The Mind.

[Atla]

That's a coincidence. I have no idea what you are talking about, either. I assumed it was that none dualism nonsense.

Nondualism isn't nonsense, it's fact. Because the mind-body dualism and other similar dualisms have about as much evidence going for them as the invisible pink godfairy unicorn that dreamt up our world. You believe in something like that - your call.

Except a nondualist has maybe slightly more ability to function in the world than a dualist, not zero ability.

If you say so.

You can help Age by proving the mind-body dualism.

[Harbal]

Nondualism isn't nonsense, it's fact. Because the mind-body dualism and other similar dualisms have about as much evidence going for them as the invisible pink godfairy unicorn that dreamt up our world. You believe in something like that - your call.

Except a nondualist has maybe slightly more ability to function in the world than a dualist, not zero ability.

If you say so.

You can help Age by proving the mind-body dualism.

How am I supposed to prove the unknowable? I don't know the true nature of "reality", and I don't believe anyone else does, so it seems rather ridiculous to take a position on "mind-body dualism", or none dualism, or whatever.

[Atla]

If you say so.

You can help Age by proving the mind-body dualism.

How am I supposed to prove the unknowable? I don't know the true nature of "reality", and I don't believe anyone else does, so it seems rather ridiculous to take a position on "mind-body dualism", or none dualism, or whatever.

Then it's ridiculous to take any philosophical position on anything.

[Harbal]

You can help Age by proving the mind-body dualism.

How am I supposed to prove the unknowable? I don't know the true nature of "reality", and I don't believe anyone else does, so it seems rather ridiculous to take a position on "mind-body dualism", or none dualism, or whatever.

Then it's ridiculous to take any philosophical position on anything.

No, but it's foolish to make any sort of claim of absolute truth in a discussion about brains, minds and consciousness.

[Atla]

Absolute truth is never on the table, duh.

But if we can agree that taking positions is ok, and agree that not collecting stamps is not a hobby and atheism is not a religion, then nondualism is fact until proven otherwise. That's a massive blow to Western philosophy, but it's true. You guys wanted to play philosophy, there you go.

[Harbal]

Absolute truth is never on the table, duh.

But if we can agree that taking positions is ok, and agree that not collecting stamps is not a hobby and atheism is not a religion, then nondualism is fact until proven otherwise. That's a massive blow to Western philosophy, but it's true. You guys wanted to play philosophy, there you go.

Okay.

[Iwannaplato]

I figured out such things like 5 years ago. You're talking to a God-psychosis, not a human, get it?

Sure, I was just enjoying myself. I like the audacity of the way he blames others for his own shortcomings. It's fun to sort of sit inside it, pretend it makes sense.

[Wizard22]

"The Mind", to Christian Universalists, of which Age is certainly an ideological member, is "God's Mind".

To these fundamentalist, extremist religious types, their beliefs are similar to Spinoza's Monadology, that "All Things" are of "One Substance", The God Mind. Thus their ideals eventually trend toward Solipsism, where they must completely deny the human phenomena of 'Separate' minds or "many" minds, as such would also entail a type of "separate immaterial substance". It would mean that Spirit and Soul are, ultimately, made of "different substances", which they also reject. Because Separation would imply, Separation from The God Mind.

That's where "Age" is getting its ideas and rationale from.

Word-for-Word.

AgeGPT denies that Human Individuality, Separate Experience, Separate Identity, can even be a physical possibility. Instead, we are all under a spell, a mass 'delusion' that we are "Separated from God", "Separated from the One Mind" which we have all "forgotten".

I've dealt with his type a long time ago, back when I was an atheistic teenager vigorously arguing against Christian-Protestant fundamentalists and Evangelicals. Exact same reasoning and rationale...

It kind of gets boring.

[Atla]

I figured out such things like 5 years ago. You're talking to a God-psychosis, not a human, get it?

Sure, I was just enjoying myself. I like the audacity of the way he blames others for his own shortcomings. It's fun to sort of sit inside it, pretend it makes sense.

Sometimes I wish hipocrisy would hurt. Age would change in no time.

[Age]

I have a limited knowledge of how brains work, and an even more sparse one about how consciousness works, or what it actually even is, so there is bound to be a good deal of vagueness about what I am trying to explain, but my conception of what the mind is, is that it is what emerges when the brain and consciousness interact.

Yes, I think I totally understood this already.

And, what this means is, and correct me if I am wrong or incorrect in anyway here, but what this means to you is the 'brain', (which you do not yet fully understand nor have full knowledge of how it works), and 'consciousness', (which you have less understanding and knowledge about) interact together, (that is if they even do, and if they do in whatever unknown way that they do), then what emerges from this, to you, is what the 'mind' word or term is meaning or referring to, correct?

Absolutely correct, yes.

I suppose you could say that is my definition of the word, "mind", when I use it.

If yes, then what is 'it', exactly, which, supposedly, 'emerges'?

I don't know what to call it other than an awareness of a unique collection of knowledge, information, memory and experience. All the things that make me me, or at least create a sense of me-ness.

Is 'it' at least physical, can 'it' be seen, heard, felt, smelt, or tasted?

My intuitive answer would be to say that the mind is nonphysical, but I would also say that it is brain dependant, so I'm afraid you'll have to work out the answer to your question yourself, as I don't know the answer.

Oh, I already know the answer/s here.

I am just trying to get you to give us a full explanation of, or your answers to, how there are many minds, to you.

Is there anything else that you can explain to me about 'that' is, which you say emerges, at 'the interaction'?

I can't think of anything at the moment.

I imagine this interaction to take place in individual instances, and that is why I think of minds as being separate from each other, and there being many of them, as opposed to just one "Mind".

So, there, essentially, could be a new mind being created, or coming into being or existence, within a human body every individual second of every hour of every day, right?

I don't know what you mean.

Well you said, and again correct me if I have you wrong in any way here, that when 'consciousness' and the 'human brain' interact, then at this or those moments, then what emerges, which I 'now' think you mean is the 'me-ness', is also what the 'mind' word means or is referring to, well to you anyway.

And, if this is correct so far, then either 'the interaction' between 'consciousness' and the 'human brain' happened once, or happens at different times.

Now, if it is the latter, then, essentially, 'the interaction' could happen and occur multiple times a day, even every second of the day, and thus emerging many different 'minds' within the one human body or many different 'me-nesses'. Which could make sense in one particular way or from one particular perspective because it is said and alleged that the 'me-ness' that is those human bodies is not the exact same 'me-ness' that was before, at different times in the past.

Do you think I am incorrect in assuming that the mind is just a coalition between the brain and consciousness?

Yes.

You could well be right.

The Mind, Itself, is very necessary and plays a huge part in all things here. But, from what I am observing among you adult human beings there is more opposition, disunion, and disillusion than coalition between the human brain and 'Consciousness', Itself. However, this is only because the 'human brain' a lot of the time has been tricked, deceived, and fooled by the internal 'belief-system' and so a choice, and a very Wrong choice I will add, is made for these two to work along side together, which may well towards a 'common goal', but it is only a 'common goal' to those to or to only a very select few others.

All of this, however, becomes much, much clearer as we move along and proceed, oh and while one is not looking at and seeing things from that one brain and belief-system perspective only.

[Atla]

"The Mind", to Christian Universalists, of which Age is certainly an ideological member, is "God's Mind".

To these fundamentalist, extremist religious types, their beliefs are similar to Spinoza's Monadology, that "All Things" are of "One Substance", The God Mind. Thus their ideals eventually trend toward Solipsism, where they must completely deny the human phenomena of 'Separate' minds or "many" minds, as such would also entail a type of "separate immaterial substance". It would mean that Spirit and Soul are, ultimately, made of "different substances", which they also reject. Because Separation would imply, Separation from The God Mind.

That's where "Age" is getting its ideas and rationale from.

Word-for-Word.

AgeGPT denies that Human Individuality, Separate Experience, Separate Identity, can even be a physical possibility. Instead, we are all under a spell, a mass 'delusion' that we are "Separated from God", "Separated from the One Mind" which we have all "forgotten".

I've dealt with his type a long time ago, back when I was an atheistic teenager vigorously arguing against Christian-Protestant fundamentalists and Evangelicals. Exact same reasoning and rationale...

It kind of gets boring.

Yes Age seems to have a Christian background but I was unfamiliar with Universalism. You could be onto something here. Certinly the universal salvation part matches.

It doesn't help either that there are other religions out there like Hinduism that sometimes openly state that we are all 'God' in disguise. Although maybe Hinduism also adds that we sort of do have our individual minds.

Dunno let's ask God

Are there Christian ideologies that hold that we humans don't have individual minds, instead all that is God's mind?

While there is a wide diversity of Christian beliefs and interpretations, the idea that individual human minds don't exist independently, but are instead part of or entirely enveloped by God's mind, is not a mainstream or widely accepted Christian doctrine. Traditional Christian theology generally maintains a distinction between the divine and human aspects of existence.

In Christian theology, humans are often seen as created in the image of God, possessing individual souls and free will. The concept of the individual mind and consciousness is generally acknowledged. Some Christian denominations emphasize the importance of personal relationship with God, where individuals can have direct communion with the divine.

However, it's worth noting that interpretations of Christian theology can vary widely, and there may be individuals or smaller groups who hold unconventional views that deviate from mainstream Christian beliefs. If you encounter such perspectives, it's important to consider the specific theological context and the individual or group expressing these views.

Does Christian Universalism hold that we humans don't have individual minds, instead all that is God's mind?

Christian Universalism is a theological perspective that emphasizes the belief in the eventual salvation of all human beings, asserting that all people will ultimately be reconciled with God and granted eternal life. However, the specific views within Christian Universalism can vary, and not all proponents of this perspective hold the same beliefs regarding the nature of individual minds.

The idea that humans don't have individual minds but instead share in God's mind is not a universally held belief within Christian Universalism. In general, Christian Universalists maintain a diversity of views on various theological matters, including the nature of human consciousness, the relationship between individuals and God, and the afterlife.

It's important to note that Christian Universalism doesn't constitute a monolithic belief system with a set of universally accepted doctrines. Different Christian Universalists may hold varying views on topics such as the nature of God, the Trinity, the role of Jesus Christ, and the specifics of eschatology (the study of the end times). Therefore, while some Christian Universalists might entertain the idea you mentioned, it is not a defining or universally held aspect of the belief system.

[Iwannaplato]

I figured out such things like 5 years ago. You're talking to a God-psychosis, not a human, get it?

Sure, I was just enjoying myself. I like the audacity of the way he blames others for his own shortcomings. It's fun to sort of sit inside it, pretend it makes sense.

Sometimes I wish hipocrisy would hurt. Age would change in no time.

The consequences of that would go way beyond our dear Age. The world would shift on its axis, so to speak.

[Atla]

Sure, I was just enjoying myself. I like the audacity of the way he blames others for his own shortcomings. It's fun to sort of sit inside it, pretend it makes sense.

Sometimes I wish hipocrisy would hurt. Age would change in no time.

The consequences of that would go way beyond our dear Age. The world would shift on its axis, so to speak.

Imagine if malignance and stupidity would hurt..

[Sculptor]

Sometimes I wish hipocrisy would hurt. Age would change in no time.

The consequences of that would go way beyond our dear Age. The world would shift on its axis, so to speak.

Imagine if malignance and stupidity would hurt..

They do - other people.
Stupidity is not recognised by those with that quality, and malign activies are enjoyed by them, that is why they are malignant to others.

[Iwannaplato]

Sometimes I wish hipocrisy would hurt. Age would change in no time.

The consequences of that would go way beyond our dear Age. The world would shift on its axis, so to speak.

Imagine if malignance and stupidity would hurt..

I think it actually does, except for narcissists and psycho- sociopaths. But it doesn't hurt in the direct feedback way.
People enjoy the in the moment abusing of others.
Or feel entitled and proud of what they can't quite realize is abusive.

There are all sorts of side effects later, beyond the time when classical or operant conditioning might help them change the behavior/attitude.
They lead, I think, impoverished lives...but again, they can't connect this to the way they treat and think of others.
To actually learn from feedback and absence they would need to face the pain of self-awareness and what it finds.