Sex and the Religious-Left

[Atla]

The not-so PC grim reality is that the "right" is full of low-IQ instinct creatures, often closer than animal than man, and that is why they need to be kept oppressed at all times. This is of course not something they realize or are able to admit.

They can't be trusted with power. Their clueless group fanaticism will usually spiral out of control, leading to wars, destruction.

[Wizard22]

That's not true. The Baby Boomer generation exponentially advanced 'Globalist' and corporate ideologies across the world, because they had the opportunity to engorge themselves on the third world's riches after their parents fought and won WWII. The Baby Boomers became the richest single generation in world history, and still are, until they start dying out in the next couple decades. Western Civilization is shifting to 'inheritance' based society (European Socialism) as a result. American young people and generations, Gen X, Y, Z, A, all have become economically stagnant.

Because the Baby Boomers (represented by Biden and Trump especially) still 'own' Western Civilization's global-economy.

I don't see how any of that contradicts what I wrote. Boomers were not the East India Company or the British Empire. Their not the first people to set up corporations in Latin America or elsewhere. They are not the first people who hired immigrants illegally coming from Mexico. They aren't the ones who invited in tons of Chinese workers to build railways. Rome was Globalist dozens of generations before the Boomers were a gleam in pre-Boomer eyes. Rome was not an ethic group or a national state, it swallowed and integrated people, ideas, cultures into a larger conglomerate based on certain ideas.

The US while European was founded on principles that went beyond ethnic identity, and in fact some of the ideas came out of Native forms of government, and they broke, clearly, consciously and expressly from European traditions forming a nation state, yes, that absorbed people from other nation states who had been enemies and distinct.

For good and for ill globalism started long before the boomers. And in recent history it is corporations that have with great fervor fought to break down national boundaries through things like NAFTA. They have also broken governmental resistance to practices, to the point of undermined democratic national control of their own laws, the globalize economic practices for their own benefit.

The do not respect nation states, even the ones the birthed them and will happily replace their native country workers with workers from somewhere cheaper. They have been globalists going back into the 1800s in this way, but were doing this longer back in time.

It's a contradiction because, although Globalism and Corporatism has existed since Empires first started forming... none of them matched the historical precedent set by the Baby Boomer generation, upon the postwar victory, and their expansion of media and spread of "Western Culture and Values", which is what this conversation or debate is about: the advancement of Religious-Left's expressions of Sexuality, not only within the confines of the United States, but throughout the entire world. And this new type of Globalism is more virulent than it ever was in the past. Smart phones put it "in everybody's faces", no matter where they are in the world.

It is designed to pull the third world in...along with all Conservative, formerly Traditionalist societies.

This is why you earlier point, that "it's about sex", is so important. It's used as the Control-vector.

I don't know if he is a pedophile or not. But he said things about women and even his own family that a conservative person around sex would not. And with regularity. And he's kept company with some depraved people, which has been enough evidence for many on the right to damn liberals.

It's quite simple in my mind...

The Religious-Right, Conservatives in general, are desperate for a Leader, after the debacle of the Bush Dynasties. Western Evangelicals were disgraced, and subsequently retreated from the world stage after Bush's Presidency ended, thereby handing the American "Culture War" over to the Far-Left Liberal types. Therefore, it's not about Trump individually, per se...although he does have an expansive, beautiful family. Compare this to Liberal-Leftist Presidents, who have, what, one child? Or two? And let's take a look at Hunter Biden...is he a moral paragon?

Conservatives see the end results as proof: large, expansive, biological families.

The Religious-Left do not want such...unless they're racially mixed. Then the Religious-Left would give it a 'pass', especially if it were a black-male, white-female pairing. They're not so much fans of white-male, black-female pairing though. I wonder why...?

[Wizard22]

You're doing that thing again where you've made a realtively simple error and could easily just say oops and walk it back. But either through narcissism or some other extreme vanity issue, you just cannot ever do that.

It's a disability you have really.

Is this you admitting that you've never socialized with Jews before, and have no clue what they're actually like?

[Wizard22]

The not-so PC grim reality is that the "right" is full of low-IQ instinct creatures, often closer than animal than man, and that is why they need to be kept oppressed at all times. This is of course not something they realize or are able to admit.

They can't be trusted with power. Their clueless group fanaticism will usually spiral out of control, leading to wars, destruction.

I don't know Atla, I feel like the Right would make the exact same accusation against the Left...?

[Atla]

The not-so PC grim reality is that the "right" is full of low-IQ instinct creatures, often closer than animal than man, and that is why they need to be kept oppressed at all times. This is of course not something they realize or are able to admit.

They can't be trusted with power. Their clueless group fanaticism will usually spiral out of control, leading to wars, destruction.

I don't know Atla, I feel like the Right would make the exact same accusation against the Left...?

Because the right is projecting and doesn't know any better. Imo the best position would be center-right, but 20 IQ higher. Until we invent some technology that will increase the average IQ, the right will have to be controlled, oppressed, there is no other way.

[Wizard22]

Because the right is projecting and doesn't know any better. Imo the best position would be center-right, but 20 IQ higher. Until we invent some technology that will increase the average IQ, the right will have to be controlled, oppressed, there is no other way.

I wouldn't deny that there is a very large contingent of 'religious' among the right, similar to the left, where both "mindlessly" follow-the-leader. That's kind of the premise of the thread here—among the Religious-Left there is a trend to present social and public displays of sexuality, as-if Hedonism were a moral virtue, as opposed to a moral shame (vis-a-vie from the Religious-Right). Thus the two are at odds, and battle on these Cultural issues. I bring Iwan's point to the center, because it demonstrates how both Left and Right are willing to "use Sex" to get what they want, but from different ends, with different ideas in mind.

Left and Right want fundamentally different outcomes, and will use Sex/Sexuality to get it.

[FlashDangerpants]

You're doing that thing again where you've made a realtively simple error and could easily just say oops and walk it back. But either through narcissism or some other extreme vanity issue, you just cannot ever do that.

It's a disability you have really.

Is this you admitting that you've never socialized with Jews before, and have no clue what they're actually like?

No of course not. I'm just noting this pattern that afflicts you. You got Locke and Berkeley confused, you got validity and soundness the wrong way round, you assumed VT had done some sort of homework to identify a satirist... all realitvely small errors that you could easily undo, and yet in each case you doubled down... to gain nothing but disrespect.

It's something you should raise with a therapist, it might be something that the right medical professional could help you with.

[Wizard22]

No of course not. I'm just noting this pattern that afflicts you. You got Locke and Berkeley confused, you got validity and soundness the wrong way round, you assumed VT had done some sort of homework to identify a satirist... all realitvely small errors that you could easily undo, and yet in each case you doubled down... to gain nothing but disrespect.

It's something you should raise with a therapist, it might be something that the right medical professional could help you with.

You posted a stupid example, own it. Like how you didn't understand Berkeley's insights into Perception and Subjectivity. It's okay, Dpants, simply ask for forgiveness, and it will be so.

Humility is a Virtue. Now, if you'll excuse me, I have a thread to lead here...

[FlashDangerpants]

Ok, you have important nazying to do. We can drop the matter so you can get on with that.

[Iwannaplato]

That's not the from the Religious-Right. You're confused. And before you respond "but muh Vatican!?!" that is simply Anti-Catholic slander and counter-propaganda. The Religious-Right are not pro-pedophilia.

The Catholic Church has had systematic sexual abuse of children as a biproduct of their restrictions on sex especially for its priests. This was covered up and they systematically allowed priests who had engaged in pedophiliac acts to come into contact, as priests, with more children. The put political pressure on media and politicians and it took a great deal of bravery by victims and journalists to manage to show that this was a systematic problem.

The Religious Right has created a problem for children in relation to in-family pedophilia and pedophilia in general, but 1) looking at situations where victims speak out as situations that are no one's business but the family. 2) they have tended to be more skeptical of the commonness of this practices ,and shut down victims and other witnesses when they dares to question the actions of religious leaders (and not just priests), parents and other authority figures. The one should not questions authority figues guideline which is much stronger in the Religious Right delayed people understanding how widespread this kind of abuse is and all sorts of religious organizations, and not just in the Abrahamic religions, have shut down allegations and sided with pedophiles and abusers in positions of authority in the organization or in families. There is a taboo there.

The taboo has been present also in liberal and left circles but vastly more extreme in the Religious right.

This taboo also extends to other kinds of abuse of children in family and in organization.

[Wizard22]

That's not the from the Religious-Right. You're confused. And before you respond "but muh Vatican!?!" that is simply Anti-Catholic slander and counter-propaganda. The Religious-Right are not pro-pedophilia.

The Catholic Church has had systematic sexual abuse of children as a biproduct of their restrictions on sex especially for its priests. This was covered up and they systematically allowed priests who had engaged in pedophiliac acts to come into contact, as priests, with more children. The put political pressure on media and politicians and it took a great deal of bravery by victims and journalists to manage to show that this was a systematic problem.

The Religious Right has created a problem for children in relation to in-family pedophilia and pedophilia in general, but 1) looking at situations where victims speak out as situations that are no one's business but the family. 2) they have tended to be more skeptical of the commonness of this practices ,and shut down victims and other witnesses when they dares to question the actions of religious leaders (and not just priests), parents and other authority figures. The one should not questions authority figues guideline which is much stronger in the Religious Right delayed people understanding how widespread this kind of abuse is and all sorts of religious organizations, and not just in the Abrahamic religions, have shut down allegations and sided with pedophiles and abusers in positions of authority in the organization or in families. There is a taboo there.

The taboo has been present also in liberal and left circles but vastly more extreme in the Religious right.

This taboo also extends to other kinds of abuse of children in family and in organization.

Let's assume, for the sake of argument only, that your analysis was remotely correct or accurate...

...okay, now compare that to the pedophilia of the Religious-Left, that is out in the open, Western Civilization is supposed to be 'Proud' about ("Pride Parades"), and that the Liberal-Left will defend with Antifa and threats of violence.



Yeah, I think anybody with common sense will begin siding with the Religious-Right, when push comes to shove (and it already has).

[Iwannaplato]

It's a contradiction because, although Globalism and Corporatism has existed since Empires first started forming... none of them matched the historical precedent set by the Baby Boomer generation, upon the postwar victory, and their expansion of media and spread of "Western Culture and Values", which is what this conversation or debate is about: the advancement of Religious-Left's expressions of Sexuality, not only within the confines of the United States, but throughout the entire world.

I think you need to look at what happened in the various empires and with companies like the East India companies, even without the media tools that modern people have.

And this new type of Globalism is more virulent than it ever was in the past.

Well, I disagree. Empires led to mass killing and rape and pedophiliac rape. Slavery and sexual trafficking that was not secret and behind the scenes but right out in the open. It included wiping cultures off the face of the earth.

This is why you earlier point, that "it's about sex", is so important. It's used as the Control-vector.

I do think sex is being used to control. And this was done by the Abrahamic religions in conjunction with some empires to control indigenous and other societies, even to the point of forbidding their languages, killing whole groups, removing children from their parents and systematic rape.

It's quite simple in my mind...

The Religious-Right, Conservatives in general, are desperate for a Leader, after the debacle of the Bush Dynasties. Western Evangelicals were disgraced, and subsequently retreated from the world stage after Bush's Presidency ended, thereby handing the American "Culture War" over to the Far-Left Liberal types. Therefore, it's not about Trump individually, per se...although he does have an expansive, beautiful family. Compare this to Liberal-Leftist Presidents, who have, what, one child? Or two? And let's take a look at Hunter Biden...is he a moral paragon?

I'm no fan of Biden.

Conservatives see the end results as proof: large, expansive, biological families.

Trump has five children from THREE WIVES. That's hardly traditional family values. He started his relationship with his second wife while still with his first wife. His current marriage is interracial. Not that I give shit about that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYqKx1GuZGg

as one of many examples of him not having traditional values, note the comment about his target being married.

[Iwannaplato]

That's not the from the Religious-Right. You're confused. And before you respond "but muh Vatican!?!" that is simply Anti-Catholic slander and counter-propaganda. The Religious-Right are not pro-pedophilia.

The Catholic Church has had systematic sexual abuse of children as a biproduct of their restrictions on sex especially for its priests. This was covered up and they systematically allowed priests who had engaged in pedophiliac acts to come into contact, as priests, with more children. The put political pressure on media and politicians and it took a great deal of bravery by victims and journalists to manage to show that this was a systematic problem.

The Religious Right has created a problem for children in relation to in-family pedophilia and pedophilia in general, but 1) looking at situations where victims speak out as situations that are no one's business but the family. 2) they have tended to be more skeptical of the commonness of this practices ,and shut down victims and other witnesses when they dares to question the actions of religious leaders (and not just priests), parents and other authority figures. The one should not questions authority figues guideline which is much stronger in the Religious Right delayed people understanding how widespread this kind of abuse is and all sorts of religious organizations, and not just in the Abrahamic religions, have shut down allegations and sided with pedophiles and abusers in positions of authority in the organization or in families. There is a taboo there.

The taboo has been present also in liberal and left circles but vastly more extreme in the Religious right.

This taboo also extends to other kinds of abuse of children in family and in organization.

Let's assume, for the sake of argument only, that your analysis was remotely correct or accurate...

...okay, now compare that to the pedophilia of the Religious-Left, that is out in the open, Western Civilization is supposed to be 'Proud' about ("Pride Parades"), and that the Liberal-Left will defend with Antifa and threats of violence.



Yeah, I think anybody with common sense will begin siding with the Religious-Right, when push comes to shove (and it already has).

Who the hell needs to side with either one?
Shame guilt and I see no one owning up to their histories.

The biggest lie is that you have to choose between the only two teams that exist. And both teams are being used by people in power. When I was younger, around cultural values, it was the traditional values, now it the Left values getting dominance (at least around sexuality and sex.. And the people in power are happy every time someone implies or says you have to choose Team A or Team B and hate the other team.

That's perfect. Why do you think the media is so fervent about Drag Queens reading books to children at libraries? You think the media giants think that's a priority?

They know exactly what that event will do when the supposedly only two teams starting running with it.

Nobody is talking about Blackrock for instance.

[Wizard22]

Who the hell needs to side with either one?

You do, when you need to call a grown-man, transvestite a "Lady" or you will be punished by the Religious-Left, either at your job (fired), in your city, or on social media (cancelled)...

[Wizard22]

And you do...when you refuse to "allow" your child to "transition". There are cases of children being taken away in the US, already.

The Religious-Left wants to claim your children, on behalf of their cult:

https://www.cnbctv18.com/world/californ ... 758741.htm

In California, parents may lose custody of the child if they resist gender transition

Democratic lawmakers, who championed the bill, contend that it is a necessary step to ensure the well-being of transgender and gender-diverse children.

The California State Assembly has approved a bill, AB 957, making gender affirmation a factor to be considered in child custody cases. The bill, passed on Friday by a vote of 57-16, was previously approved by the California Senate with a vote of 30-9.

This new legislation, titled the Transgender, Gender-Diverse, and Intersex Youth Empowerment Act, seeks to prioritise the “health, safety and welfare” of children, placing a spotlight on affirming a child's gender identity. The bill, initially introduced by Democratic Assemblywoman Lori D. Wilson on February 24, underwent amendments in the Assembly on March 13 and further modifications in the Senate on June 5 before its final approval.

Under the proposed law, parents, who fail to acknowledge and support their child's gender transition, could face potential consequences, including the loss of custody rights to another parent or even the state itself. The bill's supporters argue that it is in the best interest of children, aiming to create a more inclusive and affirming environment for gender-diverse youth.