Creation - Evolution

[Age]

No. My response was "Yup", your own failings to understand basic metaphorical English is your own problem.

But, why do you presume I fail to understand so-called 'basic metaphorical english'?

Also, I was just pointing out what the actual words you used here actually meant.

It is like some of these posters here do not like it when I point out and show what they are really saying, and meaning, here.

At least you can understand what I say.
But you write stuff that you nor anyone else can understand.

Just maybe, and this is a just maybe, I am writing like I do here, so that when some things, 'further down the track', as some might say, are understood better, then 'looking back over my words' here might just make perfect sense, and which actually have all along fitted in perfectly with what has been actually irrefutably True all along anyway.

So yes there is much here to "see".
An opening post which is word sald but possibly best described as word smoothy.
and then a series of confused responses.

So, are you 'now' saying and suggesting that you cannot comprehend and understand what I said and wrote in the opening post of this thread?

The opening post is really 'self-explanatory'. That is; once one knows how to 'look at' and 'see' things for how they Truly are.

For example why are the first two sentences, 'Every action causes a reaction. Always has, and, always will',so-called 'word salad' to you?

Can you really not yet comprehend and understand this most irrefutable Fact?

I think Newton got there before you buddy.
It's called inductive reasoning. Not irrefuatble though.

So, once again, why is what I said and wrote here, so-called 'word salad', to you?

Are you, still, really unable to comprehend and understand it?

Also, explain how you could refute what I said and wrote here, which you claim is 'not irrefutable though'?

[Age]

I'd believe much sooner that human biological complexity was designed by an alien species before I'd believe there was a 'god' that spontaneously generated an original pair on erf.

Okay, but does this have absolutely anything at all to do with what I have said and written here?

If yes, then when, where, and why, exactly?

Also, 'we' now know what your beliefs are here.

In fact it's much easier to believe... the more easilyer believed option if u HAD to choose. Which u dont, btw. Only if intelligent design has u perplexed would u need to posit this explanation - aliens over god - for that complexity. Otherwise pure nonteleological evolution would suffice. We started out as monomers floating around the vents at the bottom of the ocean and now we're driving corvettes.

And, whereabouts did you 'start' before this here?

All this could be by accident... but to call it an accident would already be misleading becuz it implies there was some intent and design in mind when it bappened. Right. U can't have an accident if u have no purpose or design becuz u can't be (or make) a mistake in that case, can't be unintended.

But when u get down to it and absolutely have to find an extraterrestrial explanation for human origins, you'd go with aliens before god.

Why do 'you' try to tell 'us' what 'we' would do, when it is 'you' who would do that, and not necessarily 'us' at all?

Theological origin doctrines are all equally ridiculous. Aliens are ridiculous too, but not as ridiculous.

Why?

Show 'us' one example why 'you' believe that all so-called 'theological origin doctrines' are ridiculous but, supposedly, not as ridiculous as 'alien origin ideas' are.

Also, why are 'you' only 'looking at' and talking about the origin of you human beings only here?

And, how far back are you really going? For surely you human beings were not floating around the vents at the bottom of the ocean ever.

Let 'us' not forget also that if you want to 'look at' aliens creating the monomers floating around the vents at the bottom of the ocean, then who and/or what created the aliens, previously?

Not necessarily by direct presence in erf but more along the lines of seeding the erf with whatever sets a certain course of biological evolution in motion toward the end result of the human.

Why are you 'looking from' a very narrowed perspective here and only at things on earth only?

Obviously what I have been talking about in this thread is a lot larger.

Coulda made us directly from monkeys or took a monkey and their own DNA to create an upright bipedal mammal hybrid - a monkey alien - with a yuge brain and opposable thumbs.

Why are you only self-interested in human beings here?

I was talking about the Universe, but you are talking, more or less, about you human beings, only.

[Age]

Age is continually proving that he has many beliefs including negative ones about a lot of people.

List some of the many beliefs, which you absolutely believe I have "iwannaplato".

Show 'us' that you are at least capable of this very little thing here.

Let 'us' see if you are able to prove, exactly, what you believe is absolutely true.

He proves this in post after post where he makes many assertions, usually not justifying them.

So, to "iwannaplato", if absolutely anyone asserts absolutely anything, then that one MUST believe that assertion to be true.

He calls his beliefs views and thinks that they are not beliefs because he named them as something else.

you are absolutely CLOSED here "iwannaplato". So, this is the very reason why you care not able to see the actual Truth of things here.

If he responds to this post he will prove again that he has many beliefs.

LOL
LOL
LOL

So, I could have written just one word, or even just one letter, in response to this post, and, to "Iwannaplato" anyway, this proves, irrefutably, that I have many beliefs.

you are are being an absolute "joker" here "iwannaplato".

Are you at all able to explain the 'logic' behind this claim of yours here?

If yes, then will you?

If no, then why not?

If he responds to your post, on whatever topic, he will post his beliefs.

Talk about providing absolute more proof of this one trying to deceived the readers, as well as trying to deflect away from its complete and utter inability to counter and refute what I have actually said and written here.

This one is just continually, post after post, desperately trying its hardest to discredit 'me', and 'my words'. Exactly like in the 'older days' when there were people trying to deflect away from the actual truth about the earth revolving around the sun, and kept desperately trying to discredit 'that one' and 'their words', as well.

This one, like others who are not actually able to counter nor refute what 'another' says and writes, will instead desperately try to discredit 'the author/speaker' or try to deflect things away from what was/is actually being said and written and which is actually irrefutably true.

And, they do and did this solely because they assumed or believed something else was true. Which, very sadly for them, they could not back up, support, nor stand behind, at all.

His beliefs will not change, even though he calls them views.

Really now?

So, what do 'you' believe are 'my beliefs' "iwannaplato"?

Show 'us' that you have at least some courage and responsibility here.

Also, let 'us' not forget at all that what 'you' believe is true here is not necessarily true at all, remember?

And, let 'us' not forget just how much 'time' and effort this one has spend here in this thread and in other threads not actually talking 'about' the topic of the thread but has spent talking 'about' me instead.

[Age]

Something bizarre like on some Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy level shit would be that throughout the universe countless (or at least many) intelligent forms of life have evolved that have and are now using gene science to design unique life forms and put them on planets. Think Prometheus the movies.

Intelligent life begetting more complex life. playing god, as it were.

What do you mean by begetting 'more complex' life, exactly?

Absolutely every thing, including the Universe, Itself, is made up of the exact same two things.

There is absolutely nothing that is more complex, nor more simple, than any thing else.

Even 'Life', and living, themselves, are the most simplest and easiest things, ever.

Although, in the days when this is being written you adult human beings seem to think or believe otherwise.

Travelin around the galaxies and planting life on planets.

Do you have any actual evidence of this, let alone actual proof?

Now... just sayin here... if some alien species had sumthin to do with our origins and was around during the initial period of creation,

When you say and use the words, 'the initial period of creation', are you referring to the 'initial period' of you human beings only?

men would describe and write about such events about like they actually have, and did, in ancient religious stories and texts.

How long do you think 'men' have been 'around for', exactly?

They reported on what they believed were gods, but were in fact the aliens responsible for our genesis.

So, are you here saying or suggesting that, actually, what you call 'aliens' are the creator of the species 'human being'?

Some Chariots Of The Gods bro. Shirley you've read that one.

Why do you write some words very differently from how other human beings do?

The problem for the abrahamic religions is that it's perfectly reasonable to assume any talk of otherworldly or apparently supernatural events involving angels or demons and such, would be (reported) precisely like and as it has been reported in those religious texts.

Ergo, I can totally imagine Ezekiel seeing a landing craft with some aliens innit, or those Egyptian depictions of gods who look like they're wearing space suits and seated before the control panel of a ship. With breathing hoses 'n shit hooked up to their head-dress/helmets.

So, what "promethean75" 'imagines' is true, to "promethean75" is more believable of being true, and all others should believe what "promethean75" does, right "promethean75"?

[Age]

Of course I can refute it. Evolution only happens on Earth and the rest of the universe is exactly right for evolution on Earth to be possible.

So, if this is all it takes for you to refute what I said and claimed, then, of course, I can refute what you say and claim here, as well.

Evolution happens in the Universe, and every thing is exactly right for evolution in the Universe to not just be possible but to actually happen and occur.

So, if you refuted 'it', then I just refuted what you said and claimed here.

But no one has shown that the entire universe is evolving.

But you human beings do not show things like this. The Universe is showing how It is evolving.

And, while creating Itself, always, as well.

If you have not yet seen this, then this is another example of being somewhat CLOSED 'looks like'.

And creation is far more than just cause and effect.

Thus, maybe why I never said 'cause and effect', which let 'us' not forget was a term and phrase only introduced here, along with the word 'intent', by you alone. Two things I never introduced here, and they are two things that only deflect and distract here.

I instead said and talked about, 'Every action has a reaction'. I then when on to partly explain how this reaction process is creation, itself.

Cause and effect in itself is just a random process in the sense that it doesn't "create" a gradually evolving process.

Okay if you say so. But, considering that this introduced idea of 'yours' was brought here by you alone "atla", and it has absolutely nothing to do with what I actually have talked about here.

So, if cause and effect, in itself, is just a random process in the sense that it does not 'create' a gradually evolving process, then okay.

You are incapable of proving your mind, mind-matter duality, evolution, time travel and infinite human potential beliefs, therefore I have every reason to view you as just a delusional liar, nothing more.

Well considering that you have not yet been actually capable of refuting what I have said and claimed here, what you say and claim here 'now' is really rather hypocritical, especially considering what you have shown to be incapable of here.

Lol okay, how is the rest of the universe - lifeless rocks, stars, dust, gas etc, evolving exactly?

Exactly like ALL things 'evolve'. That is; through 'change', itself.

How do you think 'you' have got HERE?

Do you believe that you got HERE any differently than any other thing has?


They are changing from one lifeless state to another lifeless state and so on, maybe end up falling back into another singularity, and you call that evolution?

evolution
noun
1.
the process by which different kinds of living organism are believed to have developed from earlier forms during the history of the earth.

Where did you get this definition from, exactly, "atla"?

2.
the gradual development of something

Let's see now how Age can argue for its claim.

I will just use number 2 here.

Absolutely every thing has 'developed gradually' to get to where 'it' is right HERE, right NOW.

Or, are you under some sort of illusion that some thing, let us call it 'God', just put or placed 'you' or anything else, just HERE, just NOW, or at any time?

Also, it's funny that you claim to talk about action and reaction, universally and without intent, which is also called cause and effect, but you claim to have absolutely never talked about cause and effect. How stupid are you and how stupid do you think others are?

If you want to call 'action and reaction', 'cause and effect', then just do so. After all, absolutely every thing is relative, to the observer.

But, when, and if, I claim that I have absolutely never talked about 'cause and effect' somewhere, then that just means I have not used those exact words there.

If you want to relate 'cause and effect', the exact same as, 'action and reaction', then by all means 'just do it'.

So, if you like "atla", 'Every cause has an effect. Always has, and, always will''

This is an eternal-constant reaction process, which, itself, causes and/or creates evolution, itself. Therefore, every thing is evolving/'developing gradually' in a process also called or known as 'Creation', Itself.

So, no matter which way one 'looks at' and 'sees' things here, they all lead to the exact same One Truth here.

Unless, of course, one is already presuming or believing something else is true here, then that one can only 'look at', and 'sees', things differently, here.

The only difference is that if one cannot back up and support what they say, claim, presume, or believe is true with actual proof, then, obviously, what they are saying and claiming is just an unsupported presumption or belief. Or, in other words just 'an opinion' only, really.

[Atla]

evolution
noun
1.
the process by which different kinds of living organism are believed to have developed from earlier forms during the history of the earth.

Where did you get this definition from, exactly, "atla"?

Yep.
It's what the word usually means, did you even finish elementary school, were you locked away ever since in a basement, don't you have any idea how to search the internet or how to read an article or a book, do you at least know the name of the planet you're on?

I will just use number 2 here.

Absolutely every thing has 'developed gradually' to get to where 'it' is right HERE, right NOW.

Or, are you under some sort of illusion that some thing, let us call it 'God', just put or placed 'you' or anything else, just HERE, just NOW, or at any time?

You honestly are too challenged to understand what I keep asking. How does the universe know how to do the exact kind of gradual development using mere cause and effect, that would get us exactly to humans?

If you want to call 'action and reaction', 'cause and effect', then just do so. After all, absolutely every thing is relative, to the observer.

But, when, and if, I claim that I have absolutely never talked about 'cause and effect' somewhere, then that just means I have not used those exact words there.

If you want to relate 'cause and effect', the exact same as, 'action and reaction', then by all means 'just do it'.

So, if you like "atla", 'Every cause has an effect. Always has, and, always will''

This is an eternal-constant reaction process, which, itself, causes and/or creates evolution, itself. Therefore, every thing is evolving/'developing gradually' in a process also called or known as 'Creation', Itself.

So, no matter which way one 'looks at' and 'sees' things here, they all lead to the exact same One Truth here.

Unless, of course, one is already presuming or believing something else is true here, then that one can only 'look at', and 'sees', things differently, here.

The only difference is that if one cannot back up and support what they say, claim, presume, or believe is true with actual proof, then, obviously, what they are saying and claiming is just an unsupported presumption or belief. Or, in other words just 'an opinion' only, really.

Who the fuck cares that you haven't used those exact words, learn to communicate like a human.

You still have zero evidence for your evolution claim. Cause and effect is implicit in everything, and everyone knows this, not just in evolution, so it's completely idiotic and irrelevant to bring it up.

You are incapable of proving your mind, mind-matter duality, evolution, time travel and infinite human potential beliefs, therefore I have every reason to view you as just a delusional liar, nothing more.

[Age]

evolution
noun
1.
the process by which different kinds of living organism are believed to have developed from earlier forms during the history of the earth.

Where did you get this definition from, exactly, "atla"?

Yep.
It's what the word usually means, did you even finish elementary school, were you locked away ever since in a basement,

And, 'the sun revolves around the earth', was taught at elementary school, and for those that were saying and claiming that actually 'the earth revolves around the sun', they were informed that what is 'usually meant' is the truth and the right way to 'look at' and 'see' things. Also, if one said and claimed that actually 'the earth revolves around the sun', then they were also questioned with things like, 'Did you even finish elementary school?'.

That 'the sun revolves around the earth' is the 'usual thing' and that this is so basic it is even taught in elementary school, and that if one 'looks at' and 'sees' things differently from what was taught 'back' in elementary school, and it is not what is 'usually meant', then that one must be wrong.

Look "atla" I asked you WHERE did you get that definition from, exactly? and your reply is, 'It is what the word 'usually means', then you could not have produced a weaker attempt here at trying to fight and argue for 'your position'.

And, why you would say, 'Yep', in reply to a clarifying question, says a lot about what you are 'currently' holding as presumptions and/or beliefs here.

The 'definition' you provided here sounds exactly like one you believe fits the word 'evolution', exactly, but which you have not obtained nor gathered from absolutely anywhere other than from your very own imagination and/or belief here only.

So, did you get 'that definiton' from anywhere other than from your own made up imagination and thinking?

If yes, then WHERE, exactly?

How long does it take this one to actually answer and clarify the actual clarifying questions I pose, and ask it?

don't you have any idea how to search the internet or how to read an article or a book, do you at least know the name of the planet you're on?

your continual attempts of 'ridicule' of 'me' only reinforce how weak and unsure you really are here.

People tried for numerous years to ridicule the one saying and claiming that actually it is 'the earth that revolves around the sun', and because that one already had 'the proof' presented to them, no matter what attempts nor how many attempts others made to try to discredit and/or ridicule 'that one', what that one was saying and claiming proved to be true and right. And, no matter how many other believed otherwise.

Are you even aware that I could just keep re-repeating what was being taught in elementary schools in days long gone, but if I was, then I would not be saying nor expressing any new ideas nor views at all.

The very reason why you human beings, in the days when this is being written, are taking so long to 'catch up' and 'see' what the actual Truth of things is, exactly, is because, just like you "atla", you adult human beings keep fighting, arguing, and quarreling, over what you 'currently' believe is true, which a fair amount of that comes from what you were 'taught' in elementary school.

Which shows and explains why it took you human beings so long to 'catch up' and 'see' that, actually, 'the sun does not revolve around the earth', for example.

If you adult human beings had stopped believing and stopped fighting for what you were 'taught' in elementary school, then you would have 'listened' to 'the one' who was, and is, just saying and expressing the actual Truth.

I will just use number 2 here.

Absolutely every thing has 'developed gradually' to get to where 'it' is right HERE, right NOW.

Or, are you under some sort of illusion that some thing, let us call it 'God', just put or placed 'you' or anything else, just HERE, just NOW, or at any time?

You honestly are too challenged to understand what I keep asking. How does the universe know how to do the exact kind of gradual development using mere cause and effect, that would get us exactly to humans?

you are too CLOSED to comprehend and understand that 'intent' has absolutely nothing at all to do with what I have been saying and claiming here.

your attempts at deflection and distraction are not going unnoticed "atla".

Also, why do you believe, absolutely, that the Universe, Itself, 'knew' or 'knows' how to do what is necessary to make the exact kind of 'gradual development', using so-called 'mere cause and effect', that would get, exactly, to you human beings?

Also, why do you think or believe that 'all of this' even about 'you', human beings, anyway?

What 'we' have here is more proof of just how 'self-centered' these adult human beings were, back in those days when this was being written.

This one absolutely believes that the Universe is about and for human beings. How much more NARROW, CLOSED, or self-centered could one get?

Once again, I will suggest "atla", just read 'my words' not from your already obtained 'prejudiced' perspective, but from a Truly OPEN perspective instead. That way you will 'look at' and 'see' things very, very differently.

you will also stop 'seeing' that there is 'intent' here anywhere. you will also stop 'seeing' that the Universe is 'about you', human beings.

If you want to call 'action and reaction', 'cause and effect', then just do so. After all, absolutely every thing is relative, to the observer.

But, when, and if, I claim that I have absolutely never talked about 'cause and effect' somewhere, then that just means I have not used those exact words there.

If you want to relate 'cause and effect', the exact same as, 'action and reaction', then by all means 'just do it'.

So, if you like "atla", 'Every cause has an effect. Always has, and, always will''

This is an eternal-constant reaction process, which, itself, causes and/or creates evolution, itself. Therefore, every thing is evolving/'developing gradually' in a process also called or known as 'Creation', Itself.

So, no matter which way one 'looks at' and 'sees' things here, they all lead to the exact same One Truth here.

Unless, of course, one is already presuming or believing something else is true here, then that one can only 'look at', and 'sees', things differently, here.

The only difference is that if one cannot back up and support what they say, claim, presume, or believe is true with actual proof, then, obviously, what they are saying and claiming is just an unsupported presumption or belief. Or, in other words just 'an opinion' only, really.

Who the fuck cares that you haven't used those exact words, learn to communicate like a human.

Have I told 'you' what 'I' am here for, in this forum?

You still have zero evidence for your evolution claim.

LOL you are a complete and utter idiot here "atla", and for two reasons.

Cause and effect is implicit in everything, and everyone knows this, not just in evolution, so it's completely idiotic and irrelevant to bring it up.

So, how can a 'gradual development' or 'change' happen, if there is, supposedly and allegedly, NO 'cause and effect' in evolution?

Also, you continually saying and claiming that 'everyone knows this', besides being absolutely False, Wrong, and Incorrect is about the most worthless attempt at trying to justify 'your own personal position', "atla".

So, "atla" believes, absolutely, that 'cause and effect' is implicit in absolutely everything, except 'evolution', which is even more stupid the more one reads it and thinks about it.

To "atla" 'evolution' happens, but just not through 'cause and effect'. So, how, exactly, does 'evolution' happen and occur, to you, "atla"?

You are incapable of proving your mind, mind-matter duality, evolution, time travel and infinite human potential beliefs, therefore I have every reason to view you as just a delusional liar, nothing more.

Again, please, please keep believing that this is absolutely true, right, accurate, and correct.

The more you do, the more you are helping 'me', and, the more you are 'proving' my other claims absolutely and irrefutably True, Right, Accurate, and Correct.

[Atla]

Where did you get this definition from, exactly, "atla"?

Yep.
It's what the word usually means, did you even finish elementary school, were you locked away ever since in a basement,

And, 'the sun revolves around the earth', was taught at elementary school, and for those that were saying and claiming that actually 'the earth revolves around the sun', they were informed that what is 'usually meant' is the truth and the right way to 'look at' and 'see' things. Also, if one said and claimed that actually 'the earth revolves around the sun', then they were also questioned with things like, 'Did you even finish elementary school?'.

That 'the sun revolves around the earth' is the 'usual thing' and that this is so basic it is even taught in elementary school, and that if one 'looks at' and 'sees' things differently from what was taught 'back' in elementary school, and it is not what is 'usually meant', then that one must be wrong.

Look "atla" I asked you WHERE did you get that definition from, exactly? and your reply is, 'It is what the word 'usually means', then you could not have produced a weaker attempt here at trying to fight and argue for 'your position'.

And, why you would say, 'Yep', in reply to a clarifying question, says a lot about what you are 'currently' holding as presumptions and/or beliefs here.

The 'definition' you provided here sounds exactly like one you believe fits the word 'evolution', exactly, but which you have not obtained nor gathered from absolutely anywhere other than from your very own imagination and/or belief here only.

So, did you get 'that definiton' from anywhere other than from your own made up imagination and thinking?

If yes, then WHERE, exactly?

How long does it take this one to actually answer and clarify the actual clarifying questions I pose, and ask it?

don't you have any idea how to search the internet or how to read an article or a book, do you at least know the name of the planet you're on?

your continual attempts of 'ridicule' of 'me' only reinforce how weak and unsure you really are here.

People tried for numerous years to ridicule the one saying and claiming that actually it is 'the earth that revolves around the sun', and because that one already had 'the proof' presented to them, no matter what attempts nor how many attempts others made to try to discredit and/or ridicule 'that one', what that one was saying and claiming proved to be true and right. And, no matter how many other believed otherwise.

Are you even aware that I could just keep re-repeating what was being taught in elementary schools in days long gone, but if I was, then I would not be saying nor expressing any new ideas nor views at all.

The very reason why you human beings, in the days when this is being written, are taking so long to 'catch up' and 'see' what the actual Truth of things is, exactly, is because, just like you "atla", you adult human beings keep fighting, arguing, and quarreling, over what you 'currently' believe is true, which a fair amount of that comes from what you were 'taught' in elementary school.

Which shows and explains why it took you human beings so long to 'catch up' and 'see' that, actually, 'the sun does not revolve around the earth', for example.

If you adult human beings had stopped believing and stopped fighting for what you were 'taught' in elementary school, then you would have 'listened' to 'the one' who was, and is, just saying and expressing the actual Truth.

I will just use number 2 here.

Absolutely every thing has 'developed gradually' to get to where 'it' is right HERE, right NOW.

Or, are you under some sort of illusion that some thing, let us call it 'God', just put or placed 'you' or anything else, just HERE, just NOW, or at any time?

You honestly are too challenged to understand what I keep asking. How does the universe know how to do the exact kind of gradual development using mere cause and effect, that would get us exactly to humans?

you are too CLOSED to comprehend and understand that 'intent' has absolutely nothing at all to do with what I have been saying and claiming here.

your attempts at deflection and distraction are not going unnoticed "atla".

Also, why do you believe, absolutely, that the Universe, Itself, 'knew' or 'knows' how to do what is necessary to make the exact kind of 'gradual development', using so-called 'mere cause and effect', that would get, exactly, to you human beings?

Also, why do you think or believe that 'all of this' even about 'you', human beings, anyway?

What 'we' have here is more proof of just how 'self-centered' these adult human beings were, back in those days when this was being written.

This one absolutely believes that the Universe is about and for human beings. How much more NARROW, CLOSED, or self-centered could one get?

Once again, I will suggest "atla", just read 'my words' not from your already obtained 'prejudiced' perspective, but from a Truly OPEN perspective instead. That way you will 'look at' and 'see' things very, very differently.

you will also stop 'seeing' that there is 'intent' here anywhere. you will also stop 'seeing' that the Universe is 'about you', human beings.

If you want to call 'action and reaction', 'cause and effect', then just do so. After all, absolutely every thing is relative, to the observer.

But, when, and if, I claim that I have absolutely never talked about 'cause and effect' somewhere, then that just means I have not used those exact words there.

If you want to relate 'cause and effect', the exact same as, 'action and reaction', then by all means 'just do it'.

So, if you like "atla", 'Every cause has an effect. Always has, and, always will''

This is an eternal-constant reaction process, which, itself, causes and/or creates evolution, itself. Therefore, every thing is evolving/'developing gradually' in a process also called or known as 'Creation', Itself.

So, no matter which way one 'looks at' and 'sees' things here, they all lead to the exact same One Truth here.

Unless, of course, one is already presuming or believing something else is true here, then that one can only 'look at', and 'sees', things differently, here.

The only difference is that if one cannot back up and support what they say, claim, presume, or believe is true with actual proof, then, obviously, what they are saying and claiming is just an unsupported presumption or belief. Or, in other words just 'an opinion' only, really.

Who the fuck cares that you haven't used those exact words, learn to communicate like a human.

Have I told 'you' what 'I' am here for, in this forum?

You still have zero evidence for your evolution claim.

LOL you are a complete and utter idiot here "atla", and for two reasons.

Cause and effect is implicit in everything, and everyone knows this, not just in evolution, so it's completely idiotic and irrelevant to bring it up.

So, how can a 'gradual development' or 'change' happen, if there is, supposedly and allegedly, NO 'cause and effect' in evolution?

Also, you continually saying and claiming that 'everyone knows this', besides being absolutely False, Wrong, and Incorrect is about the most worthless attempt at trying to justify 'your own personal position', "atla".

So, "atla" believes, absolutely, that 'cause and effect' is implicit in absolutely everything, except 'evolution', which is even more stupid the more one reads it and thinks about it.

To "atla" 'evolution' happens, but just not through 'cause and effect'. So, how, exactly, does 'evolution' happen and occur, to you, "atla"?

You are incapable of proving your mind, mind-matter duality, evolution, time travel and infinite human potential beliefs, therefore I have every reason to view you as just a delusional liar, nothing more.

Again, please, please keep believing that this is absolutely true, right, accurate, and correct.

The more you do, the more you are helping 'me', and, the more you are 'proving' my other claims absolutely and irrefutably True, Right, Accurate, and Correct.

You are completely, hopelessly mentally retarded. It was proven centuries ago that the Sun doesn't revolve around the Earth. But you haven't shown any proof ever for your self-serving, pathological, retarded, miserable, whiny, narcissistic fantasies that you can't live without because you are completely weak.

You are incapable of proving your mind, mind-matter duality, evolution, time travel and infinite human potential beliefs, therefore I have every reason to view you as just a delusional liar, nothing more.

So, how can a 'gradual development' or 'change' happen, if there is, supposedly and allegedly, NO 'cause and effect' in evolution?

Also, you continually saying and claiming that 'everyone knows this', besides being absolutely False, Wrong, and Incorrect is about the most worthless attempt at trying to justify 'your own personal position', "atla".

So, "atla" believes, absolutely, that 'cause and effect' is implicit in absolutely everything, except 'evolution', which is even more stupid the more one reads it and thinks about it.

To "atla" 'evolution' happens, but just not through 'cause and effect'. So, how, exactly, does 'evolution' happen and occur, to you, "atla"?

Learn to read, idiot

[Iwannaplato]

List some of the many beliefs, which you absolutely believe I have "iwannaplato".

To do this, to point out something so obvious to you, that you must be aware of yourself, is to insult your intelligence to a degree well beyond anything Atla has done.

You have repeatedly said to many people that they are proving they are [different synonyms for stupid and having absolute beliefs] in a certain post. This has happened in the dozens of times, if not hundreds, and about a number of individuals. You also have beliefs about 'the people at the time that is being written' which you have repeated many times. In the former belief you have about people proving they are stupid, there are sub-beliefs. For example, they are proving they are stupid and in a global way. Not, for example, providing some evidence of that, but proving. Not 'making a mistake', but proving their global stupidity. So, each time you do this there is a belief that that post proved their stupidity or other negative global attribute. You have your belief about the One True Mind. You have your belief that you only have one belief. You have your belief that you have no beliefs.

You have the recent threads like this one that open with a range of beliefs. Or perhaps you don't believe in what you say there, which would be idiotic in a different way.

You have all your irrefutable beliefs.

For example why are the first two sentences, 'Every action causes a reaction. Always has, and, always will',so-called 'word salad' to you?

Can you really not yet comprehend and understand this most irrefutable Fact?

If I search your posts I find irrefutable has

1586 matches

Now people are quoting you, and you are quoting earlier discussions, so you have said this many less times. But you have said this often AND about a variety of things. Not just one belief you have, but many.

I suggest that if this really was a sincere question, that you search your own posts for irrefutable. Find those places where you have said something is irrefutable or an irrefutable fact. You'll see that there is either

1) a lot of your beliefs there
or
2) for some odd reason you do not believe in what you call irrefutable facts.

Do you see why this is insulting your intelligence to point out things so obvious it's like having to show you your own hands.

I have now done this 'little thing' for you. I won't directly engage your response to this post because I can only expect, sadly, your inability to actually introspect, consider any core mistake on your part, given what I and others have experienced with you here.

Is this an absolute belief? No, you might finally admit you have a lot of beliefs and accept your humanity and participation in situ in the present time for all I know.

So, go off and investigate what I think was a disingenuous question yourself if you are actually interested. You have the tools and I helped get you started if you don't have them.

[Sculptor]

But, why do you presume I fail to understand so-called 'basic metaphorical english'?

Also, I was just pointing out what the actual words you used here actually meant.

It is like some of these posters here do not like it when I point out and show what they are really saying, and meaning, here.



Just maybe, and this is a just maybe, I am writing like I do here, so that when some things, 'further down the track', as some might say, are understood better, then 'looking back over my words' here might just make perfect sense, and which actually have all along fitted in perfectly with what has been actually irrefutably True all along anyway.


So, are you 'now' saying and suggesting that you cannot comprehend and understand what I said and wrote in the opening post of this thread?

The opening post is really 'self-explanatory'. That is; once one knows how to 'look at' and 'see' things for how they Truly are.

For example why are the first two sentences, 'Every action causes a reaction. Always has, and, always will',so-called 'word salad' to you?

Can you really not yet comprehend and understand this most irrefutable Fact?

I think Newton got there before you buddy.
It's called inductive reasoning. Not irrefuatble though.

So, once again, why is what I said and wrote here, so-called 'word salad', to you?

Are you, still, really unable to comprehend and understand it?

Also, explain how you could refute what I said and wrote here, which you claim is 'not irrefutable though'?

I understand it perfectly well.
Circular nonsense

[Sculptor]

OKAY lets take a proper look

Every action causes a reaction. Always has, and, always will. Maybe. THus far inductive inference tends to the belief that for each action there is an equal and opposite reaction (Newton). So far so good. This assertion may hold yet the claim that this has always has been and shall be is a claim beyond reason, since it is beyond the bounds of the empirical evidence which led to the indictive reasoning in the first place.

Every re-action causes, or creates, another reaction, that is; Creation, Itself.
Um. Although such induction would lead us to assume an endless chain of energetic activity - a chain of causality. There is abolsutely no warrent for adding "creation itself". None. Where this comes from is a mystery only Age can comment on. Does he...?

Every created thing, or reaction, evolves, interacting with other created, and evolving, things, causing continuous more actions, and re-actions, always, causing and/or creating Creation, Itself.
"every Created thing" assumes a creation. Where is this assertion coming from? Again this stement ends with the same nonsense as the first. Without justification or support.

The continual action of matter always inter-acting with itself, and thus always creating or causing just one continual re-action, is evolution, itself, in an always-constant process of, and in, Creation, Itself.
No. Evolution is a word used to explain the emergence of novel living things. Laterly it has alsi been used to describe a process of changeby physics, such as the development of star formation. This is not "creation itself" this phrase is meaningless. By the same sceince that determines the evolution of stars, also demands that the end game is not "creation", but the heat death of the universe in which all the "information" in energy is exhausted and a steady state of stasis is the terminal result. If you do not accept that then you also have to reject elements of the theory of stellar evolution

Matter being able to move about freely, because of the distance or space between and around matter, is an eternal process where inter-action of matter with itself is one eternal reaction, which what allows the evolution of things to happen and occur.
Matter is not "able". That is a pathetic fallacy. This is also a contradiction since as we now know that matter needs to be caused to move, itr cannot be "free". Another pathetic fallacy. There is also no "allowing". We'll let this one go since it does not contribute anything more to the overall statement

This always happening action/reaction process is just how all things are creation, through evolution, and just what the 'Creation' word has been meaning and referring to, exactly.
More regurgitation

It is, literally, the Universe Creating Itself, through an evolutionary process, always HERE-NOW.

There is no "creation" described here. What we have is cause-effect, and change, leading to the system wearing out.

What has the post said?? Nothing at all

[Age]

Yep.
It's what the word usually means, did you even finish elementary school, were you locked away ever since in a basement,

And, 'the sun revolves around the earth', was taught at elementary school, and for those that were saying and claiming that actually 'the earth revolves around the sun', they were informed that what is 'usually meant' is the truth and the right way to 'look at' and 'see' things. Also, if one said and claimed that actually 'the earth revolves around the sun', then they were also questioned with things like, 'Did you even finish elementary school?'.

That 'the sun revolves around the earth' is the 'usual thing' and that this is so basic it is even taught in elementary school, and that if one 'looks at' and 'sees' things differently from what was taught 'back' in elementary school, and it is not what is 'usually meant', then that one must be wrong.

Look "atla" I asked you WHERE did you get that definition from, exactly? and your reply is, 'It is what the word 'usually means', then you could not have produced a weaker attempt here at trying to fight and argue for 'your position'.

And, why you would say, 'Yep', in reply to a clarifying question, says a lot about what you are 'currently' holding as presumptions and/or beliefs here.

The 'definition' you provided here sounds exactly like one you believe fits the word 'evolution', exactly, but which you have not obtained nor gathered from absolutely anywhere other than from your very own imagination and/or belief here only.

So, did you get 'that definiton' from anywhere other than from your own made up imagination and thinking?

If yes, then WHERE, exactly?

How long does it take this one to actually answer and clarify the actual clarifying questions I pose, and ask it?

don't you have any idea how to search the internet or how to read an article or a book, do you at least know the name of the planet you're on?

your continual attempts of 'ridicule' of 'me' only reinforce how weak and unsure you really are here.

People tried for numerous years to ridicule the one saying and claiming that actually it is 'the earth that revolves around the sun', and because that one already had 'the proof' presented to them, no matter what attempts nor how many attempts others made to try to discredit and/or ridicule 'that one', what that one was saying and claiming proved to be true and right. And, no matter how many other believed otherwise.

Are you even aware that I could just keep re-repeating what was being taught in elementary schools in days long gone, but if I was, then I would not be saying nor expressing any new ideas nor views at all.

The very reason why you human beings, in the days when this is being written, are taking so long to 'catch up' and 'see' what the actual Truth of things is, exactly, is because, just like you "atla", you adult human beings keep fighting, arguing, and quarreling, over what you 'currently' believe is true, which a fair amount of that comes from what you were 'taught' in elementary school.

Which shows and explains why it took you human beings so long to 'catch up' and 'see' that, actually, 'the sun does not revolve around the earth', for example.

If you adult human beings had stopped believing and stopped fighting for what you were 'taught' in elementary school, then you would have 'listened' to 'the one' who was, and is, just saying and expressing the actual Truth.

You honestly are too challenged to understand what I keep asking. How does the universe know how to do the exact kind of gradual development using mere cause and effect, that would get us exactly to humans?

you are too CLOSED to comprehend and understand that 'intent' has absolutely nothing at all to do with what I have been saying and claiming here.

your attempts at deflection and distraction are not going unnoticed "atla".

Also, why do you believe, absolutely, that the Universe, Itself, 'knew' or 'knows' how to do what is necessary to make the exact kind of 'gradual development', using so-called 'mere cause and effect', that would get, exactly, to you human beings?

Also, why do you think or believe that 'all of this' even about 'you', human beings, anyway?

What 'we' have here is more proof of just how 'self-centered' these adult human beings were, back in those days when this was being written.

This one absolutely believes that the Universe is about and for human beings. How much more NARROW, CLOSED, or self-centered could one get?

Once again, I will suggest "atla", just read 'my words' not from your already obtained 'prejudiced' perspective, but from a Truly OPEN perspective instead. That way you will 'look at' and 'see' things very, very differently.

you will also stop 'seeing' that there is 'intent' here anywhere. you will also stop 'seeing' that the Universe is 'about you', human beings.

Who the fuck cares that you haven't used those exact words, learn to communicate like a human.

Have I told 'you' what 'I' am here for, in this forum?

You still have zero evidence for your evolution claim.

LOL you are a complete and utter idiot here "atla", and for two reasons.

Cause and effect is implicit in everything, and everyone knows this, not just in evolution, so it's completely idiotic and irrelevant to bring it up.

So, how can a 'gradual development' or 'change' happen, if there is, supposedly and allegedly, NO 'cause and effect' in evolution?

Also, you continually saying and claiming that 'everyone knows this', besides being absolutely False, Wrong, and Incorrect is about the most worthless attempt at trying to justify 'your own personal position', "atla".

So, "atla" believes, absolutely, that 'cause and effect' is implicit in absolutely everything, except 'evolution', which is even more stupid the more one reads it and thinks about it.

To "atla" 'evolution' happens, but just not through 'cause and effect'. So, how, exactly, does 'evolution' happen and occur, to you, "atla"?

You are incapable of proving your mind, mind-matter duality, evolution, time travel and infinite human potential beliefs, therefore I have every reason to view you as just a delusional liar, nothing more.

Again, please, please keep believing that this is absolutely true, right, accurate, and correct.

The more you do, the more you are helping 'me', and, the more you are 'proving' my other claims absolutely and irrefutably True, Right, Accurate, and Correct.

You are completely, hopelessly mentally retarded.

Okay. If this is what you believe is absolutely true, then, to you, this is, exactly, who and what 'I' am, to 'you'.

It was proven centuries ago that the Sun doesn't revolve around the Earth.

So what?

How does this relate to your previous sentence and claim?

But you haven't shown any proof ever for your self-serving, pathological, retarded, miserable, whiny, narcissistic fantasies that you can't live without because you are completely weak.

Okay.

You are incapable of proving your mind, mind-matter duality, evolution, time travel and infinite human potential beliefs, therefore I have every reason to view you as just a delusional liar, nothing more.

But if 'you' view 'me' as 'a delusional liar, and nothing more', then why do also 'see' and 'view me' as a 'self-serving, pathological, miserable, whiny, narcissistic, completely weak, and completely hopelessly mentally retarded, as well?

So, how can a 'gradual development' or 'change' happen, if there is, supposedly and allegedly, NO 'cause and effect' in evolution?

Also, you continually saying and claiming that 'everyone knows this', besides being absolutely False, Wrong, and Incorrect is about the most worthless attempt at trying to justify 'your own personal position', "atla".

So, "atla" believes, absolutely, that 'cause and effect' is implicit in absolutely everything, except 'evolution', which is even more stupid the more one reads it and thinks about it.

To "atla" 'evolution' happens, but just not through 'cause and effect'. So, how, exactly, does 'evolution' happen and occur, to you, "atla"?

Learn to read, idiot

Once again, this one has proven that it is completely and utterly incapable of clarifying anything. Because it knows that if it did, then it would contradict and/or refute what it has previously said and claimed here.

So, once more, this one has failed absolutely to back up and support what it says and claims here.

Even this one's suggestion and order to 'learn to read, idiot', it could not back up and support in regards to 'what' it is, exactly, that it believes, absolutely, that I have not read.

[Iwannaplato]

So, once more, this one has failed absolutely to back up and support what it says and claims here.

And for example, this is a belief, or actually several beliefs. Also referring to him as 'it' entails beliefs.
If you want to argue that since it is correct it is not a belief but knowledge, this makes no sense since you have said you have one belief, rather than one thing that you know.

Your posts are filled with beliefs, and with regularity words like absolute, proof, proving, irrefutable including in the assertions expressing your beliefs.

If you do not believe things that have been proven, according to you, or are irrefutable, this would be ridiculous.
If you do believe these things that are proved and/or irrefutable then you have many beliefs and not just one or none, each of which you have asserted.

Also not only do you believe that he failed, but you believe he failed absolutely. You also believe you understand what he asserted there. So, the beliefs multiply.

It is unfortunate that you either are pretending not to understand something so fundamental about yourself OR you simple are so unaware of what you do and say. Either way, unfortunate.

Regardless of which of these unfortunate situations are in place, denying the obvious, were it effective, is a kind of mind fuck. A patter with gaslighters and other people using tricks (consciously or not) for dominance.

[Atla]

And, 'the sun revolves around the earth', was taught at elementary school, and for those that were saying and claiming that actually 'the earth revolves around the sun', they were informed that what is 'usually meant' is the truth and the right way to 'look at' and 'see' things. Also, if one said and claimed that actually 'the earth revolves around the sun', then they were also questioned with things like, 'Did you even finish elementary school?'.

That 'the sun revolves around the earth' is the 'usual thing' and that this is so basic it is even taught in elementary school, and that if one 'looks at' and 'sees' things differently from what was taught 'back' in elementary school, and it is not what is 'usually meant', then that one must be wrong.

Look "atla" I asked you WHERE did you get that definition from, exactly? and your reply is, 'It is what the word 'usually means', then you could not have produced a weaker attempt here at trying to fight and argue for 'your position'.

And, why you would say, 'Yep', in reply to a clarifying question, says a lot about what you are 'currently' holding as presumptions and/or beliefs here.

The 'definition' you provided here sounds exactly like one you believe fits the word 'evolution', exactly, but which you have not obtained nor gathered from absolutely anywhere other than from your very own imagination and/or belief here only.

So, did you get 'that definiton' from anywhere other than from your own made up imagination and thinking?

If yes, then WHERE, exactly?

How long does it take this one to actually answer and clarify the actual clarifying questions I pose, and ask it?



your continual attempts of 'ridicule' of 'me' only reinforce how weak and unsure you really are here.

People tried for numerous years to ridicule the one saying and claiming that actually it is 'the earth that revolves around the sun', and because that one already had 'the proof' presented to them, no matter what attempts nor how many attempts others made to try to discredit and/or ridicule 'that one', what that one was saying and claiming proved to be true and right. And, no matter how many other believed otherwise.

Are you even aware that I could just keep re-repeating what was being taught in elementary schools in days long gone, but if I was, then I would not be saying nor expressing any new ideas nor views at all.

The very reason why you human beings, in the days when this is being written, are taking so long to 'catch up' and 'see' what the actual Truth of things is, exactly, is because, just like you "atla", you adult human beings keep fighting, arguing, and quarreling, over what you 'currently' believe is true, which a fair amount of that comes from what you were 'taught' in elementary school.

Which shows and explains why it took you human beings so long to 'catch up' and 'see' that, actually, 'the sun does not revolve around the earth', for example.

If you adult human beings had stopped believing and stopped fighting for what you were 'taught' in elementary school, then you would have 'listened' to 'the one' who was, and is, just saying and expressing the actual Truth.


you are too CLOSED to comprehend and understand that 'intent' has absolutely nothing at all to do with what I have been saying and claiming here.

your attempts at deflection and distraction are not going unnoticed "atla".

Also, why do you believe, absolutely, that the Universe, Itself, 'knew' or 'knows' how to do what is necessary to make the exact kind of 'gradual development', using so-called 'mere cause and effect', that would get, exactly, to you human beings?

Also, why do you think or believe that 'all of this' even about 'you', human beings, anyway?

What 'we' have here is more proof of just how 'self-centered' these adult human beings were, back in those days when this was being written.

This one absolutely believes that the Universe is about and for human beings. How much more NARROW, CLOSED, or self-centered could one get?

Once again, I will suggest "atla", just read 'my words' not from your already obtained 'prejudiced' perspective, but from a Truly OPEN perspective instead. That way you will 'look at' and 'see' things very, very differently.

you will also stop 'seeing' that there is 'intent' here anywhere. you will also stop 'seeing' that the Universe is 'about you', human beings.


Have I told 'you' what 'I' am here for, in this forum?


LOL you are a complete and utter idiot here "atla", and for two reasons.



So, how can a 'gradual development' or 'change' happen, if there is, supposedly and allegedly, NO 'cause and effect' in evolution?

Also, you continually saying and claiming that 'everyone knows this', besides being absolutely False, Wrong, and Incorrect is about the most worthless attempt at trying to justify 'your own personal position', "atla".

So, "atla" believes, absolutely, that 'cause and effect' is implicit in absolutely everything, except 'evolution', which is even more stupid the more one reads it and thinks about it.

To "atla" 'evolution' happens, but just not through 'cause and effect'. So, how, exactly, does 'evolution' happen and occur, to you, "atla"?


Again, please, please keep believing that this is absolutely true, right, accurate, and correct.

The more you do, the more you are helping 'me', and, the more you are 'proving' my other claims absolutely and irrefutably True, Right, Accurate, and Correct.

You are completely, hopelessly mentally retarded.

Okay. If this is what you believe is absolutely true, then, to you, this is, exactly, who and what 'I' am, to 'you'.

It was proven centuries ago that the Sun doesn't revolve around the Earth.

So what?

How does this relate to your previous sentence and claim?

But you haven't shown any proof ever for your self-serving, pathological, retarded, miserable, whiny, narcissistic fantasies that you can't live without because you are completely weak.

Okay.

You are incapable of proving your mind, mind-matter duality, evolution, time travel and infinite human potential beliefs, therefore I have every reason to view you as just a delusional liar, nothing more.

But if 'you' view 'me' as 'a delusional liar, and nothing more', then why do also 'see' and 'view me' as a 'self-serving, pathological, miserable, whiny, narcissistic, completely weak, and completely hopelessly mentally retarded, as well?

And unable to communicate properly. If you could, you would be able to answer your own question.

So, how can a 'gradual development' or 'change' happen, if there is, supposedly and allegedly, NO 'cause and effect' in evolution?

Also, you continually saying and claiming that 'everyone knows this', besides being absolutely False, Wrong, and Incorrect is about the most worthless attempt at trying to justify 'your own personal position', "atla".

So, "atla" believes, absolutely, that 'cause and effect' is implicit in absolutely everything, except 'evolution', which is even more stupid the more one reads it and thinks about it.

To "atla" 'evolution' happens, but just not through 'cause and effect'. So, how, exactly, does 'evolution' happen and occur, to you, "atla"?

Learn to read, idiot

Once again, this one has proven that it is completely and utterly incapable of clarifying anything. Because it knows that if it did, then it would contradict and/or refute what it has previously said and claimed here.

So, once more, this one has failed absolutely to back up and support what it says and claims here.

Even this one's suggestion and order to 'learn to read, idiot', it could not back up and support in regards to 'what' it is, exactly, that it believes, absolutely, that I have not read.

As I said, at least learn to read. You think I said that evolution happens without cause and effect, which puts you into the category of people who even have trouble counting their fingers.

You are incapable of proving your mind, mind-matter duality, evolution, time travel and infinite human potential beliefs, therefore I have every reason to view you as just a delusional liar, nothing more.

[Age]

List some of the many beliefs, which you absolutely believe I have "iwannaplato".

To do this, to point out something so obvious to you, that you must be aware of yourself, is to insult your intelligence to a degree well beyond anything Atla has done.

Are you some kind of absolute idiot "iwannaplato?

There is absolutely nothing you could ever say or do that could insult 'me'.

You have repeatedly said to many people that they are proving they are [different synonyms for stupid and having absolute beliefs] in a certain post.

So what?

If this is what someone is doing, and I can prove it, then that is just what they are doing. So, again, so what?

This has happened in the dozens of times, if not hundreds, and about a number of individuals.

And, you, still, have absolutely no idea what 'stupid' means, in the context that I use it. Thus, proving, exactly, what I have been pointing out, saying, and showing here, with the help from ones like you "iwannaplato"

You also have beliefs about 'the people at the time that is being written' which you have repeated many times.

I asked you to present a list of beliefs that you believe I have. you present absolutely none, and then go on to say, 'you 'also' have beliefs about ....

1. you have not presented one belief before this one.

2. Just saying and claiming, 'you have beliefs about, 'the people at any time', is NOT listing what the actual beliefs are, which you believe, absolutely, that I have.

Just like the actual beliefs that you believe I have "iwannaplato". What are you absolutely afraid and scared of here?

In the former belief

In 'what', supposed and alleged, 'former belief'?

And, what is the, supposed and alleged, 'latter belief'?

As can be clearly seen and proved absolutely True here, this one has not yet listed absolutely any of the actual beliefs that I, supposedly, have, and which you absolutely believe I have.

And, the reason for this is so obvious.

you have about people proving they are stupid, there are sub-beliefs.

Talk about deflection and deception in the highest degree.

So, instead of actually listing any actual believed beliefs at all, this one has chosen to go on another tangent about 'sub-beliefs'.

Just about everything that this one has said and written in this thread has been a tangent away from 'Creation, and, Evolution'.

For example, they are proving they are stupid and in a global way.

If you are proving something, then this does not have to be 'a belief', nor 'a sub-belief', at all. you are just proving some thing. Simple, really.

Not, for example, providing some evidence of that, but proving. Not 'making a mistake', but proving their global stupidity. So, each time you do this there is a belief that that post proved their stupidity or other negative global attribute.

This is what you believe is absolutely and irrefutably true and right "iwannaplato".

But, what you keep missing here is that I have absolutely no belief here, regarding any of this.

However, and as I keep pointing out, showing, and proving irrefutably True, and Right, when you are believing something is true, then you are not OPEN to seeing and hearing what is actually True and Right. you just keep seeing and hearing what you believe is true. This is, exactly, how 'confirmation bias' works. Again, as 'I' keep USING 'you' to show and prove, to 'others', here.

You have your belief about the One True Mind.

But it is not 'a belief'. Although you are not, yet, OPEN to seeing and understanding this irrefutable Fact.

Once again, what you believe is true "iwannaplato" is not necessarily true at all. But, you seem to keep forgetting this irrefutable Fact.

You have your belief that you only have one belief. You have your belief that you have no beliefs.

But, contrary to 'your belief' 'I' do not have these beliefs, which you believe I absolutely do.

But, again, you will never ever see nor comprehend and understand this while you keep having and maintaining these beliefs of yours here.

You have the recent threads like this one that open with a range of beliefs.

See how you, once again, do not list any actual beliefs, you just, once more, allude to that 'there are beliefs'.

So, 'now', what these 'range of beliefs', which you believe exist here? Will you list them?

If yes, then great.

But, if no, then why not?

Or perhaps you don't believe in what you say there, which would be idiotic in a different way.

But, when "atla" claimed that it did not believe in what it said, you never ever criticized it for doing so.

Also, 'we' are 'now' 'back' to 'seeing' 'you' and 'your belief' about how people 'have to' believe in what they say or they are then 'being idiotic'.

Which shows and proves just how much belief you have in beliefs. And, you have and maintain this belief so strongly that you actually believe that human beings cannot live and exist without beliefs.

Which, to some, is Truly 'unbelievable', as some would say, that you have so much 'faith' or 'belief' in beliefs, themselves.

But, as I have already partly explained, this is what happens when one has been indoctrinated so religiously into things.

You have all your irrefutable beliefs.

Again, no list, just further claims.

For example why are the first two sentences, 'Every action causes a reaction. Always has, and, always will',so-called 'word salad' to you?

Can you really not yet comprehend and understand this most irrefutable Fact?

If I search your posts I find irrefutable has

1586 matches

So what?

If something is an irrefutable Truth, then that thing is just irrefutably True. Which, obviously, you could not refute.

Is there any real issue here?

If yes, then what is 'that', exactly?

Now people are quoting you, and you are quoting earlier discussions, so you have said this many less times. But you have said this often AND about a variety of things. Not just one belief you have, but many.

But I have no beliefs here regarding these things. you just believe I do. And, while you keep believing I do, you cannot see anything contrary to 'your belief'.

Again, as I keep pointing out, showing, and proving True here. Again, thanks to you and your help here "iwannaplato"?

I suggest that if this really was a sincere question, that you search your own posts for irrefutable. Find those places where you have said something is irrefutable or an irrefutable fact. You'll see that there is either

1) a lot of your beliefs there
or
2) for some odd reason you do not believe in what you call irrefutable facts.

Even after all of the 'time' here "iwannaplato" you, still, cannot fathom the fact that once some thing is an irrefutable Truth, then there is no need to believe that that thing is true. It just is.

Do you see why this is insulting your intelligence to point out things so obvious it's like having to show you your own hands.

If only you 'knew' "iwannaplato". If only you 'knew'.

Just out of curiosity, could it ever be a possibility that 'I' was USING 'you', back then, to point out things, which are 'now', to 'us', so blatantly obvious that 'we' 'now' wonder why 'we' did not 'see' them earlier on?

I have now done this 'little thing' for you.

LOL "iwannaplato" I asked you to list some things. you, contrary to what you 'currently' believe is absolutely true, you have not done so.

I won't directly engage you on this topic in the near future, because I can only expect, sadly, your inability to actually introspect, consider any core mistake on your part, given what I and others have experienced with you here.

you keep claiming that you 'ignore' me or that you will not 'engage' with me. But, you keep doing so.

Can you and will you explain why you keep contradicting "yourself" here?

Also, what does the 'near future' mean or refer to, to you, exactly, "iwannaplato"?

Is this an absolute belief? No, you might finally admit you have a lot of beliefs and accept your humanity and participation in situ in the present time for all I know.

I know what beliefs that are within this head "iwannaplato". And, contrary to what you believe is absolutely true here, you do not.

So, go off and investigate what I think was a disingenuous question yourself if you are actually interested. You have the tools and I helped get you started if you don't have them.

Just so you learn and become wiser "iwannaplato" every one of your claims here in regards to 'me' and beliefs are Wrong and Incorrect.

Are you able to go away and consider this? Or, will your 'current' beliefs not allow you to recognize, see, nor hear and comprehend and understand this Fact?