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Alexis Jacobi wrote: Mon Mar 18, 2024 12:23 pm The present Democrat régime has, beyond all doubt, proved itself a substantial danger to the republic and, necessarily, has provoked and stimulated a reaction.
And your response to that is to use the next election as an opportunity to do something to make the situation considerably worse? Well, I suppose it's a plan. :?

Or are you suffering from out of the frying pan and into the fire syndrome? 🤔
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Re: Sex and the Religious-Left

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To clarify, and to repeat what I often say: I do not have standing within the American establishment; and my personal orientation is not directed toward activism or to building cases for one side or another. In this sort of environment, where we have at least the possibility of examining trends in some detail -- though I notice that most who participate here can't and don't and their ideas, such as they are, are clipped, reductionist, overheated, rhetorically driven and partisan -- don't get us anywhere if understanding is our objective.

Myself, I am willing to take a gamble, and it is a gamble, in attempting to elect a chaos-agent, which Trump certainly is, if it does happen that through electing him a *dispossessed majority* gets a better chance at being represented. I do not have great optimism however. And it does seem to me that when a republic such as that of the US gets to the point where it is now, I wonder what if anything can bring it back to normalcy. I simply cannot see how this is going to work out well. But one thing I will admit: when a republic arrives at this juncture -- a later maturity -- it is inevitable, or has been so historically, that authoritarian policies begin to present themselves as necessary options.

The political and social Left certainly does this through their control of social discourse. Their tendency is to assume a position of self-righteous moral superiority while simultaneously crowing about *democracy* as they use various tools to subvert it. Yet, with that said, I would not describe the Right-leaning faction or establishment as incapable of authoritarian machinations. We should remember that in political crises -- as for example with Lincoln's suspension of constitutional civil rights during the War Between the States -- that strident authoritarianism for specific political objectives is understood to be *necessary*.

The United States is in the midst of a battle over how the Republic defines itself. The Postwar America -- what has developed -- is a different creature from that which was defined and understood previously. The way that this came about is worthy of study and examination. And for that reason the term "social engineering" is relevant.

Trump is one thing, and I tend to see his as the *armor piercing shell* that Bannon described him as. But there is actually a whole other sub-current here which I believe needs to be better understood through being seen.

So as an example I will submit Stew Peters and his strident polemic on Weimar Germany and his attempt at a 'historical clarification' in respect to the attack in social depravity which is the focus of his polemic. I refer to this and I could refer to ten additional video discourses (video being a major form of the communication of ideas in our time) by people who, for good or for bad, are convinced that their view of corruption and decadence are understandings with validity.

You can refer to all those who make up the *adulating* masses as merely stupid, as duped, as badly informed, and brush them all aside; or you can begin to examine the causal chains that have brought about this peculiar and dangerous crisis and how people go about interpreting what is going on and why. That is one of my main areas of interest: how people interpret what they see and perceive going on around them. There are all sorts of levels of analysis starting from what we might all agree is a *sound basis* all the way over to outrageous, even deranged ideas -- interpretations -- about what is and what is not.

This Stew Peters polemic fits within the context of this thread and what is being discussed. Sexuality and the manipulation of sexuality is a tool of political and social manipulation. This seems clear to me.
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Re: Sex and the Religious-Left

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Harbal wrote: Mon Mar 18, 2024 1:32 pm
Alexis Jacobi wrote: Mon Mar 18, 2024 12:23 pm The present Democrat régime has, beyond all doubt, proved itself a substantial danger to the republic and, necessarily, has provoked and stimulated a reaction.
And your response to that is to use the next election as an opportunity to do something to make the situation considerably worse? Well, I suppose it's a plan. :?

Or are you suffering from out of the frying pan and into the fire syndrome? 🤔
My position has more to do with drawing *your* attention to the nature of the conflicts. You, as I have said many times, are terribly informed and uninterested in a wide understanding. You seek the titillation of entertainment but falter when some work is required. My view is that your views and your position is shallow.

What I said is that I support Donald Trump because I see his election and his activism as an opportunity for substantial change at the level of the (so-called) Deep State. That means an embedded political establishment whose activities and policies I regard as bad.

In your case you have no knowledge of any of this nor do you have any interest in it. So what you say does not have much relevancy nor even relationship to the topic that come up here.
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Re: Sex and the Religious-Left

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Alexis Jacobi wrote: Mon Mar 18, 2024 2:06 pm
Harbal wrote: Mon Mar 18, 2024 1:32 pm
Alexis Jacobi wrote: Mon Mar 18, 2024 12:23 pm The present Democrat régime has, beyond all doubt, proved itself a substantial danger to the republic and, necessarily, has provoked and stimulated a reaction.
And your response to that is to use the next election as an opportunity to do something to make the situation considerably worse? Well, I suppose it's a plan. :?

Or are you suffering from out of the frying pan and into the fire syndrome? 🤔
My position has more to do with drawing *your* attention to the nature of the conflicts. You, as I have said many times, are terribly informed and uninterested in a wide understanding. You seek the titillation of entertainment but falter when some work is required. My view is that your views and your position is shallow.

What I said is that I support Donald Trump because I see his election and his activism as an opportunity for substantial change at the level of the (so-called) Deep State. That means an embedded political establishment whose activities and policies I regard as bad.

In your case you have no knowledge of any of this nor do you have any interest in it. So what you say does not have much relevancy nor even relationship to the topic that come up here.
Giving Trump the job of running a country is like calling in a car salesman to fix your plumbing. Not only is the man not qualified to do the job, he is a pathological liar, and a bone head, not to mention narcissist. Your country, your president, your disaster, but forums are places for offering opinions, and I am just presenting mine.
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Harbal wrote: Mon Mar 18, 2024 3:17 pmGiving Trump the job of running a country is like calling in a car salesman to fix your plumbing. Not only is the man not qualified to do the job, he is a pathological liar, and a bone head, not to mention narcissist. Your country, your president, your disaster, but forums are places for offering opinions, and I am just presenting mine.
And so you should.

Since I am not at all convinced that the present régime is *qualified* for the position, my objective is to take a risk on someone who will bring in people who can and will do better. Still, I am not at all sure that Trump was a bad president. There are conflicting views on this. And I have my doubts about anything *getting better*. Generally, things get much worse before they improve.

And we have a hard time defining what *improvement* actually is. (And you have zero idea).

Most of the last presidents have been described, by friends and foes, as being "pathological liar[s], and bone head[s], not to mention narcissist[s]. I accept that Trump is a bizarre figure with a strange style. I also believe he has, within his limitations, grown and changed as he has risen to the role that he claimed for himself and which is projected onto him.

There are a dozen -- a hundred -- angles for critical analysis of Trump. But with your brainless, ill-informed quips you do nothing for your argument, such as it is (it isn't!) And you do not in fact give a rat's ass.
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Alexis Jacobi wrote: Mon Mar 18, 2024 3:28 pm But with your brainless, ill-informed quips you do nothing for your argument,
So am I to take it that you don't give much weight to my opinion? 🙂
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Harbal wrote: Mon Mar 18, 2024 4:19 pm
Alexis Jacobi wrote: Mon Mar 18, 2024 3:28 pm But with your brainless, ill-informed quips you do nothing for your argument,
So am I to take it that you don't give much weight to my opinion? 🙂
Once again your idiotic ironies. No, Harbal. Your opinion carries little weight. It is just noise.

An opinion, any opinion, has no particular value unless it is rationally, accurately and carefully explained. Your opinions are based in totally superficial views.

But if you remain entertained -- your objective -- I salute you for achieving what you set out for.
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Alexis Jacobi wrote: Sun Mar 17, 2024 5:44 pm
seeds wrote: Sun Mar 17, 2024 4:40 pm ...are you seriously asking me why I wouldn't want to reward one of the most deceitful and unethical humans to ever walk the face of the earth with a seat of power and privilege where he (without a doubt) will attempt to pardon himself (and his cronies) of the litany of treasonous and immoral crimes he's committed over the years?
Man, you’ve got yourself a severe case of TDS!
When I was a child, little did I realize that the Superman comics I used to read back then -- the ones that featured "Bizarro World" -- were actually giving me a prescient glimpse into the future.

Indeed, in what has actually become a real Bizarro World, if it serves the purpose of facilitating the goal of reshaping our society into some vague and ill-defined greater vision of what it should be, then, by all means, AJ,...

(and regardless of your alleged underlying noble intent)

...let's reward the actions and lifestyles of the worst members of our species by granting them ultimate power and authority over the rest of us.

Furthermore, let's make it clear to our children that in order to achieve the highest levels of political power and success in, again, Bizarro World, all they have to do is be the rottenness, most despicable, most unethical person imaginable, and people like you and the MAGA cult, will, again, reward their awfulness.

Sure, you and the MAGA cult might not be worshiping your (hoped-to-be) newly crowned emperor because of his nose-pinching stench, but because he functioned as the aforementioned means (e.g., as an *armor piercing shell*) to achieve the cult's goal of destroying a system of which they, not only haven't a clue of what to replace it with,...

...but are also clueless if whether or not their actions might result in an even worse system.

Again, regardless of the noble and carefully calculated intent underlying your support for Donald J. Trump,...

(man, I'm sick of hearing that name)

...it does not change the fact that you are clearly demonstrating to our children that there are great advantages and rewards to be had by being the worst and most despicable members of our species here in "Bizarro World."
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But.. but Trump is playing 6D-chess.. he has to be, he has it all figured out.. can't you see? Can't you guys all see? Even his 4-year hiatus was all calculated, it's all part of the plan, I'm sure of it.. /s
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Alexis Jacobi wrote: Mon Mar 18, 2024 4:50 pm
Harbal wrote: Mon Mar 18, 2024 4:19 pm
Alexis Jacobi wrote: Mon Mar 18, 2024 3:28 pm But with your brainless, ill-informed quips you do nothing for your argument,
So am I to take it that you don't give much weight to my opinion? 🙂
Once again your idiotic ironies. No, Harbal. Your opinion carries little weight. It is just noise.

An opinion, any opinion, has no particular value unless it is rationally, accurately and carefully explained. Your opinions are based in totally superficial views.

But if you remain entertained -- your objective -- I salute you for achieving what you set out for.
I could just keep quiet while you continue to mention me from time to time as an example of cultural and intellectual emptiness, which, if I remember correctly, is how our lasting relationship first started. But I probably won't.
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Don't ever keep quiet, Harbal.
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seeds wrote: Mon Mar 18, 2024 5:29 pm When I was a child, little did I realize that the Superman comics I used to read back then -- the ones that featured "Bizarro World" -- were actually giving me a prescient glimpse into the future.

Indeed, in what has actually become a real Bizarro World, if it serves the purpose of facilitating the goal of reshaping our society into some vague and ill-defined greater vision of what it should be, then, by all means, AJ,..
You write in rhetorical terms that are not very useful. However, I do myself sometimes feel as you do. When things go sour, they really do go sour, and then all sorts of consequences loom.

The actual conversation to be had is about what happened, how it happened, and a great deal else related to that. Yet is is next to impossible to have that conversation with people who seem only, or largely, to be fighting partisan battles. It is so tiresome.
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Atla wrote: Mon Mar 18, 2024 5:52 pm But.. but Trump is playing 6D-chess.. he has to be, he has it all figured out.. can't you see? Can't you guys all see? Even his 4-year hiatus was all calculated, it's all part of the plan, I'm sure of it.. /s
:D :D :D
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Sculptor wrote: Mon Mar 18, 2024 8:47 pm
Atla wrote: Mon Mar 18, 2024 5:52 pm But.. but Trump is playing 6D-chess.. he has to be, he has it all figured out.. can't you see? Can't you guys all see? Even his 4-year hiatus was all calculated, it's all part of the plan, I'm sure of it.. /s
:D :D :D
The actual conversation to be had is about what happened, how it happened, and a great deal else related to that. Yet is is next to impossible to have that conversation with people who seem only, or largely, to be fighting partisan battles. It is so tiresome.
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