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Re: solving racism

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You can't solve racism in US when cops fill out the form for arrests when RACE: is answered with "black".

Bloody ridiculous, is BLACK a race?
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attofishpi wrote: Wed Feb 07, 2024 10:27 pm You can't solve racism in US when cops fill out the form for arrests when RACE: is answered with "black".

Bloody ridiculous, is BLACK a race?
Most people to whom it applies prefer that designation.
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commonsense wrote: Wed Feb 07, 2024 10:52 pm
attofishpi wrote: Wed Feb 07, 2024 10:27 pm You can't solve racism in US when cops fill out the form for arrests when RACE: is answered with "black".

Bloody ridiculous, is BLACK a race?
Most people to whom it applies prefer that designation.
Prefer it to what?
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attofishpi wrote: Wed Feb 07, 2024 10:56 pm
commonsense wrote: Wed Feb 07, 2024 10:52 pm
attofishpi wrote: Wed Feb 07, 2024 10:27 pm You can't solve racism in US when cops fill out the form for arrests when RACE: is answered with "black".

Bloody ridiculous, is BLACK a race?
Most people to whom it applies prefer that designation.
Prefer it to what?
To anything else.
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commonsense wrote: Wed Feb 07, 2024 11:24 pm
attofishpi wrote: Wed Feb 07, 2024 10:56 pm
commonsense wrote: Wed Feb 07, 2024 10:52 pm

Most people to whom it applies prefer that designation.
Prefer it to what?
To anything else.
Prefer it to African American?

Are Indians black?
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attofishpi wrote: Thu Feb 08, 2024 1:10 am
commonsense wrote: Wed Feb 07, 2024 11:24 pm
attofishpi wrote: Wed Feb 07, 2024 10:56 pm

Prefer it to what?
To anything else.
Prefer it to African American?

Are Indians black?
Now I get it. You’re feigning ignorance so that you can play a joke on me. Ha-ha!
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commonsense wrote: Thu Feb 08, 2024 1:41 am
attofishpi wrote: Thu Feb 08, 2024 1:10 am
commonsense wrote: Wed Feb 07, 2024 11:24 pm

To anything else.
Prefer it to African American?

Are Indians black?
Now I get it. You’re feigning ignorance so that you can play a joke on me. Ha-ha!
No I'm being serious. In what universe is "BLACK" a race?

Do the cops put down "BLACK" if they arrest an Indian (from India with dark skin)?
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attofishpi wrote: Thu Feb 08, 2024 1:45 am
commonsense wrote: Thu Feb 08, 2024 1:41 am
attofishpi wrote: Thu Feb 08, 2024 1:10 am

Prefer it to African American?

Are Indians black?
Now I get it. You’re feigning ignorance so that you can play a joke on me. Ha-ha!
No I'm being serious. In what universe is "BLACK" a race?

Do the cops put down "BLACK" if they arrest an Indian (from India with dark skin)?
The use of “black” for their race was coined by people who are African Americans (which is also correct but more formal).

I don’t know what cops (law enforcement officers) put on their forms for Indians from India, but the term commonly used by woke people is “brown people”, which refers to non-white people other than blacks.

“People of color” is the phrase commonly used to reference non-white people as a single group.


Where have you been living since the 60s?
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commonsense wrote: Thu Feb 08, 2024 2:03 am
attofishpi wrote: Thu Feb 08, 2024 1:45 am
commonsense wrote: Thu Feb 08, 2024 1:41 am

Now I get it. You’re feigning ignorance so that you can play a joke on me. Ha-ha!
No I'm being serious. In what universe is "BLACK" a race?

Do the cops put down "BLACK" if they arrest an Indian (from India with dark skin)?
The use of “black” for their race was coined by people who are African Americans (which is also correct but more formal).
Can you cite a reference for that?

commonsense wrote:I don’t know what cops (law enforcement officers) put on their forms for Indians from India, but the term commonly used by woke people is “brown people”, which refers to non-white people other than blacks.
What I am attempting to point out is that putting the hue of someone's skin colour on a form is NOT A RACE!!

..and it seems extremely racist to do so.

commonsense wrote:“People of color” is the phrase commonly used to reference non-white people as a single group.


Where have you been living since the 60s?
Prior to the 70s I have no idea, maybe I was an African American somewhere in the US. :wink:
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Ha! I knew that I was right to suspect that this was a trap all along. Nevertheless I will reply as follows:
attofishpi wrote: Thu Feb 08, 2024 1:45 am
commonsense wrote: Thu Feb 08, 2024 2:03 am
The use of “black” for their race was coined by people who are African Americans (which is also correct but more formal).
Can you cite a reference for that?
My personal experience reading The Washington Post and watching CBS News on television in the 1960s.
attofishpi wrote: Thu Feb 08, 2024 1:45 am
commonsense wrote:I don’t know what cops (law enforcement officers) put on their forms for Indians from India, but the term commonly used by woke people is “brown people”, which refers to non-white people other than blacks.
What I am attempting to point out is that putting the hue of someone's skin colour on a form is NOT A RACE!!

..and it seems extremely racist to do so.
Blacks accept that black refers to themselves as well as it refers to a color.
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commonsense wrote: Thu Feb 08, 2024 4:32 pm Ha! I knew that I was right to suspect that this was a trap all along. Nevertheless I will reply as follows:
attofishpi wrote: Thu Feb 08, 2024 1:45 am
commonsense wrote: Thu Feb 08, 2024 2:03 am
The use of “black” for their race was coined by people who are African Americans (which is also correct but more formal).
Can you cite a reference for that?
My personal experience reading The Washington Post and watching CBS News on television in the 1960s.
That fits with my memory.... activists and leaders, including Malcolm X and Stokely Carmichael, advocated for embracing the term "Black" to instill a sense of pride and empowerment in African American identity. They rejected "Negro" and "Colored," which were associated with historical oppression and denigration. Since then, "Black" has been widely accepted and used as a racial identifier for people of African descent in the United States. Not that it's simple. And probably some AAs wouldn't be thrilled to be called that by some non-AA they didn't know.

Negro more or less means black, but then choosing the name yourselves, rather than merely accepting a label probably feels better. Colored is pretty silly. It's as if, for example, white people don't have colors and it sure ain't white except for a few from Iceland and even then.
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commonsense wrote: Thu Feb 08, 2024 4:32 pm Ha! I knew that I was right to suspect that this was a trap all along. Nevertheless I will reply as follows:
But it wasn't a trap. I truly did not know that it was accepted in US that "black" = African American. I truly thought people with brown skin of other races might be written on the form for race as 'black' also.

PS. Thanks for clearing that up!
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I suppose I ought to start identifying myself as a "white American of European descent". I don't think I have any relatives from the Caucasus mountains.
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Gary Childress wrote: Sun Feb 11, 2024 8:33 pm I suppose I ought to start identifying myself as a "white American of European descent". I don't think I have any relatives from the Caucasus mountains.
Or you could with: "hi, I'm Gary" to folks who aren't blind.
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LuckyR wrote: Sun Feb 11, 2024 9:55 pm
Gary Childress wrote: Sun Feb 11, 2024 8:33 pm I suppose I ought to start identifying myself as a "white American of European descent". I don't think I have any relatives from the Caucasus mountains.
Or you could with: "hi, I'm Gary" to folks who aren't blind.
True.
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