious, evil ideology, an anti-cultural advantage. It disarms genetic hereditary and kinship. It 'steals away' a son from his father, or his tribe or clan. It promises a young man: "Free Sex".

And we can see that, in this thread here. Its most loyal proponents, Dpants, Scalper, Hairball... they want to dissuade their ethnic rivals and political opponents from reproducing, while they themselves withhold their own ideals and intentions. I want them to fail. They want me to fail. And these ideologies are at odds.


This is why the Religious-Left must be confronted and rebuked, if not altogether destroyed. They do not have my interests in mind. And I certainly do not have theirs in mind.

[Wizard22]

Consider the basis of the Religious-Left, "Free Sex"...

...isn't Sex the most Un-Free thing in the world? Doesn't it imply children? Doesn't it imply your Duty to provide for your children, for 18 years? That doesn't sound "Free" to me. It sounds like a pernicious, evil, cunning Lie. It sounds like they're trying to sell me something, that only a fool would take. It sounds to me, like poison.

I don't think the Religious-Left can work on intelligent people, who naturally understand the consequences of engaging Sex. Everybody is born with Heterosexual impulses, or, they'd go extinct. Therefore, people either reproduce and are Successful, or they do not, become extinct and are Failures. It is Natural, since Humans are Mammals, that individual males do not want other males to succeed... or one group/tribe/kinship would not want their direct competitors/neighbors to succeed. In other words, an individual male, himself, wants to have the 'best sexual choice' and deprive other males of the same.

The Religious-Left step in, at this impulse, and claim "there's enough Sex to go around", and it's "Free, maaan!" But these are simply not true. There's not enough sex to go around, when a small number of men can claim a large group of women as mates. And it's furthermore a lie that sex is "Free", or that it is not an active, on-going, ever-present competition.

That sex can be bought at all, purchased, is proof of the obvious. It should be Common Sense.


But those who excel in their craft of Lies, find it too easy to persuade and manipulate Western men, most of whom are sexually desperate, and can be easily led down back alleys and into disaster, for the promise of "free sex".

This is how Liberalism is the hook-line-and-sinker of the Religious-Left.

Liberation of the Sexual Drive and Impulse...free from "Duty, Honor, Responsibility, Consequence".


Free to...masturbate.

Free to...perform drag shows in front of children, with a sign "It Isn't Going To Lick Itself", and Hairball stepping in, claiming it means "ice cream".

Then he calls others "Sinister", without failing to realize his irony, his psychological projection.

[Harbal]

Other males don't want you to reproduce. Just like I'm happy to see Dpants, Hairball, Sculptor not reproduce,

Well it's too late, you obnoxious little numb skull, I've already reproduced.

[Wizard22]

Well it's too late, you obnoxious little numb skull, I've already reproduced.

How many beers did you have to feed her before managing that, pipsqueak?

[FlashDangerpants]

And if Wizard has only one child, well, we'll tolerate him more than we tolerate the childless and the gays, unless the gays have more children than he does.

There would also be eugenic reasons why somebody in Wizzard's condition would be discouraged from ever rearing young.