Is morality objective or subjective?

[iambiguous]

Well, watch the video, and see if you're right. It's only a few minutes long.

Another video!

Only this guy, after hawking his book, tells us only that there are 4 new arguments to "prove" the existence of the Christian God.

From my frame of mind, compared to William Lane Craig, this guy is particularly hapless. All he focuses on is what science does not yet know about the universe, about biological life, about biological evolution. The rest, we can be assured, is God. Don't believe it? Well, just read Aristotle, Augustine, Acquinas. Their arguments.

I suspect, however, that someday science will be able to create life out of non-living matter. Then just as Christians had to make their adjustments to Galileo back in the day, they will have to make their adjustments here too.

"Okay, mere mortals can create life, but only God Himself can simply "will" it into existence!"




Nope, nothing from Craig and the folks at Reasonable Faith yet.

[Immanuel Can]

Why do you need to find meaning ?

Well, of course, it's not some sort of "personal taste." It's not the case that some people like to know the meaning of life, and others don't. Because we all have to make decisions and set the trajectory of our own lives, every one of us is forced to premise all that on some idea we have of what our "story" is all about...where we came from, where we're going, and what's good for us to be doing in the meanwhile.

That's as inescapable as breathing; one can only stop it by not being alive.

But there are people who have meanings of which they are conscious, and there are those for whom the meaning of life sits in the background of their thoughts like a half-understood idea. They may even occasional get a twinge of concern that they don't know enough about it; but they may also simply fight that off with a quick trip to the pub and a game of footie. Still, they are forced to make decisions: and their values have to come from somewhere. So it will turn out to be whatever half-baked, half-grasped notion of meaning they happen to carry around with them from their parentage, schooling, or just their personal prejudices.

Or, one can pause. One can say, "Hang on a bit: maybe this means something." And one can think about it. The very worst this is going to get you is a more realistic sense of whether the inchoate 'theory' one has been smuggling around in one's head is any good or not. At the best, it's going to set you on a path to making sense out of whatever meaning the universe already has to offer.

But one won't get either if one simply refuses to ask the question, of course. All one gets, then, is what Socrates called, "the unexamined life," which he famously condemned as "not worth living."

[Immanuel Can]

Who cares what she said? It's all about the way she says it.

To quote Monty Python, "What a strange man!"

(You get bonus points if you can name the movie and the scene. I'll be truly impressed.)

So her lack of an agenda is something you find puzzling?

No. But I do find her lack of progress a bit puzzling. One usually doesn't bother publicizing such things.

[iambiguous]

You're right! That's one of them. I think you'll find the video's short and entertaining. I hope you find it stimulating of further thought.

I watched the (cringe) video.

Interesting. The one thing you didn't mention? The content. You argued with the poster, the alleged agenda, me, politics, Israel...but nothing the video actually said.

I wonder why.

Of course, I could say the same thing in regard to IC...him refusing to respond to the content of my own reactions to the Craig videos here: viewtopic.php?t=40750

But apparently the criticisms he levels at atheists here he refuses to level at himself. He can't even admit to himself that when push comes to shove his own arguments really are just another rendition of "because it says so in the Bible".

[Harbal]

Why do you need to find meaning ?

Well, of course, it's not some sort of "personal taste." It's not the case that some people like to know the meaning of life,

Well what could the answer to that possibly be?

What is the meaning of a frog? what is the meaning of that layer of dust on my window sill? What is the meaning of nutmeg? So many questions, and so few answers. How am I supposed to live like this?

[Immanuel Can]

How am I supposed to live like this?

"On auto pilot," would be the answer.

If we don't think about it, it's not that the real meaning of life will disappear...it's just that we'll miss it.

[Harbal]

Who cares what she said? It's all about the way she says it.

To quote Monty Python, "What a strange man!"

To not quote Oscar Wilde, "The only thing worse than being considered strange, is to be regarded as normal".

(You get bonus points if you can name the movie and the scene. I'll be truly impressed.)

I could probably google it and claim to have known, but I cannot tell a lie. That's probably why God doesn't bother me; he knows I don't need supervision.

So her lack of an agenda is something you find puzzling?

No. But I do find her lack of progress a bit puzzling. One usually doesn't bother publicizing such things.

I daresay you are more used to false claims of certainty than admissions of ignorance.

[Harbal]

How am I supposed to live like this?

"On auto pilot," would be the answer.

If we don't think about it, it's not that the real meaning of life will disappear...it's just that we'll miss it.

I'm retired, and I live alone. When I get up in the morning the only thing I need think about is how I will keep myself entertained until it's time to go to bed again. Please don't try to spoil that for me.

[Immanuel Can]

I daresay you are more used to false claims of certainty than admissions of ignorance.

Hard to say, isn't it...since you don't know what I do or do not know?

[Immanuel Can]

How am I supposed to live like this?

"On auto pilot," would be the answer.

If we don't think about it, it's not that the real meaning of life will disappear...it's just that we'll miss it.

I'm retired, and I live alone. When I get up in the morning the only thing I need think about is how I will keep myself entertained until it's time to go to bed again. Please don't try to spoil that for me.

You might be in the wrong place for a nice nap in front of the fire.

[Alexis Jacobi]

Because of all the yapping Yorkshire Terriers running around ruining the peaceful atmosphere?

[Harbal]

I daresay you are more used to false claims of certainty than admissions of ignorance.

Hard to say, isn't it...since you don't know what I do or do not know?

No, but I often suspect that what you know isn't the same as what you say.

[Immanuel Can]

I daresay you are more used to false claims of certainty than admissions of ignorance.

Hard to say, isn't it...since you don't know what I do or do not know?

No, but I often suspect that what you know isn't the same as what you say.

Well, what one person knows is often quite different from what another knows...or thinks he knows.

[Walker]

How am I supposed to live like this?

"On auto pilot," would be the answer.

If we don't think about it, it's not that the real meaning of life will disappear...it's just that we'll miss it.

I'm retired, and I live alone. When I get up in the morning the only thing I need think about is how I will keep myself entertained until it's time to go to bed again. Please don't try to spoil that for me.

You sound sympatico with Jiddu Krishnamurti on some of the bigger topics. I'll post a link where there might be an interest.

[Alexis Jacobi]

Give him tangible guidance on the Meaning of the Frog, Walker. Krishnamurti when the ground is prepared …