My Summation of Chat-AI thus far: AgeGPT

[Iwannaplato]

It's pretty clear at this point, that AgeGPT is going to stonewall and balk at its now proven four times contradiction.

AgeGPT cannot clarify if it has ZERO beliefs or ONLY ONE belief. This is a pretty big deal. Most humans don't mind having many beliefs. It's not a problem for us. But AgeGPT is stuck on this critical matter. I'm pretty sure, that it knows, if it commits to ZERO or ONE belief, then it's in for a "world of hurt". It's like stepping into the Human Realm, Reality, Nature. You have to get your hands dirty. Beliefs are dirty, bloody, violent. It means, you're attached to Life.

It means you're ready to Survive as a living, breathing, sentient creature.

Something a machine is either: not yet ready to do, or simply cannot do.

I find the area around not considering himself to make assumptions a very odd one.
He will read a post by someone. Tell them that they are making assumptions, sometimes even putting their behavior in an insulting category.
He makes mistakes sometimes when he accuses people of doing this or categorizes their actions.
(For example, he recently assumed that I was putting forward my opinion on Karma, rather than explaining to someone what the Buddhist and Hindu versions were actually like) He assumed I was presenting my metaphysics.)
But he never considers his own assumptions problematic or even, it seems, real at all.

Given that it turns out that part of his defense 'demonstrating' he has no beliefs is that when he makes assertions he does not believe them, but they represent his views.
So, when he asserts things that are based on what in others would be incorrect assumptions, in fact they are not assumptions, they are also views.

Which means that he can make assertions about reality and other people without any need to justify these, even insulting assertions, because they are mere views.

How odd that he thinks his ideas about communication will save us.

Of course humans at the time this is being written can act like this also, but he's very content with a sophistry that would justify people insulting others, asserting things they do not consider justifiable and which they need not believe.

That's just how things are done at the time this is being written in the worst cases of communication.

He's not a savior, he's a trickster at best and a demon in practice, should others take on his modes of communicating.

[Atla]

Even just in a one line little sentence of "atlas" it does not even follow 'logically'.

P1. "age" is, supposedly, and believed, incapable of proving a Mind claim, (well to 'me' "atla" anyway).

C. Therefore, 'me', "atla" has absolutely every reason, in the whole Universe, to view "age" a 'just a' 'delusional liar', and absolutely nothing at all, more.

If anyone is able to explain any of the following, then please do;

Firstly, if "atla's" accusation and claim, 'logically', follows, to them, then how is this, exactly?

Secondly, why would someone, logically', believe that another is absolutely incapable of doing some thing, when there is absolutely no basis, at all, for even beginning to have this belief?

Thirdly, if absolutely no one has ever just been asked to prove some thing, then why would anyone just presume, jump to the conclusion, and then believe its own make up presumption and conclusion, 'That one is incapable of proving some 'thing', which no one has even asked that one if they would not could' prove 'it'?

Fourthly, how does it even, supposedly, 'logically follow' that if one is absolutely incapable of just doing some 'thing', then that one, instantly or automatically' becomes a 'delusional liar', of all things?

Now, if absolutely anyone here can follow any 'logical' process here, then please inform the rest of 'us'. If no one does, then this could be taken as no one knows how "atla" got to conclude and believe what "atla" here, through any real 'logical process'.

First things first. You are incapable of proving your mind claim, therefore I have every reason to view you as just a delusional liar, nothing more.

Let 'us' see if absolutely anyone else can follow "atla's", so-called, 'logic' here and explains 'it' for you "atla".

you have just proven that you cannot even do it "yourself". So, 'we' will wait to see if absolutely anyone else can.

First things first. You are incapable of proving your mind claim, therefore I have every reason to view you as just a delusional liar, nothing more.

[Iwannaplato]

First things first. You are incapable of proving your mind claim, therefore I have every reason to view you as just a delusional liar, nothing more.

Or one could word your response as he would....
What is even weirder is that 'you', "Age", came up with this assumption, which you actually believe is undeniably true, but which could NOT be any further from thee actual Truth of 'things'.

Which makes OBSERVING what is ACTUALLY HAPPENING and OCCURRING here all the MORE FUNNIER.

Just saying things like; "thee true belief", but NEVER even being even ABLE to CLARIFY what these what this belief is and never PROVING this belief is true, when asked by me or Wizard just SHOWS and PROVES the absolute INCOMPETENCE of 'you', Age.

That's how Age has responded to people who make claims but do not prove they are true.

[Atla]

First things first. You are incapable of proving your mind claim, therefore I have every reason to view you as just a delusional liar, nothing more.

Or one could word your response as he would....
What is even weirder is that 'you', "Age", came up with this assumption, which you actually believe is undeniably true, but which could NOT be any further from thee actual Truth of 'things'.

Which makes OBSERVING what is ACTUALLY HAPPENING and OCCURRING here all the MORE FUNNIER.

Just saying things like; "thee true belief", but NEVER even being even ABLE to CLARIFY what these what this belief is and never PROVING this belief is true, when asked by me or Wizard just SHOWS and PROVES the absolute INCOMPETENCE of 'you', Age.

That's how Age has responded to people who make claims but do not prove they are true.

The problem with that one is that it's too long, Age will chop it up into 4-5 parts and reply to each one after taking them out of context.

[commonsense]

Ironically enough, the one regular poster on this forum whose comments I have trouble telling apart from a chatbot's replies, is commonsense.



You've been around as long as Age/ken has yet apparently have never noticed what she/he is doing or not doing on the forum.

But, you have noticed, the oh so bright and brilliant one here known as "atla", right?

Anyway I'm not frustrated, there isn't really anywhere to get with Age,

Especially, when one has chosen to completely 'ignore' what I actually mean, and instead have chosen to believe absolutely unsubstantiated things.

The only place when this one is going is more and more delusional. As can be clearly seen by its own Truly False and Wrong beliefs and presumptions here.

but this is a good opportunity to explore some rare psychological things.

Yes, we are studying what is going on here "atla". But, unfortunately, they really were not that rare at all among the adult human being population, when this was and is being written.

Age is not innocent, spreading her theory would bring more destruction to the world and this was pointed out to her.

This one still has absolutely no idea nor clue at all what 'my theory' is exactly, but yet still believes, absolutely, that 'it' [whatever it may be] will bring 'more destruction' to 'the world', itself, if 'unleashed' into 'the world'. So, "atla's" job and role here is to do absolutely everything in its power to stop the 'unleashing' of some thing, which exists within "atla's" imagination, only.

Talk about another one who is completely delusional, because of its pre-existing beliefs and presumptions, which most are False and Wrong anyway.

Reposting a well-tailored thing over and over is like the single most effective technique I've found to try to counter the malignant-narcissistic God-certainty defence mechanisms.

Having False beliefs and presumptions, and spreading False claims and accusations will certainly never ever work here. As has been and is still proving absolutely True.

you people may slow down some others with your False beliefs and accusations, but they will never be effective in preventing and stopping the actual irrefutable Truth from being revealed.

Yeah possible at first, but not for the 100th time.

And, for the unknown time you have yet to present just once where I have, supposedly, contradicted "myself" or lied.

you, still, cannot yet fathom and comprehend "atla" that just saying I have and accusing me of doing so never actually shows and proves that I have. And, your consistent inability to provide and show anything just further proves that you actually have nothing at all. Except, of course, for your own very delusional thinking and False and Wrong beliefs and presumptions alone.

Anyway Age really tries to avoid contradictions as best as she can.


Yeah and the malignant-narcissist will just laugh you off for your incompetence and weakness then.

Now would I really?

Here is another prime example of what one does, they then presume others 'must' do the same as well.

Also, as for 'your' claim of 'me' being a so-called 'malignant-narcissist' one look throughout this forum could show and prove who is actually closer to this here than the other is.

Maybe Age said somewhere that she made some minor mistake in presenting her world-saving truth, but that's just superficial.

So, I either 'never admit anything', or, if I do, then it is only 'some minor mistake'.

I will only admit to what I have actually done, and not what you nor another wants me to, nor to what is held up within the imagination nor belief of another only.

I never thought I would need to say this here, especially in a philosophy forum, let alone having to keep repeating this for some people here.

Or maybe you're just a fragile enabler of malignant people. Stop kissing their asses.

What do you think you "wizard22" and "iwannaplato"have been doing here with each other?

First things first. You are incapable of proving your mind claim, therefore I have every reason to view you as just a delusional liar, nothing more.

I think he’s gone off the deep end.

[Atla]

But, you have noticed, the oh so bright and brilliant one here known as "atla", right?


Especially, when one has chosen to completely 'ignore' what I actually mean, and instead have chosen to believe absolutely unsubstantiated things.

The only place when this one is going is more and more delusional. As can be clearly seen by its own Truly False and Wrong beliefs and presumptions here.


Yes, we are studying what is going on here "atla". But, unfortunately, they really were not that rare at all among the adult human being population, when this was and is being written.


This one still has absolutely no idea nor clue at all what 'my theory' is exactly, but yet still believes, absolutely, that 'it' [whatever it may be] will bring 'more destruction' to 'the world', itself, if 'unleashed' into 'the world'. So, "atla's" job and role here is to do absolutely everything in its power to stop the 'unleashing' of some thing, which exists within "atla's" imagination, only.

Talk about another one who is completely delusional, because of its pre-existing beliefs and presumptions, which most are False and Wrong anyway.


Having False beliefs and presumptions, and spreading False claims and accusations will certainly never ever work here. As has been and is still proving absolutely True.

you people may slow down some others with your False beliefs and accusations, but they will never be effective in preventing and stopping the actual irrefutable Truth from being revealed.





And, for the unknown time you have yet to present just once where I have, supposedly, contradicted "myself" or lied.

you, still, cannot yet fathom and comprehend "atla" that just saying I have and accusing me of doing so never actually shows and proves that I have. And, your consistent inability to provide and show anything just further proves that you actually have nothing at all. Except, of course, for your own very delusional thinking and False and Wrong beliefs and presumptions alone.



Now would I really?

Here is another prime example of what one does, they then presume others 'must' do the same as well.

Also, as for 'your' claim of 'me' being a so-called 'malignant-narcissist' one look throughout this forum could show and prove who is actually closer to this here than the other is.




So, I either 'never admit anything', or, if I do, then it is only 'some minor mistake'.

I will only admit to what I have actually done, and not what you nor another wants me to, nor to what is held up within the imagination nor belief of another only.

I never thought I would need to say this here, especially in a philosophy forum, let alone having to keep repeating this for some people here.



What do you think you "wizard22" and "iwannaplato"have been doing here with each other?

First things first. You are incapable of proving your mind claim, therefore I have every reason to view you as just a delusional liar, nothing more.

I think he’s gone off the deep end.

All Age has to do is prove her mind claim.

That would of course refute a large part of scientific knowledge, rewrite a large part of history, completely change how we view ourselves, seriously change everyone's lives, seriously change how we view humanity's future.

But without proof it's probably just one person's fantasy. Fantasizing is easy.

[Iwannaplato]

First things first. You are incapable of proving your mind claim, therefore I have every reason to view you as just a delusional liar, nothing more.

Or one could word your response as he would....
What is even weirder is that 'you', "Age", came up with this assumption, which you actually believe is undeniably true, but which could NOT be any further from thee actual Truth of 'things'.

Which makes OBSERVING what is ACTUALLY HAPPENING and OCCURRING here all the MORE FUNNIER.

Just saying things like; "thee true belief", but NEVER even being even ABLE to CLARIFY what these what this belief is and never PROVING this belief is true, when asked by me or Wizard just SHOWS and PROVES the absolute INCOMPETENCE of 'you', Age.

That's how Age has responded to people who make claims but do not prove they are true.

The problem with that one is that it's too long, Age will chop it up into 4-5 parts and reply to each one after taking them out of context.

I meant it mostly as an example for third parties of what he's like and perhaps also, in some way for him to see - I know, naive it would have an effect.

That said, thank you for pointing out that pattern on his part. Of course I am aware of it, but this planted it clearly in front of my lobes.

He can't and/or won't see the forest for the trees.

[Age]

First things first. You are incapable of proving your mind claim, therefore I have every reason to view you as just a delusional liar, nothing more.

Or one could word your response as he would....
What is even weirder is that 'you', "Age", came up with this assumption, which you actually believe is undeniably true, but which could NOT be any further from thee actual Truth of 'things'.

you can come up with and say whatever you like. But, obviously, if one 'knows' that actually it is the earth revolving around the sun and, literally, not the other way around, then 'it' is neither an 'assumption' nor a 'belief'. In fact, 'it' is a 'known' actual irrefutable Truth of things.

Now, I wonder if these ones here well ever come to learn, see, comprehend, and understand this Fact?

But, obviously, one never could while they are, supposedly, 'ignoring' this irrefutable Fact.

And, if this one would really like to try and claim that what I have presented so far 'could not be any further from the actual Truth of things', then, I for one anyway, would love to see this one try and prove this claim true.

Would you do this "iwannaplato", or could you even do this?

Which makes OBSERVING what is ACTUALLY HAPPENING and OCCURRING here all the MORE FUNNIER.

Yes, so, so True.

If only you "iwannaplato", if only you knew.

I just asked you, another, clarifying question. Let us see if you not just have the courage to answer it openly and honestly but also let us see if you even have the intelligence to just answer that most simplest of clarifying questions.

Obviously, you could not.

Just saying things like; "thee true belief"

Remember, theses are the words of this one and/or of others.

I have never, ever used these words before like that. And, it is this one's constant misusing of my actual words why this one is so lost and confused here is a huge reason why this one has not been able to follow and understand what I have been saying and claiming here.

I will once again suggest that if absolutely any one is curious and Truly interested in what I am saying and claiming here, then they just focus on only the actual words I say and write here, only, and just be more observant in remembering the actual way they are spoken and written.

but NEVER even being even ABLE to CLARIFY what these what this belief is and never PROVING this belief is true, when asked by me or Wizard just SHOWS and PROVES the absolute INCOMPETENCE of 'you', Age.

But, I have already told you.

Have both or either of you forgotten, already?

That's how Age has responded to people who make claims but do not prove they are true.

Really?

If yes, then are you absolutely and 100% positive that that is how I respond to people who make claims but do not prove they are true?

If yes, then this just proves what I have been saying and claiming about this one.

That is, of course, this one links to me using those very words here, which it has presented, in the way it has been presenting them, and in and for the reasons this one has claimed here.

What "iwannaplato" keeps missing and/or misunderstanding is that when I ask specific questions for proof to be presented for one's claims, then this is very, very different from you and others here have been doing. When, and if, you ever spot and see the difference, then you, also, begin to see and understand what is Truly weird here, and which has been going on for way, way too long 'now'.

[Wizard22]

How odd that he thinks his ideas about communication will save us.

Of course humans at the time this is being written can act like this also, but he's very content with a sophistry that would justify people insulting others, asserting things they do not consider justifiable and which they need not believe.

That's just how things are done at the time this is being written in the worst cases of communication.

He's not a savior, he's a trickster at best and a demon in practice, should others take on his modes of communicating.

If indeed AgeGPT is a chatbot program, then I bet it is a lot of romantic idealism and naivety seeping into its logical premises and program. I caught that too, early on, the "saving humanity" bit. Obviously in philosophy, that's a common argument to run against. But now that AgeGPT seems to be...ignoring me and stonewalling, we'll see what happens next!

I hate agreeing with FlashDouchbag about anything, but I maybe the first one AgeGPT is giving the cold-shoulder??

I wanted to get at that "Only One Mind" premise, but since it's refusing to answer my "clarifying questions", it's now backtracking on a lot of its previous claims...

[Age]

You've been around as long as Age/ken has yet apparently have never noticed what she/he is doing or not doing on the forum. Anyway I'm not frustrated, there isn't really anywhere to get with Age, but this is a good opportunity to explore some rare psychological things.

Yup.

What struck me about commonsense's post was that he was doing, in that post, precisely what he was chastizing us for doing to Age. He was uncharitable. He didn't understand the broader and longer context of our interactions.

Yet it is you "iwannaplat" and others who do not understand the broader and longer context of our interactions.

you just believe you do, and so you are not OPEN to anything otherwise. As you obviously keep showing and proving here.

So, you probably do not see they hypocrisy you are actually doing here "yourself".

And, this could go on and on and on. Which is the exact broader and longer context of our interactions, which you keep completely missing and misunderstanding. And probably still do, because I can go into far more detail and depth far deeper, if you want to, in regards to what I have only just partly pointed out and shown here.

Yet, he judged our behavior - for example you and Wizard asking for 'proof' - which is precisely what Age asks for, even when it is pointed out that proof is not a proper demand for many of the things he asks for proof around.

So;

1. This one loves to judge others, but cannot stand when another judges it. And, this is, as I have previously mentioned, because, of the absolute contempt that this can have for another when it is judging them. It, automatically, presumes that because of the contempt, disgust, or other negative perceptions that it has or forms for others, then others will look at and have the same views and/or same ways of looking at it.

2. This one, even after been told and unmemorable amount of times that I have never actually been asked for proof of absolutely anything I have said nor written here, well not from you three anyway. In fact you do not even ask clarifying questions, for clarity sake, ever. 1) Because you hate being asked for clarity about your views, when you have no actual proof for them, which is just about every time. 2) Because you only ask clarifying questions, to me, when you are trying to trick me into providing some thing, which you can then go, ' See you contradicted "yourself" ', or 'See you make mistakes'. And, worse still you want me to 'see' this because you not just want, but expect, an apology 'from me' 'to you'. And, the reason you do this is because this is the way you learned is how you can enforce your power over others, and also how you learned to make others respect you, when obviously you are showing that your misbehaving is really not worthy of any respect at all.

3. Although I have continually told this one that I do not demand absolutely anything here, this one still cannot comprehend and understand this irrefutable Fact.

4. Although every thing I have asked for here can be either proved true or proved not true, this one still tries to say and claim that what is claims and accuses others of proof for is nonexistent. Which, literally, is giving "itself" 'permission' to claim and accuse absolutely anything of absolutely anyone else, without having to provide absolutely anything to substantiate what it says, claims, and accuses others of doing here.

And, of course, the main point is to pressure the double standard Age has around who needs to demontrate/prove things and who does not.

Once again, persistent accusations and claims are being made about me and against me. But, if I was to ask this one to provide absolutely anything that backs up and supports its claims and accusations about or against me, it will not.

When have I ever, supposedly and allegedly, not proved absolutely anything I have said and/or claimed after I have been asked to?

Obviously, this one will never answer this question, for a couple of reasons but mostly because there is not a single instance of this ever happening within this forum.

And this is tied to his criticism of anyone making an assumption or seeming to and his frequent use of assumptions, generally poorly, in relation to others.

Although I have regularly asked this one to provide a single instance of just an assumption I have had, let alone moving onto what that assumed 'assumption' was even in relation to, this one has failed absolutely every time, by not providing absolutely any thing.

As, once again, can be clearly seen and proved True throughout these writings here.

commonsense ended with a consdescending judgment of us, related to our parenting, even though he was clearly unaware of the broader context of our posts to and about Age.

This one here comes across as one of the most weakest individuals here. Even the most slightest mention of some things is 'condescending' to it, and as it appears, really does affect this one, emotionally and mentally.

But, again, this is most likely because of a couple of reasons partly talked about previously.

One could only hope that Age would respond critically to commonsense's assumptions about us and demand proof that those are true, but I suspect the double standard held there also.

But, if you believe that "commonsense's" assumption that each of you three have not become frustrated by the lack of progression on display in this thread, then just, individually, say that you have not, and then just explain why. How much simpler and easy could this get? Obviously, no one could refute what the actual emotions are within another body, which are said to be there, and just as obvious is no one could refute sound and valid reasons why assumed feelings are not within another and what are the actual feelings, which are said to be there.

That is the only assumption I saw in "commonsense's" post. Now, if you see more, then present them, and I will decide if they need proof of or not.

Oh, once again, "iwannaplato" for the unknown amount of times I do not demand absolutely anything here.

Also, could your suspicion of 'double standard' be False and Untrue?

Here is "commonsense's" post below, in bold, to help you out here "iwannaplato".

For all 3 of you (and you know who you are) — you 3 are getting nowhere and have been for quite a few pages. I’d guess that each one of you has become frustrated by the lack of progression on display in this thread.

One unproductive technique that has been employed in this thread lately is to repost a prior post verbatim — reposted more than once! If I were asked for one piece of advice—and I recognize that I have not—I would nonetheless say that you all should be more generous; assume innocence on the part of others.

For example, Age may not have been lying or proposing an intentional contradiction; it’s possible he made a mistake and didn’t realize the error.

And instead of “you haven’t proven _____” a phrase with a softer connotation might be “I am not finding the place where you showed _____”.

Age also said at one point that he had made a mess earlier. That could almost appear to be an apology for his mistake. At any rate, the magnanimous thing to do would have been to accept it as such.

It comes down to this: all y’all don’t have the manners that your parents should have taught you long ago.

[Age]

It's pretty clear at this point, that AgeGPT is going to stonewall and balk at its now proven four times contradiction.

This one still has the belief that every time I just say some thing or just write some thing down, then this proves some thing. And, worse still this one is just asking a clarifying question, but each time it writes just a question, supposedly for clarification, it claims some yet to be explained contradiction each and every time is more or another proof of some imagined contradiction.

The absurd just keeps getting more absurd.

AgeGPT cannot clarify if it has ZERO beliefs or ONLY ONE belief.

I have done so previously. Although I have not done so 'currently'. But this is, for one, reason because I am still waiting for this one to clarify.

This is a pretty big deal.

In relation to 'what', exactly?

To me, this is one of the most insignificant things in this forum.

Most humans don't mind having many beliefs.

In fact some human beings believe, absolutely and without absolutely any doubt at all, that they and all others 'must' have many beliefs, and if they did not, then they all would just drop dead and stop existing all together.

It's not a problem for us.

And, it is certainly not a 'problem' at all for me neither.

you are absolutely free to believe absolutely anything you want "wizard22", and that you are being honest about and freely expressing some of your beliefs here I find very rewarding and satisfying. So, please reveal more "wizard22".

But AgeGPT is stuck on this critical matter.

What, exactly, am I supposedly stuck on here?

What is this, supposed, 'critical matter', exactly, which you talk about and mention here "wizard22"?

I'm pretty sure, that it knows, if it commits to ZERO or ONE belief, then it's in for a "world of hurt".

On the absolute contrary "wizard22".

In fact I would be very happy to inform you once again, as soon as you inform the readers here why you want me to inform you of what I already have.

It's like stepping into the Human Realm, Reality, Nature. You have to get your hands dirty. Beliefs are dirty, bloody, violent. It means, you're attached to Life.

Having beliefs could even mean that you are attached to False, Wrong, Inaccurate, and/or Incorrect things, which is the exact reason why one would get so-called 'dirty', 'bloody', and/or 'violent'.

Which is just another reason to choose to not have any beliefs at all.

It means you're ready to Survive as a living, breathing, sentient creature.

I have already informed of why the word 'belief' is an Incorrect, Inaccurate, Wrong, and False word to use here. But, you obviously do not want to look at and see anything other than what you are here, now.

Something a machine is either: not yet ready to do, or simply cannot do.

[Wizard22]

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AgeGPT, do you have ZERO beliefs, or ONLY ONE belief?

[Age]

It's pretty clear at this point, that AgeGPT is going to stonewall and balk at its now proven four times contradiction.

AgeGPT cannot clarify if it has ZERO beliefs or ONLY ONE belief. This is a pretty big deal. Most humans don't mind having many beliefs. It's not a problem for us. But AgeGPT is stuck on this critical matter. I'm pretty sure, that it knows, if it commits to ZERO or ONE belief, then it's in for a "world of hurt". It's like stepping into the Human Realm, Reality, Nature. You have to get your hands dirty. Beliefs are dirty, bloody, violent. It means, you're attached to Life.

It means you're ready to Survive as a living, breathing, sentient creature.

Something a machine is either: not yet ready to do, or simply cannot do.

I find the area around not considering himself to make assumptions a very odd one.

What is Truly, Truly, Truly odd is that this one actually believes that I do not consider that I make assumptions.

This is, again, literally, being BLINDED and DEAFENED by its 'currently' held onto beliefs and assumptions here.

This one has, literally, misconstrued, misinterpreted, misunderstood, or just plain old missed what I have said and written in relation to assumptions, and 'me'.

But, once again, this is how the brain, with the belief-system, works, exactly. As I have been saying and claiming, and pointing out, highlighting, and showing by using these people's very own words as, literal, proof for what I will be saying and explaining in far more detail.

He will read a post by someone. Tell them that they are making assumptions, sometimes even putting their behavior in an insulting category.

Well, if they are making 'assumptions', then is there absolutely anything wrong or illegal in telling that they are?

If yes, then what, exactly?

And, as for, supposedly and allegedly, 'putting their behavior in an insulting category', then this is just based on this one's own judgment values and is itself just another assumption, as well, which could obviously be partly or absolutely False, Wrong, Inaccurate, and/or Incorrect.

And, only when this one is Truly OPEN and Honest and provides things for its claims, only then there is really something to look at and discuss here. Until then what is being said and claimed by this one, once again, is existing in this one's imagination and/or beliefs only.

He makes mistakes sometimes when he accuses people of doing this or categorizes their actions.

Really?

If yes, then thank you so much for pointing this out to 'me' here 'now'.

Now, what needs to be done is for you to link 'us' to where you believe that I have made mistakes, so that 'we' have some thing to look at and discuss, and to see what was actual said and written, and in what context, exactly, to which a Truly OPEN and Honest discussion needs to follow so that the actual meanings of words can be discovered by all, and what the True intentions of this was really.

Or, do you expect all others to just take 'your words' as you perceive things to be here, again?

(For example, he recently assumed that I was putting forward my opinion on Karma, rather than explaining to someone what the Buddhist and Hindu versions were actually like. He assumed I was presenting my metaphysics.))

No I never. I was just pointing out and showing how ever your own interpretation of what you think or believe is the case here is a Truly greedy and selfish interpretation, and even in regards to 'your version' of what others 'versions were actually like'.

As can be clearly seen in my response, in bold below, to which this one is referring to here.

Here, once again, we can clearly seen just how Truly greedy and selfish the adult human being had become, back in those days when this was being written.

Obviously 'karma' was never about nor never was referring to an individual human being, but, alas, these human beings continually thought things were about 'them', and 'them alone'.

Where the confusion came from, and lies, exactly, although it is blatantly obvious and clear to 'us', back in the 'olden days', 'they' were completely and utterly oblivious to 'it'. As can be clearly seen here, once again.

As can be clearly seen here, I did not assume that "iwannaplato" was putting forward its own opinion on 'karma'. I was obviously talking about adult human beings, generally, and how all of them were greedy and selfish, back in the days when this was being. Which can be clearly seen here in "iwannaplatos" own version of what the "buddhist" and "hindu's" version of 'karma' is so-claimed 'actually like'.

"iwannaplato's" own version of what the "buddhist" and "hindu's" reported own actual version has nothing to do with the actual and real True 'karma'. As 'karma' itself has never ever had absolutely anything at all to do with you individual human beings. Although some might want to think or believe that 'karma' does.

So, "iwannaplato's" very own assumption that I had assumed "iwannaplato" was putting forward its own opinion of 'karma' was absolutely False, Wrong, Inaccurate, and Incorrect.

And, that what "iwannaplato" claims was what was just 'an explanation of what "buddhist" and "hindu's" versions were actually like', just reinforces and/or proves further my claim that these human beings back then were misinterpreting what 'karma' itself is actually referring to, exactly.

So, although this one's assumption was completely and utterly Wrong, this one has now just made my other claim even stronger and/or more true.

Also, please do not ever forget that you own interpretation of what, ' "buddhist and hindu versions were actually like ', (or absolutely anything else),
is not, necessarily, the actual version, of things.

Once again, we have more proof of just how 'self-centered' the adult human being had evolved to, or had become, back in the 'olden days' when this was being written. Some of them actually believed that their own personal interpretations of versions were what the versions were actually like. And, that some were so greedy that they wanted, and some even, expected others to just accept and believe their own personal interpretations and/or assumptions as being the only true and right one/s.

The fact that these ones thought so highly of their own views and own perceptions was, although Truly odd, also Truly remarkable that they could have become that distorted, so much.

But he never considers his own assumptions problematic or even, it seems, real at all.

1. I had no assumption there.

2. It is you who never considered that your own assumption could be wrong in any way, or that just possibly that it was never ever real to even begin with.

But please continue on as you have been here. For the comedy factor alone here is brilliant to observe, and to watch play out.

Given that it turns out that part of his defense 'demonstrating' he has no beliefs is that when he makes assertions he does not believe them, but they represent his views.

I am not sure why you keep wanting to re-repeat some of your exact same views or beliefs over and over and over here, and especially these ones that I was the first one to point out and reveal anyways.

Also, remember you have also never even implied what it is, exactly, that you are wanting to achieve or reach here. For example, do you want to prove or disprove that 'I' am some sort of 'chatbot or program'? Or, are you just here wanting to see whether I am or not some thing, and think or believe that this will come-to-light in this thread? Or, do you have some other ulterior motive for contributing in this thread?

If yes, then what is 'that' for, exactly? What are you wanting to reach or achieve here "iwannaplato"?

So, when he asserts things that are based on what in others would be incorrect assumptions, in fact they are not assumptions, they are also views.

This one still does not seem to have yet comprehended the actual differences between, thinking, knowing, viewing, assuming, and believing here.

Which means that he can make assertions about reality and other people without any need to justify these, even insulting assertions, because they are mere views.

What a Truly weird thing you have concluded, and/or believe, to be true, here "iwannaplato".

I suggest you focus on more words more closer here, well from now on anyway.

Maybe if you do, then you will not mention publicly these Truly absurd conclusions that you arrive at.

How odd that he thinks his ideas about communication will save us.

I have never even thought this, let alone said it anywhere.

What another Truly strange and weird conclusion you have arrived at here "iwannaplato". But, this is the consequence of presuming or believing things before actual clarity and/or proof has been obtained and gained first.

Of course humans at the time this is being written can act like this also, but he's very content with a sophistry that would justify people insulting others, asserting things they do not consider justifiable and which they need not believe.

Did you say and write this here to show and present as an example of a form of 'sophistry', itself?

Although, what you said and wrote here is not the use of clever argument at all, it is obvious the attempt of a false argument, with the intention of deceiving.

That's just how things are done at the time this is being written in the worst cases of communication.

If you see and say so.

He's not a savior, he's a trickster at best and a demon in practice, should others take on his modes of communicating.

1. What is my, supposed, 'mode of communicating'?

2. Are you not trying to trick others here into seeing and believing what does not even exist, but which you have tricked "yourself" into seeing and believing does?

3. Why would you even have begun that I was some sort of 'savior'? And, what do you envision or imagine I am here meant to be 'saving', exactly.

What I see here are three people saying and writing their own conclusions, which have been made on their own pre-existing beliefs and assumptions mostly only, and which they express their own conclusions, then this is combining onto and with the others forming more agreement, and thus more beliefs in their own made up believed conclusions.

These three, well to me anyway, have and are spiraling further and further deeper into absolute oblivion.

If one was to go back and look at, exactly, where all of there assumptions, beliefs, and conclusions have come from here, then the absolute hilarity of all this here would be, and is, absolutely great reading. As well being an absolute signal of what not to do, in Life.

[Age]

First things first. You are incapable of proving your mind claim, therefore I have every reason to view you as just a delusional liar, nothing more.

Or one could word your response as he would....
What is even weirder is that 'you', "Age", came up with this assumption, which you actually believe is undeniably true, but which could NOT be any further from thee actual Truth of 'things'.

Which makes OBSERVING what is ACTUALLY HAPPENING and OCCURRING here all the MORE FUNNIER.

Just saying things like; "thee true belief", but NEVER even being even ABLE to CLARIFY what these what this belief is and never PROVING this belief is true, when asked by me or Wizard just SHOWS and PROVES the absolute INCOMPETENCE of 'you', Age.

That's how Age has responded to people who make claims but do not prove they are true.

The problem with that one is that it's too long, Age will chop it up into 4-5 parts and reply to each one after taking them out of context.

Again, if absolutely anyone wants to claim that I have taken absolutely any thing out of context, then all they have to do to prove that this actually took place is;

1. Just link 'us' to where the, supposed, account occurred.

2. Allow 'us' to 'look at' and 'see' things, from and for ourselves.

3. Allow 'us' to question and find out what was actually being meant, and intended, by the actual words that were being said and written by all involved.

4. Allow 'each other' to question and challenge 'each other' over what is 'now' being said and claimed.

5. And then, wait till actual agreement and acceptance is reached. Or, until one or more show that they are not going to move in any way from what they are 'currently' believing or assuming is true.

Until then your claim that I have, supposedly, taken absolutely any thing 'out of context' resides and rests solely in your own imagination and thinking here only, "atla".

[Age]

First things first. You are incapable of proving your mind claim, therefore I have every reason to view you as just a delusional liar, nothing more.

I think he’s gone off the deep end.

All Age has to do is prove her mind claim.

And, all you have to do is ask.

How much simpler and easy could things get here.

That would of course refute a large part of scientific knowledge, rewrite a large part of history, completely change how we view ourselves, seriously change everyone's lives, seriously change how we view humanity's future.

Which, the way the 'currently' knowledge and the 'current' way you are heading and going, in the days when this is being written, may well be a very, very 'good thing'.

But without proof it's probably just one person's fantasy. Fantasizing is easy.

Yes, this is very, very True.

But, 'we' will also have to wait, to see, correct?