Sex and the Religious-Left

[Sculptor]

Harbal: So if you do not approve of my social conduct, or my ethical stance, some course of action is justified, in order to bring those things more in line with what you consider acceptable? Is that what you mean?

And what form would this action take?

Classical liberal arts education.

Going on this course you might know how to bullshit in several areas, but would nver know anything in depth.

[Dubious]

Harbal: So if you do not approve of my social conduct, or my ethical stance, some course of action is justified, in order to bring those things more in line with what you consider acceptable? Is that what you mean?

And what form would this action take?

Classical liberal arts education.

...in which one must be exceedingly selective to avoid stagnation. Living only once, I'd rather play my own mind games than replay those of countless others. Everyone mentioned within that liberal context did exactly that.

[Alexis Jacobi]

Harbal,

Links are part-and-parcel of the communication process on forums. If someone posts a link you should at least see what it is.

I want to know what you think.

I think that because *we* (our education system basically) does not base education on those classics, people have lost contact with the real and genuine roots of our civilization. That is exactly what I think.

But I'm not interested in that, I just want to know how the society you would have us living in would affect me.

In this thread, in a loose concert with Wizard who has his own list of concerns, I have been talking about my view of core values. These values are all interrelated. They are not independent, disconnected items. Therefore, I can make the coherent statement that Occidental values, that which built our civilization, are bound together into a fabric.

So to say “I am not interested in that”, while I can say that I respect your choices, is a mistaken stance.

I won’t have you living in any society! You and I both live in this society. And whst I have spoken of has to do with reform, reinvigoration, rediscovery of all that which has made us us.

I have no power. I only tell you what I think is needed.

Don’t worry. We won’t be grabbing kids up and forcing a four year Great Books program on them.

[Alexis Jacobi]

Going on this course you might know how to bullshit in several areas, but would never know anything in depth.

You come up with extraordinary statements.

[Atla]

Hitler, in the present usage, is meant as a symbol of ontological evil.

Nobody believes in ontological evil. Hitler was this very bad man who did exceptionally evil stuff. And you are this weird man who needs to avoid saying that but also wants nobody to notice.

Tough one isn't it. Inside, Hitler was actually a rather good person, but what he did was rather evil. He was convinced he was doing the right thing for his people, and he had an unnaturally strong inner conviction, confidence that made him SO sure that he was on the right track. This kind of abnormal conviction is only found in a few people and it's usually not healthy imo. Maybe Cromwell had a similar personality, and in the present day it could be Tusk from Poland.

As a person, Stalin was easily the more evil one. And eugenics was seriously considered internationally.

If Hitler had stopped at annexing the territories with German populations, and not start preemptive wars, maybe the world war could have been avoided, but he was unable to take that risk and the rest is history.

Hitler also knew little about what was going on in the concentration camps. As a person he couldn't bear to hear about it, so he left it to his men unfortunately.

[Gary Childress]

Hitler, in the present usage, is meant as a symbol of ontological evil.

Nobody believes in ontological evil. Hitler was this very bad man who did exceptionally evil stuff. And you are this weird man who needs to avoid saying that but also wants nobody to notice.

Tough one isn't it. Inside, Hitler was actually a good person, but what he did was rather evil. He was convinced he was doing the right thing for his people, and he had an unnaturally strong inner conviction, confidence that made him SO sure that he was on the right track. This kind of abnormal conviction is only found in a few people and it's usually not healthy imo. Maybe Cromwell had a similar personality, and in the present day it could be Tusk from Poland.

As a person, Stalin was easily the more evil one. And eugenics was seriously considered internationally.

If Hitler had stopped at annexing the territories with German populations, and not start preemptive wars, maybe the world war could have been avoided, but he was unable to take that risk and the rest is history.

Hitler also knew little about what was going on in the concentration camps. As a person he couldn't bear to hear about it, so he left it to his men unfortunately.

The banality of evil. George Bush Jr. is supposedly a "nice" fellow. He paints portraits of wounded vets. It's difficult to look at this video of him and know he is responsible for the death of millions of people in the Middle East. To be fair, perhaps much of what happened can be credited to his advisors and others who ran his administration.

Think of it. Millions of people died as a result of his decisions. And he stands up to a camera and sounds like a "nice guy".

[Gary Childress]

Going on this course you might know how to bullshit in several areas, but would never know anything in depth.

You come up with extraordinary statements.

And you really know how to piss people off who've been pissed on most of their lives.

[Atla]

Nobody believes in ontological evil. Hitler was this very bad man who did exceptionally evil stuff. And you are this weird man who needs to avoid saying that but also wants nobody to notice.

Tough one isn't it. Inside, Hitler was actually a good person, but what he did was rather evil. He was convinced he was doing the right thing for his people, and he had an unnaturally strong inner conviction, confidence that made him SO sure that he was on the right track. This kind of abnormal conviction is only found in a few people and it's usually not healthy imo. Maybe Cromwell had a similar personality, and in the present day it could be Tusk from Poland.

As a person, Stalin was easily the more evil one. And eugenics was seriously considered internationally.

If Hitler had stopped at annexing the territories with German populations, and not start preemptive wars, maybe the world war could have been avoided, but he was unable to take that risk and the rest is history.

Hitler also knew little about what was going on in the concentration camps. As a person he couldn't bear to hear about it, so he left it to his men unfortunately.

The banality of evil. George Bush Jr. is supposedly a "nice" fellow. He paints portraits of wounded vets. It's difficult to look at this video of him and know he is responsible for the death of millions of people in the Middle East. To be fair, perhaps much of what happened can be credited to his advisors and others who ran his administration.

Think of it. Millions of people died as a result of his decisions. And he stands up to a camera and sounds like a "nice guy".

Yeah "nice" guy. Saw how he reacted when 9/11 happened, Bush was sitting in some kindergarten, reading something to kindergarteners. Instead of storming out of the room, he just kept stalling and stalling, he was a "nice" accomplice.

[Gary Childress]

Tough one isn't it. Inside, Hitler was actually a good person, but what he did was rather evil. He was convinced he was doing the right thing for his people, and he had an unnaturally strong inner conviction, confidence that made him SO sure that he was on the right track. This kind of abnormal conviction is only found in a few people and it's usually not healthy imo. Maybe Cromwell had a similar personality, and in the present day it could be Tusk from Poland.

As a person, Stalin was easily the more evil one. And eugenics was seriously considered internationally.

If Hitler had stopped at annexing the territories with German populations, and not start preemptive wars, maybe the world war could have been avoided, but he was unable to take that risk and the rest is history.

Hitler also knew little about what was going on in the concentration camps. As a person he couldn't bear to hear about it, so he left it to his men unfortunately.

The banality of evil. George Bush Jr. is supposedly a "nice" fellow. He paints portraits of wounded vets. It's difficult to look at this video of him and know he is responsible for the death of millions of people in the Middle East. To be fair, perhaps much of what happened can be credited to his advisors and others who ran his administration.

Think of it. Millions of people died as a result of his decisions. And he stands up to a camera and sounds like a "nice guy".

Yeah "nice" guy. Saw how he reacted when 9/11 happened, Bush was sitting in some kindergarten, reading something to kindergarteners. Instead of storming out of the room, he just kept stalling and stalling, he was a "nice" accomplice.

I suppose he didn't want to alarm the children. What a guy. I'm sure he'll go to heaven some day, unlike me and the rest of the riff raff. I bet Bush is no "faggot", "weakling" or "wanker" (to borrow from AJ's lexicon).

[Atla]

The banality of evil. George Bush Jr. is supposedly a "nice" fellow. He paints portraits of wounded vets. It's difficult to look at this video of him and know he is responsible for the death of millions of people in the Middle East. To be fair, perhaps much of what happened can be credited to his advisors and others who ran his administration.

Think of it. Millions of people died as a result of his decisions. And he stands up to a camera and sounds like a "nice guy".

Yeah "nice" guy. Saw how he reacted when 9/11 happened, Bush was sitting in some kindergarten, reading something to kindergarteners. Instead of storming out of the room, he just kept stalling and stalling, he was a "nice" accomplice.

I suppose he didn't want to alarm the children. What a guy. I'm sure he'll go to heaven some day, unlike me and the rest of the riff raff. I bet Bush is no "faggot", "weakling" or "wanker" (to borrow from AJ's lexicon).

One of his men marching into the room, whispering into his ear something like this:
- Sir, a second plane hit the WTC, the country needs you, people are d-
- Go away, we're in the middle of Snow White right now.

Oh come on..

[Harbal]

Harbal,

Links are part-and-parcel of the communication process on forums. If someone posts a link you should at least see what it is.

When we post our views and opinions in the forum, we should be prepared to justify and defend them ourselves, not rely on someone's book to do it for us.

I want to know what you think.

I think that because *we* (our education system basically) does not base education on those classics, people have lost contact with the real and genuine roots of our civilization. That is exactly what I think.

But those weren't the thoughts I asked you for. I wanted to know what you thought about a specific question that I asked.

I have no power. I only tell you what I think is needed.

But you won't tell me what you think is needed. I asked how I would/should be dealt with in the society that you want, and have been arguing for, but you simply will not give me an answer.

[Wizard22]

They do need to be controlled. But as long as the lower 50-60% IQ of humanity gets to vote, they will always vote the wrong people into power who will use the control over them for their own selfish goals.

Because lying is unethical. It causes the victims of it to make poor decisions for themselves based on inaccurate information.

Isn't this the crux of this thread then...?

Dumb people need to be controlled, BUT, controlling the masses (using deception) is unethical.

Are the masses going to be swayed by Not Lies though? And what is The Truth???



This runs back into Propaganda, and the specific Propaganda pushed by Liberal-Leftism and LGBTQMAP+ Woke-ism.

Why should the masses be convinced this way about Sex, rather than the Conservative-Right manner or culture?

What is more important, about "controlling the masses", then manipulating them how to have Sex, whether to Reproduce at all?



Furthermore, wouldn't the Handlers and Controllers of humanity then, dictate which individuals or societies grow, and which shrivel and die?

(Isn't that what's already going on, right now???)

[Wizard22]

In this thread, there were more than a few stating "I don't want, and probably shouldn't have kids anyway".

So doesn't such a mentality run hand-in-hand with Liberal-Leftism or Marxist-Wokeism?

Does your desire come first, or the propaganda convinced you first???



Aren't men who don't want to have children, simply, demoralized???

It's like your vigor and zest for life, love of life, pride in yourself, has been stripped from you?

[Alexis Jacobi]

But you won't tell me what you think is needed. I asked how I would/should be dealt with in the society that you want, and have been arguing for, but you simply will not give me an answer.

You’re going off the rails because you paranoiacally imagine some grave action to be taken against you. The question is silly.

[Atla]

They do need to be controlled. But as long as the lower 50-60% IQ of humanity gets to vote, they will always vote the wrong people into power who will use the control over them for their own selfish goals.

Because lying is unethical. It causes the victims of it to make poor decisions for themselves based on inaccurate information.

Isn't this the crux of this thread then...?

Dumb people need to be controlled, BUT, controlling the masses (using deception) is unethical.

Are the masses going to be swayed by Not Lies though? And what is The Truth???



This runs back into Propaganda, and the specific Propaganda pushed by Liberal-Leftism and LGBTQMAP+ Woke-ism.

Why should the masses be convinced this way about Sex, rather than the Conservative-Right manner or culture?

What is more important, about "controlling the masses", then manipulating them how to have Sex, whether to Reproduce at all?



Furthermore, wouldn't the Handlers and Controllers of humanity then, dictate which individuals or societies grow, and which shrivel and die?

(Isn't that what's already going on, right now???)

Lying is unethical but necessary. But we need benevolent governments first to be trusted with such lying, and we don't have those either.

If things remain as they are, then I have no answer to the problems, and I think there is no answer at all. Dumb people will continue to vote bad people into power, worldwide, who will continue to use the kinds of lies for mass manipulation that benefit them, not the masses.

Democracy is the system where two idiots outvote a sensible person. Eventually we'll do a nuclear holocaust and that's it.

If I'm hard-pressed for a solution, then:
- we either need a BIG miracle, maybe an alien species saving us from ourselves - I wouldn't count on this one
- voting should be restricted to people who pass certain tests, like restricting it to 40% of adults. This will make the other 60% secondary citizens, who will maybe rebel, maybe not.
- invent technologies that increase the average IQ, and/or give people acquired savantism