I'm straight and tired of gay pride

[Alexis Jacobi]

As I constantly try to make plain it is less about anyone agreeing, or not agreeing (taking seriously) and more about the underlying ideas — if those ideas can be extracted and seen clearly.

You have many opinions Harbal, but you lack an understanding of the platform of (received) ideas that operate in you.

You, too, are one among many millions who have a similar position.

[Harbal]

As I constantly try to make plain it is less about anyone agreeing, or not agreeing (taking seriously) and more about the underlying ideas — if those ideas can be extracted and seen clearly.

Yes, of course, I realise you are conducting very important research here.

You have many opinions Harbal, but you lack an understanding of the platform of (received) ideas that operate in you.

How true, although I doubt that anyone would understand some of the ideas that operate in me.

You, too, are one among many millions who have a similar position.

Wow! I would have gladly settled for one in a million.

[Sculptor]

This is not even grammatical. Tolkein was a professor of English and one of the 20thC greatest writers. Whoever constructed this meme is of doubtful intelligence and limited education, and posted by the same.

Just for curiosity's sake I checked on-line. It is generally agreed that he did not write that sentence but that, when the idea in the sentence is considered and compared to his idea and views, that it is a sound paraphrase:

"The Shadow that bred them can only mock, it cannot make: not real new things of its own. I don't think it gave life to Orcs, it only ruined them and twisted them ..."

— Frodo, The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King

I think you might want to revise your use of the word "SOUND".

[Iwannaplato]

You caught Flash's homosexual tendencies too? Yeah, I picked up on a whole slew of sexual derangement and psychopathy in that one, soon as he crossed my path on this forum. He's as easy to read as his schizophrenic Avatar and Username.

In this sense, if this statement is accurate, and I tend to agree with the assessment, the task becomes one of careful analysis to arrive at sound and accurate statement about how this person, this type of person, this particular individual with the ideas, views, feelings and ehtical sense that he does have, how did this person come to be?

So, we've got a couple of men, sharing their ability to pick up the subtle cues that other men are homosexuals. You both would probably have done OK in the closeted 50s.

[Harbal]

You caught Flash's homosexual tendencies too? Yeah, I picked up on a whole slew of sexual derangement and psychopathy in that one, soon as he crossed my path on this forum. He's as easy to read as his schizophrenic Avatar and Username.

In this sense, if this statement is accurate, and I tend to agree with the assessment, the task becomes one of careful analysis to arrive at sound and accurate statement about how this person, this type of person, this particular individual with the ideas, views, feelings and ehtical sense that he does have, how did this person come to be?

So, we've got a couple of men, sharing their ability to pick up the subtle cues that other men are homosexuals. You both would probably have done OK in the closeted 50s.

Knowing which public toilets to frequent, and such.

[Alexis Jacobi]

I think you might want to revise your use of the word "SOUND".

You obviously believe in the category of *evil*. (Or did you use the term casually?)

If that is so, would you agree that "Evil cannot create anything new, but can only corrupt and ruin what the force of good has created"?

I would say that in respect to Tolkein's views that the statement in quotes above corresponds to his ideas. In that sense it is *sound*.

[Iwannaplato]

In this sense, if this statement is accurate, and I tend to agree with the assessment, the task becomes one of careful analysis to arrive at sound and accurate statement about how this person, this type of person, this particular individual with the ideas, views, feelings and ehtical sense that he does have, how did this person come to be?

So, we've got a couple of men, sharing their ability to pick up the subtle cues that other men are homosexuals. You both would probably have done OK in the closeted 50s.

Knowing which public toilets to frequent, and such.

Exactly. And it was very helpful in a time where if one directly flirted, violence could have ensued. So, they would have known who to approach and who to avoid. It's sweet that they confirm for each other that they accurately use these skills, even though, thank goodness, those skills are not so critical for them to have anymore, given the period they live in. It's rare for people to use subtext like this nowadays.

[Alexis Jacobi]

You caught Flash's homosexual tendencies too? Yeah, I picked up on a whole slew of sexual derangement and psychopathy in that one, soon as he crossed my path on this forum. He's as easy to read as his schizophrenic Avatar and Username.

In this sense, if this statement is accurate, and I tend to agree with the assessment, the task becomes one of careful analysis to arrive at sound and accurate statement about how this person, this type of person, this particular individual with the ideas, views, feelings and ehtical sense that he does have, how did this person come to be?

So, we've got a couple of men, sharing their ability to pick up the subtle cues that other men are homosexuals. You both would probably have done OK in the closeted 50s.

Well, to be fair, my *assessment* of Flash is directly related to the weird homo-erotic pornographic piece he did write. He then wrote something similar on the thread adjacent to this one.

I think you misunderstand my position. I am frankly not so concerned about homosexuals or homosexuality. My issue has to do with another set of values that is being (in my view) undermined (the primacy of the generative family), and homosexual activism has had something to do with it. But I would refer to Queer Theory as that form of activism. Much of this has to do with the transvaluation of values.

I do not think *the closeted 50s* is attainable, and is not desirable anyway. I have clearly expressed that if I had my way I would encourage a civilization that put exaggerated value on families -- large families -- and in relation to that a reinvigoration of sets of values pertinent to that social structure.

Is that happening now? No. My position is ideal.

Wizard has his reasons for being here and sharing his ideas. I have mine. You should not blends them but the same is true for anyone writing on this forum where you note some points of agreement.

[Alexis Jacobi]

Exactly. And it was very helpful in a time where if one directly flirted, violence could have ensued. So, they would have known who to approach and who to avoid. It's sweet that they confirm for each other that they accurately use these skills, even though, thank goodness, those skills are not so critical for them to have anymore, given the period they live in. It's rare for people to use subtext like this nowadays.

Let me get this straight. You are attempting to work the rather tried-and-true angle that those who have issues with flagrant homosexuality, or with the broadcasting of homosexuality (in media, movies, literature, advertising) that this indicates a latent, suppressed homosexuality?

And you think that is really and truly a valid argument in this context? Really?

[Iwannaplato]

Well, to be fair, my *assessment* of Flash is directly related to the weird homo-erotic pornographic piece he did write. He then wrote something similar on the thread adjacent to this one.

I think you misunderstand my position. I am frankly not so concerned about homosexuals or homosexuality. My issue has to do with another set of values that is being (in my view) undermined (the primacy of the generative family), and homosexual activism has had something to do with it. But I would refer to Queer Theory as that form of activism. Much of this has to do with the transvaluation of values.

I do not think *the closeted 50s* is attainable, and is not desirable anyway. I have clearly expressed that if I had my way I would encourage a civilization that put exaggerated value on families -- large families -- and in relation to that a reinvigoration of sets of values pertinent to that social structure.

Is that happening now? No. My position is ideal.

Wizard has his reasons for being here and sharing his ideas. I have mine. You should not blends them but the same is true for anyone writing on this forum where you note some points of agreement.

I certainly wasn't assuming you guys were together.

[Iwannaplato]

Exactly. And it was very helpful in a time where if one directly flirted, violence could have ensued. So, they would have known who to approach and who to avoid. It's sweet that they confirm for each other that they accurately use these skills, even though, thank goodness, those skills are not so critical for them to have anymore, given the period they live in. It's rare for people to use subtext like this nowadays.

Let me get this straight. You are attempting to work the rather tried-and-true angle that those who have issues with flagrant homosexuality, or with the broadcasting of homosexuality (in media, movies, literature, advertising) that this indicates a latent, suppressed homosexuality?

And you think that is really and truly a valid argument in this context? Really?

I'm not sure you understand the meaning of tried-and-true. And I didn't quote a post where you were complaining about flagrant homosexuality. I certainly understand that some people prefer a more subtle version and have no expectations about anyone's style.

[Alexis Jacobi]

Exactly. And it was very helpful in a time where if one directly flirted, violence could have ensued. So, they would have known who to approach and who to avoid. It's sweet that they confirm for each other that they accurately use these skills, even though, thank goodness, those skills are not so critical for them to have anymore, given the period they live in. It's rare for people to use subtext like this nowadays.

Let me get this straight. You are attempting to work the rather tried-and-true angle that those who have issues with flagrant homosexuality, or with the broadcasting of homosexuality (in media, movies, literature, advertising) that this indicates a latent, suppressed homosexuality?

And you think that is really and truly a valid argument in this context? Really?

I'm not sure you understand the meaning of tried-and-true. And I didn't quote a post where you were complaining about flagrant homosexuality. I certainly understand that some people prefer a more subtle version and have no expectations about anyone's style.

I am not understanding very well what you mean.

Let me ask you this: What do you think of the ethical base or the moral base of my position: that homosexual unions, homosexual life-styles, homosexual sexual practices, and homosexual public displays are best suppressed (curtailed, limited, let's say *frowned upon*) in a culture that holds to, values, elevates, places on a higher rank of hierarchy, the specific male-female union in the context of a culture that desires large families and the value-sets that attends this?

I am curious if you can relate to any part of that or just what you think?

Tried and true: tested and found to be reliable or workable.

[FlashDangerpants]

In this sense, if this statement is accurate, and I tend to agree with the assessment, the task becomes one of careful analysis to arrive at sound and accurate statement about how this person, this type of person, this particular individual with the ideas, views, feelings and ehtical sense that he does have, how did this person come to be?

So, we've got a couple of men, sharing their ability to pick up the subtle cues that other men are homosexuals. You both would probably have done OK in the closeted 50s.

Well, to be fair, my *assessment* of Flash is directly related to the weird homo-erotic pornographic piece he did write. He then wrote something similar on the thread adjacent to this one.

That raises two rather concerning issues. Firstly, that piece was an elegant satire comparing those who refuse to admitthey are gay despite their little adventures in buggary with those such as you and GrandWizard who get up to all sorts of nazi stuff but pretend nobody is allowed to call you nazis. Perhaps the subtext was too subtle for you.

Secondly, my description was of the visual aspects of that naughty little scene, the extra stuff about the smell of poopy mixed with semen was all your own addition. So... yeah....

[Alexis Jacobi]

OK so you are not a homosexual?

Then your *satire* had another function and purpose which you now clarify and define?

Firstly, that piece was an elegant satire comparing those who refuse to admit they are gay despite their little adventures in buggary with those such as you and GrandWizard who get up to all sorts of nazi stuff but pretend nobody is allowed to call you nazis. Perhaps the subtext was too subtle for you.

This is a rhetorical multi-layered message which, in my view, is simply childish.

Obviously, the insinuation you are attempting is just what I stated to Iwannaplato:

You are attempting to work the rather tried-and-true angle that those who have issues with flagrant homosexuality, or with the broadcasting of homosexuality (in media, movies, literature, advertising) that this indicates a latent, suppressed homosexuality?

It is all silliness and will not advance the conversation, but merely detour it.

I definitely refer to the disfavorable — metaphysically unsound — notion that the anus should be considered a sex-organ.

Semen and feces should be seen as improper to combine. Make of that what you wish to. That’s my conclusion. Doesn’t have to be yours.

[Harbal]

Let me ask you this: What do you think of the ethical base or the moral base of my position: that homosexual unions, homosexual life-styles, homosexual sexual practices, and homosexual public displays are best suppressed (curtailed, limited, let's say *frowned upon*) in a culture that holds to, values, elevates, places on a higher rank of hierarchy, the specific male-female union in the context of a culture that desires large families and the value-sets that attends this?

In what way does homosexuality, whether on public display or suppressed, affect the male-female relationship?

Just out of interest; how many children do you have?