Creation - Evolution

[Age]

nothing to see here.. just another incomprehensible thread by Age...

Kropotkin

Yup

Yep, there is, supposedly, absolutely nothing at all to 'look at' and 'see' here. But, yet, 'they', still, 'look', and 'see', and comment.

[Age]

I would say yes, it does, good point Walker.

Evolution says that one species can change into another species.

What about, race?

I've read that book from cover to cover twice.
"Race" doe not mean what you think it means.

And, what does 'race', in that book, mean, to you "sculptor"?

Also, is it like how the term and phrase, 'survival of the fittest', in that book, does not mean what 'you' think it means as well?

And, remember, when 'you' see words like 'you' above here do not presume nor jump to conclusions about what 'is meant'.

If that books gets cancelled then it will be one of your MAGA dickbrains who are banning books all through Alabama and Florida.
In fact I am pretty sure it is banned already, by red necks like you

[Age]

Evolution says that one species can change into another species.

What about, race?

From what I can gather, there is no longer any such thing as race. That's what the scientists seem to be saying. I don't know what the "proper" term now is to describe what used to be called the different races. But, yes, evolution is responsible for the phenomenon formerly known as race.

I wonder if it was the scientists who decided there was no longer any such person as Prince?

Darwin was not talking about "race" as we know it. The OofS does not go into humans in the slightest. For much of the book he was talking about variation due to domestic breeding. What he said about dogs sheep and pidgeons he used to help understand how living things evolve in nature.
"Variation under Domestication" poses the agent of selection has a series of human choices which is an analogue of evlutionary pressure due to the environment in nature.
You should read it - its wonderfully written.

Which version or edition, exactly?

[Atla]

So, here 'we' have another example of this one trying to deflect, and thus attempting to deceive here, again.

1. you have not yet clarified if you even actually believe what you said, or not.

2. What, exactly, is my supposed usage of the 'belief' word, from your perspective?

Okay. To 'you', 'I' am incapable of proving these things. 'We' already 'know' what 'you' 'believe' is true here.

'We' also know that you have been incapable of disproving, countering, and/or refuting absolutely anything of what I have said and claimed here, as well.

You are incapable of proving your mind,

Are you capable of proving 'your mind'?

Also, why do you presume or believe that I have 'my mind'?

mind-matter duality,

Are you capable of proving 'your nonduality'?

Also, why do you presume or believe that I claim there is 'my mind-matter duality'?

Remember it is 'you' who claims that 'you' have 'your mind'. Thus, it is 'you' who is, contradictory, claiming that there is a 'mind'-'you/matter' 'duality'.

evolution,

Are you capable of proving 'evolution'?

Do you assume or believe that 'evolution' exists?

Or, do you presume or believe some thing just created 'all of this', 'in the beginning'?

If yes, then are you capable of proving 'your non-evolving, creation' theory or belief?

time travel

Are you capable of proving 'your 'current' human being Wrong phrased 'time travel' is not possible?

Are you even OPEN to what is Wrongly termed 'time travel' could even be possible?

and infinite human potential beliefs,

I am not even sure what you are saying and meaning here.

What is 'it', exactly, are you asking me if I am capable of proving here?

What even are so-called 'infinite human potential beliefs'?

In fact are you even capable of proving whatever 'it' is that you think or belief here?

therefore I have every reason to view you as just a delusional liar, nothing more.

Can 'we' also 'view you' as 'just a delusional liar, and nothing more', if 'we' also just decided that 'you are incapable of proving the above here'?

Or, does this 'viewing' 'the other' as 'a delusional liar, and nothing more', "atla", only, allowed, to work 'one way', only?

Now this one even pretends to have absolutely no idea what its own beliefs are, the ones it kept babbling about for 5+ years straight all day every day.

You are incapable of proving your mind, mind-matter duality, evolution, time travel and infinite human potential beliefs, therefore I have every reason to view you as just a delusional liar, nothing more.

[Atla]

Notice that this person, Age, who thinks he knows how we can solve all the problems at this time
is willing to try to create tensions between people for his own gain.
In other words, Age, here, is pulling the same childish but also very destructive games that relatively powerful to extremely powerful people play in the time this is being written.

A desperate attempt from someone whose entire identity is built around a delusion that she/he is some kind of saviour from the future, a knower of the Absolute Truth, paragon of a new age. But this self-serving image is challenged here.

But 'this' has not been, actually, 'challenged'.

you two have just already formed presumptions, which you both have started believing are true, and so 'now' are just 'seeing' things from those already formed perceptions only.

And, the funniest thing here, when watching and observing this play out, is that some of the presumptions that you two have, jointly, made up and formed here are so utterly completely False and Wrong, but yet you two still believe them to be absolutely true.

LOL Some of things you two claim and allege you are 'challenging' exist solely in your two imaginations only. But, here you two are claiming that you are 'challenging' them.

I hope that you two really do not stop talking 'about me' here. As what you are saying and doing here is providing 'me' with irrefutable proof for, and in regards to, what I will be saying and claiming about how the Mind and the brain really do work.

You are incapable of proving your mind, mind-matter duality, evolution, time travel and infinite human potential beliefs, therefore I have every reason to view you as just a delusional liar, nothing more.

[Age]

You are incapable of proving your mind,

Are you capable of proving 'your mind'?

Also, why do you presume or believe that I have 'my mind'?

mind-matter duality,

Are you capable of proving 'your nonduality'?

Also, why do you presume or believe that I claim there is 'my mind-matter duality'?

Remember it is 'you' who claims that 'you' have 'your mind'. Thus, it is 'you' who is, contradictory, claiming that there is a 'mind'-'you/matter' 'duality'.

evolution,

Are you capable of proving 'evolution'?

Do you assume or believe that 'evolution' exists?

Or, do you presume or believe some thing just created 'all of this', 'in the beginning'?

If yes, then are you capable of proving 'your non-evolving, creation' theory or belief?

time travel

Are you capable of proving 'your 'current' human being Wrong phrased 'time travel' is not possible?

Are you even OPEN to what is Wrongly termed 'time travel' could even be possible?

and infinite human potential beliefs,

I am not even sure what you are saying and meaning here.

What is 'it', exactly, are you asking me if I am capable of proving here?

What even are so-called 'infinite human potential beliefs'?

In fact are you even capable of proving whatever 'it' is that you think or belief here?

therefore I have every reason to view you as just a delusional liar, nothing more.

Can 'we' also 'view you' as 'just a delusional liar, and nothing more', if 'we' also just decided that 'you are incapable of proving the above here'?

Or, does this 'viewing' 'the other' as 'a delusional liar, and nothing more', "atla", only, allowed, to work 'one way', only?

Now this one even pretends to have absolutely no idea what its own beliefs are, the ones it kept babbling about for 5+ years straight all day every day.

See how much this one tries to deceive the readers here?

"atla", once again, I have no beliefs here. So, it is an impossibility for me to pretend to have absolutely no idea in regards to what I actually do not even have, anyway.

And, let 'us' not forget that it was actually you who tried to pretend that you do not have beliefs, which you decided to suddenly just call 'hard beliefs'.

Which, remember you have not even 'justified' at all. Even though clarity was sought out and asked, from you.

You are incapable of proving your mind, mind-matter duality, evolution, time travel and infinite human potential beliefs, therefore I have every reason to view you as just a delusional liar, nothing more.

And, you have shown that you are completely incapable of just 'clarifying' your claims, let alone getting anywhere even close to 'proving' your claims here true and/or right.

[Age]

A desperate attempt from someone whose entire identity is built around a delusion that she/he is some kind of saviour from the future, a knower of the Absolute Truth, paragon of a new age. But this self-serving image is challenged here.

But 'this' has not been, actually, 'challenged'.

you two have just already formed presumptions, which you both have started believing are true, and so 'now' are just 'seeing' things from those already formed perceptions only.

And, the funniest thing here, when watching and observing this play out, is that some of the presumptions that you two have, jointly, made up and formed here are so utterly completely False and Wrong, but yet you two still believe them to be absolutely true.

LOL Some of things you two claim and allege you are 'challenging' exist solely in your two imaginations only. But, here you two are claiming that you are 'challenging' them.

I hope that you two really do not stop talking 'about me' here. As what you are saying and doing here is providing 'me' with irrefutable proof for, and in regards to, what I will be saying and claiming about how the Mind and the brain really do work.

You are incapable of proving your mind, mind-matter duality, evolution, time travel and infinite human potential beliefs, therefore I have every reason to view you as just a delusional liar, nothing more.

And you, obviously, are completely incapable of disproving absolutely anything I have said and claimed here.

you cannot even just explain what some so-called made up, 'infinite human potential beliefs', term or saying even means nor could even be referring to, at all.

So, 'I' will be the first to admit that I do not even want to prove something, which you have just made up. I will even admit that I have absolutely no idea what those words could even be referring to, let alone what they could mean, exactly.

And, as you keep proving irrefutably True, asking you to clarify what you even mean you are completely incapable of doing.

[Peter Kropotkin]

nothing to see here.. just another incomprehensible thread by Age...

Kropotkin

Yup

Yep, there is, supposedly, absolutely nothing at all to 'look at' and 'see' here. But, yet, 'they', still, 'look', and 'see', and comment.

K: kinda like watching a train wreck.. you just can't stop looking even if,
even if you know it's going to be really, really ugly...
and you provide them wrecks with every single post..... in spades...

Kropotkin

[Atla]

Are you capable of proving 'your mind'?

Also, why do you presume or believe that I have 'my mind'?


Are you capable of proving 'your nonduality'?

Also, why do you presume or believe that I claim there is 'my mind-matter duality'?

Remember it is 'you' who claims that 'you' have 'your mind'. Thus, it is 'you' who is, contradictory, claiming that there is a 'mind'-'you/matter' 'duality'.


Are you capable of proving 'evolution'?

Do you assume or believe that 'evolution' exists?

Or, do you presume or believe some thing just created 'all of this', 'in the beginning'?

If yes, then are you capable of proving 'your non-evolving, creation' theory or belief?


Are you capable of proving 'your 'current' human being Wrong phrased 'time travel' is not possible?

Are you even OPEN to what is Wrongly termed 'time travel' could even be possible?



I am not even sure what you are saying and meaning here.

What is 'it', exactly, are you asking me if I am capable of proving here?

What even are so-called 'infinite human potential beliefs'?

In fact are you even capable of proving whatever 'it' is that you think or belief here?


Can 'we' also 'view you' as 'just a delusional liar, and nothing more', if 'we' also just decided that 'you are incapable of proving the above here'?

Or, does this 'viewing' 'the other' as 'a delusional liar, and nothing more', "atla", only, allowed, to work 'one way', only?

Now this one even pretends to have absolutely no idea what its own beliefs are, the ones it kept babbling about for 5+ years straight all day every day.

See how much this one tries to deceive the readers here?

"atla", once again, I have no beliefs here. So, it is an impossibility for me to pretend to have absolutely no idea in regards to what I actually do not even have, anyway.

And, let 'us' not forget that it was actually you who tried to pretend that you do not have beliefs, which you decided to suddenly just call 'hard beliefs'.

Which, remember you have not even 'justified' at all. Even though clarity was sought out and asked, from you.

You are incapable of proving your mind, mind-matter duality, evolution, time travel and infinite human potential beliefs, therefore I have every reason to view you as just a delusional liar, nothing more.

And, you have shown that you are completely incapable of just 'clarifying' your claims, let alone getting anywhere even close to 'proving' your claims here true and/or right.

My claims are justified, liar. Your problem that your identity is based around a delusion system. You only have yourself to thank.

You are incapable of proving your mind, mind-matter duality, evolution, time travel and infinite human potential beliefs, therefore I have every reason to view you as just a delusional liar, nothing more.

[Atla]

But 'this' has not been, actually, 'challenged'.

you two have just already formed presumptions, which you both have started believing are true, and so 'now' are just 'seeing' things from those already formed perceptions only.

And, the funniest thing here, when watching and observing this play out, is that some of the presumptions that you two have, jointly, made up and formed here are so utterly completely False and Wrong, but yet you two still believe them to be absolutely true.

LOL Some of things you two claim and allege you are 'challenging' exist solely in your two imaginations only. But, here you two are claiming that you are 'challenging' them.

I hope that you two really do not stop talking 'about me' here. As what you are saying and doing here is providing 'me' with irrefutable proof for, and in regards to, what I will be saying and claiming about how the Mind and the brain really do work.

You are incapable of proving your mind, mind-matter duality, evolution, time travel and infinite human potential beliefs, therefore I have every reason to view you as just a delusional liar, nothing more.

And you, obviously, are completely incapable of disproving absolutely anything I have said and claimed here.

you cannot even just explain what some so-called made up, 'infinite human potential beliefs', term or saying even means nor could even be referring to, at all.

So, 'I' will be the first to admit that I do not even want to prove something, which you have just made up. I will even admit that I have absolutely no idea what those words could even be referring to, let alone what they could mean, exactly.

And, as you keep proving irrefutably True, asking you to clarify what you even mean you are completely incapable of doing.

More lies, selective amnesia

You are incapable of proving your mind, mind-matter duality, evolution, time travel and infinite human potential beliefs, therefore I have every reason to view you as just a delusional liar, nothing more.

This was the 523th or so time you were incapable of proving any of your above beliefs.

[Age]

Yup

Yep, there is, supposedly, absolutely nothing at all to 'look at' and 'see' here. But, yet, 'they', still, 'look', and 'see', and comment.

K: kinda like watching a train wreck.. you just can't stop looking even if,
even if you know it's going to be really, really ugly...
and you provide them wrecks with every single post..... in spades...

Kropotkin

Okay. If you say and believe so, then I must be so.

[Age]

Now this one even pretends to have absolutely no idea what its own beliefs are, the ones it kept babbling about for 5+ years straight all day every day.

See how much this one tries to deceive the readers here?

"atla", once again, I have no beliefs here. So, it is an impossibility for me to pretend to have absolutely no idea in regards to what I actually do not even have, anyway.

And, let 'us' not forget that it was actually you who tried to pretend that you do not have beliefs, which you decided to suddenly just call 'hard beliefs'.

Which, remember you have not even 'justified' at all. Even though clarity was sought out and asked, from you.

You are incapable of proving your mind, mind-matter duality, evolution, time travel and infinite human potential beliefs, therefore I have every reason to view you as just a delusional liar, nothing more.

And, you have shown that you are completely incapable of just 'clarifying' your claims, let alone getting anywhere even close to 'proving' your claims here true and/or right.

My claims are justified, liar.

Okay. So, this one believes that it just has to say, 'My claims are justified', and that that is all this one has to do.

Yet, it also believes that I have to justify my claims, otherwise it then, automatically, believes that I am incapable of proving things.

Your problem that your identity is based around a delusion system. You only have yourself to thank.

Okay, and when I ask you to clarify what is my, supposed and alleged, 'identity', exactly, you will never answer and clarify, right?

Also, if I was to ask you what is this 'delusional system', which you are going on about here, exactly, then you would never answer and clarify this neither, would you?

You are incapable of proving your mind, mind-matter duality, evolution, time travel and infinite human potential beliefs, therefore I have every reason to view you as just a delusional liar, nothing more.

Yes 'we' know what you believe is absolutely true here "atla".

you are just incapable of proving this true though.

you are also incapable of countering and/or refuting what I have already said and claimed here. As you keep proving so.

The Universe is Evolving, always, while Creating Itself.

you, obviously, cannot refute nor counter this. So, you will just keep saying and claiming what you are here, even though you are incapable of proving what you say and claim here.

[Age]

You are incapable of proving your mind, mind-matter duality, evolution, time travel and infinite human potential beliefs, therefore I have every reason to view you as just a delusional liar, nothing more.

And you, obviously, are completely incapable of disproving absolutely anything I have said and claimed here.

you cannot even just explain what some so-called made up, 'infinite human potential beliefs', term or saying even means nor could even be referring to, at all.

So, 'I' will be the first to admit that I do not even want to prove something, which you have just made up. I will even admit that I have absolutely no idea what those words could even be referring to, let alone what they could mean, exactly.

And, as you keep proving irrefutably True, asking you to clarify what you even mean you are completely incapable of doing.

More lies, selective amnesia

You are incapable of proving your mind, mind-matter duality, evolution, time travel and infinite human potential beliefs, therefore I have every reason to view you as just a delusional liar, nothing more.

This was the 523th or so time you were incapable of proving any of your above beliefs.

Okay, if you say so. And, what you say here is an absolute truth right, and not a delusional claim and belief of yours at all correct?

[Age]

Is there absolutely anyone who would like to discuss the below, and/or question and/or challenge it?

Every action has a reaction.

Every reaction is a new creation.

Every new creation evolves.

Every evolving creation interacts with other creations.

The Universe is, fundamentally, made up of 'matter', and a distance between and around matter. This distance is 'space'.

The action of when matter interacts with itself causes a reaction, and thus a new creation.

This always occurring action/reaction process is how all things/the Universe, Itself, are/is evolving.

The evolving-creation process that the Universe, Itself, is in is eternal.

Obviously, the posters here so far have been incapable of countering or refuting any of this.

[Atla]

See how much this one tries to deceive the readers here?

"atla", once again, I have no beliefs here. So, it is an impossibility for me to pretend to have absolutely no idea in regards to what I actually do not even have, anyway.

And, let 'us' not forget that it was actually you who tried to pretend that you do not have beliefs, which you decided to suddenly just call 'hard beliefs'.

Which, remember you have not even 'justified' at all. Even though clarity was sought out and asked, from you.


And, you have shown that you are completely incapable of just 'clarifying' your claims, let alone getting anywhere even close to 'proving' your claims here true and/or right.

My claims are justified, liar.

Okay. So, this one believes that it just has to say, 'My claims are justified', and that that is all this one has to do.

Yet, it also believes that I have to justify my claims, otherwise it then, automatically, believes that I am incapable of proving things.

Your problem that your identity is based around a delusion system. You only have yourself to thank.

Okay, and when I ask you to clarify what is my, supposed and alleged, 'identity', exactly, you will never answer and clarify, right?

Also, if I was to ask you what is this 'delusional system', which you are going on about here, exactly, then you would never answer and clarify this neither, would you?

You are incapable of proving your mind, mind-matter duality, evolution, time travel and infinite human potential beliefs, therefore I have every reason to view you as just a delusional liar, nothing more.

Yes 'we' know what you believe is absolutely true here "atla".

you are just incapable of proving this true though.

you are also incapable of countering and/or refuting what I have already said and claimed here. As you keep proving so.

The Universe is Evolving, always, while Creating Itself.

you, obviously, cannot refute nor counter this. So, you will just keep saying and claiming what you are here, even though you are incapable of proving what you say and claim here.

Of course I can refute it. Evolution only happens on Earth and the rest of the universe is exactly right for evolution on Earth to be possible. But no one has shown that the entire universe is evolving.

And creation is far more than just cause and effect. Cause and effect in itself is just a random process in the sense that it doesn't "create" a gradually evolving process.

You are incapable of proving your mind, mind-matter duality, evolution, time travel and infinite human potential beliefs, therefore I have every reason to view you as just a delusional liar, nothing more.