Is it Wrong to Put Faith in Humanity?

[Age]

Are humans "evil" for being born and needing to eat, drink, and enjoy sex and thus producing the results on the planet that we are seeing? Or should the creator of all that is (including the Earth and humans) have made the Earth more able to accommodate us? If we're headed for the next 'great extinction', then I'd say we've been short-changed. But yes, we need to cut back on our environment-degrading activities. I just wouldn't call us all "evil" for what amounts to being born and doing what we like to do. Maybe we're gluttons or something, but "evil" sounds a little harsh for being a glutton.

Not only are humans evil but the entire world is. It takes a lot of talent and effort to go against that, only about 15-20% of people are capable of it.

80% of humans aren't out murdering each other. Nature, God, or whatever created the world, we humans didn't. I may hijack the sub and evacuate the seamen once in a while but I'm not the one who created the really good feeling that comes from it. Just about everything pleasurable in this world in terms of dopamine seems to involve doing something wrong or unhealthy.

On the contrary, the most pleasurable comes from doing what is Right, in Life.

Human beings, however and hitherto the days when this is being written, have just not evolved enough to experience this True bliss and serenity, yet. But it is surely coming.

Because of human beings Truly amazing ability to learn things, and learn very quickly, and because of their unfortunate experiences in early childhood, children have just learned to replace TRUE LOVE with the 'love' of something else, like doing things, for example.

Human beings, very quickly, learn to replace the 'love', or the 'buzz', that they are not getting, or not receiving, from others, with the 'buzz', the 'love', they get when doing other things, like drinking, drugging, gambling, having sex, partying, and even exercise and/or work and obtaining more and more money.

See all human beings are born 'needing' 'love', but when they are not getting this, then they replace this with 'the love of ...', [something else], which is commonly referred to as an 'addiction'. All children are born addicted to 'love' but replace this 'addiction to and for love', to 'the love of or for some other thing'.

In the process of missing out on TRUE LOVE, children are not learning how to give what is proper, and Truly wanted, that is; 'love' to others, and in turn actually learn how to justify/rationalize doing the Wrong things, in Life. But they are only able to justify/rationalize this to some alone.

Noble deeds all seem to involve going against the more pleasurable.

Did/does your own mother not get pleasure out of 'mothering' you "gary childress"?

Do you not know of any one who gets more pleasure out of helping others? I know of some who become 'addicted to' this putting others in front of themselves, or before themselves, because of the pleasurable feeling/s they get out of just helping others, even if it is to their own detriment.

I mean, we're so used to it that many of us take it for granted and don't even dare say how fucked up that is.

I think you are only looking at one side of things here, once again.

Whoever or whatever created the universe must think it's great to tempt people to do evil.

Going by your own definition of 'evil' here "gary childress", which is; only the most ultimate wrong, like killing another against their will[,/b] then if you think the Creator of all must think it is great to tempt people, in other words you, to do evil, then how often, exactly, are you tempted to kill another, against their will?

Of course, according to the Bible, God also told Abraham to sacrifice his son.

And what was, exactly, meant by this?

I believe Kierkegaard made the comment somewhere about life beginning with tears and ending in death

Well for you human beings, (alone maybe?), of course you begin with tears.

Crying is the way to release stress and pain, as well as to express joy and happiness sometimes, well that is; before language and words come along.

indicating that the world wasn't created for pleasure.

Really?

So, what you take from the whole of one's own life experiences are a few very minute natural parts of the beginning of one's own life, and the very last split second of one's own life, and then based that the whole Universe and absolutely everything within It was not created for pleasure.

Have you ever considered that the tears of birth may well be 'tears of joy' of entering and coming into this One and ONLY Universe, and 'world', we know as Life, Itself?

My reply would be why not? What kind of creator creates a world like this?

Are you still not yet aware "gary childress" that the way you look at, and see, things is not necessarily the one and only actual Truth of things?

Could it be a possibility that you have some sort of biased, twisted, distorted, and/or narrowed view and picture of 'the world', based solely upon your own personal life experiences, which does not align, absolutely, with the actual True and FULL BIG Picture of things?

[Age]

Not only are humans evil but the entire world is. It takes a lot of talent and effort to go against that, only about 15-20% of people are capable of it.

80% of humans aren't out murdering each other. Nature, God, or whatever created the world, we humans didn't. I may hijack the sub and evacuate the seamen once in a while but I'm not the one who created the really good feeling that comes from it. Just about everything pleasurable in this world in terms of dopamine seems to involve doing something wrong or unhealthy. Noble deeds all seem to involve going against the more pleasurable. I mean, we're so used to it that many of us take it for granted and don't even dare say how fucked up that is. Whoever or whatever created the universe must think it's great to tempt people to do evil. Of course, according to the Bible, God also told Abraham to sacrifice his son.

I believe Kierkegaard made the comment somewhere about life beginning with tears and ending in death indicating that the world wasn't created for pleasure. My reply would be why not? What kind of creator creates a world like this?

Well I'd argue that the final nuclear war will be inevitable by 2050 and most humans contribute to it so we are out murdering each other.

So, you might as well all go out and murder and take all that you want 'now', hey?

[Age]

Not only are humans evil but the entire world is. It takes a lot of talent and effort to go against that, only about 15-20% of people are capable of it.

80% of humans aren't out murdering each other. Nature, God, or whatever created the world, we humans didn't. I may hijack the sub and evacuate the seamen once in a while but I'm not the one who created the really good feeling that comes from it. Just about everything pleasurable in this world in terms of dopamine seems to involve doing something wrong or unhealthy. Noble deeds all seem to involve going against the more pleasurable. I mean, we're so used to it that many of us take it for granted and don't even dare say how fucked up that is. Whoever or whatever created the universe must think it's great to tempt people to do evil. Of course, according to the Bible, God also told Abraham to sacrifice his son.

I believe Kierkegaard made the comment somewhere about life beginning with tears and ending in death indicating that the world wasn't created for pleasure. My reply would be why not? What kind of creator creates a world like this?

At least most people mean well, but are simply not intelligent enough.

How could one be so-called 'not intelligent enough'?

Either, one is being intelligent or they are not.

But then again you "atla" probably have and use a very different definition for the 'intelligent' word than I do.

Evil comes in many forms, the most widespread is stupidity.

Really?

Is this attempt at defining the 'evil' word apply to everyone, or just some. For surely other would never define 'evil' with the 'stupidity' word in it.

Then there's the lack of empathy kind of evil.

So, absolutely everyone should have the exact same level of empathy, as "atla" may well proclaim to have, and if any one lacks 'this level', then this alone is 'evil'.

Also, and by the way, considering the irrefutable fact that you "atla" lack empathy, compared to some others, does this mean that you are 'evil', or that lacking of empathy that you have and show is 'evil'?

Then there's the malignance kind of evil, like actively wanting to hurt and kill others. Then there's the delusional evil like Age.

1. Would you like to share examples of 'evil' in the form of stupidity?

2. Would you like to share examples of 'evil' in the form of lacking of empathy kind?

3. Obviously if someone wants to hurt or kill others, then 'this' could fit into a definition of 'evil'.

4. Will you provide examples of the so-called and so-called 'delusional evil'? Or, will just providing the name 'Age' be sufficient enough you imagine?

And so on, there are more. Stupidity and some others can't be fixed. So the world never even gave us a chance. That's why I think the world itself is 'evil' and should be rebuilt from scratch.

So, when you say and claim that 'the world', itself, is 'evil', does this fit in with any of the above forms that you have provided here?

And, what do the words 'the world' even mean or refer to, to you, in which 'the world', itself, could even be called or classed as 'evil'?

Also, and by the way, do you even have a definition for the word 'evil', which you would like to express and share with us here, now?

Furthermore, who and/or what, exactly, do you propose could so-call 'rebuild the world', from scratch?

[Age]

Not only are humans evil but the entire world is.

Human beings are never 'evil'. Just like there is no human being that is 'good', nor 'bad'.

But all adult human beings do do Wrong, and good.

It takes a lot of talent and effort to go against the natural evil order of things, only about 15-20% of people are capable of it.

This here was one of the prime examples they would use, back then, when they were trying to justify and/or rationalize their obviously Wrong behaviors.

Human beings are naturally very loving and caring beings.

Some, however, and very sadly, but Truly understandably, have just learned, along the way, to hate and to be cruel to others.

And, because of the absolutely amazing ability within human beings to be able to learn and reason absolutely any and every thing, some have learned to reason/justify, to themselves, and a select few only, their Wrong thinking, and behaving.

Which is not enough. There never was a 'humanity' and there probably never will be, which pains me too as I believed in humanity for the longest time too.

Okay.

Why don't you stop making claims when you no longer have any idea about anything?

So, to "atla", it is 'I' who no longer has absolutely any idea about absolutely any thing at all.

You're a delusional idiot who thinks she's God.

So, according to "atla" 'I' now think that 'I' am female gendered 'she' God.

Had your brain bleached with meds and you forgot everything except that you're God.

I probably would not know, if this had actually happened, right "atla"?

I assume you don't work so you're a parasite on society. You are a lesser kind of 'evil'.

And, once again, "atla" as I always suggest to you, do not let your assumptions get in the way of obtaining the FULL and actual True Picture, hey "atla"?

Also, so what if I do not work, does this make me lesser than you, in your view?

[Atla]

Human beings are never 'evil'. Just like there is no human being that is 'good', nor 'bad'.

But all adult human beings do do Wrong, and good.



This here was one of the prime examples they would use, back then, when they were trying to justify and/or rationalize their obviously Wrong behaviors.

Human beings are naturally very loving and caring beings.

Some, however, and very sadly, but Truly understandably, have just learned, along the way, to hate and to be cruel to others.

And, because of the absolutely amazing ability within human beings to be able to learn and reason absolutely any and every thing, some have learned to reason/justify, to themselves, and a select few only, their Wrong thinking, and behaving.


Okay.

Why don't you stop making claims when you no longer have any idea about anything?

So, to "atla", it is 'I' who no longer has absolutely any idea about absolutely any thing at all.

You're a delusional idiot who thinks she's God.

So, according to "atla" 'I' now think that 'I' am female gendered 'she' God.

Had your brain bleached with meds and you forgot everything except that you're God.

I probably would not know, if this had actually happened, right "atla"?

I assume you don't work so you're a parasite on society. You are a lesser kind of 'evil'.

And, once again, "atla" as I always suggest to you, do not let your assumptions get in the way of obtaining the FULL and actual True Picture, hey "atla"?

Also, so what if I do not work, does this make me lesser than you, in your view?

How about you stop pretending that you're effing God or that God is talking through you. How about you stop pretending all this mental existence bullshit and stop pretending that you've seen humanity's harmonious future.

How about you stop pretending that these 'ACTUAL TRUTHS' aren't just your fucked up beliefs and hallucinations.

Once you're no longer insane, maybe they will one day take you off meds and maybe you can do something better with your life.

[Age]

Why don't you stop making claims when you no longer have any idea about anything?

So, to "atla", it is 'I' who no longer has absolutely any idea about absolutely any thing at all.

You're a delusional idiot who thinks she's God.

So, according to "atla" 'I' now think that 'I' am female gendered 'she' God.

Had your brain bleached with meds and you forgot everything except that you're God.

I probably would not know, if this had actually happened, right "atla"?

I assume you don't work so you're a parasite on society. You are a lesser kind of 'evil'.

And, once again, "atla" as I always suggest to you, do not let your assumptions get in the way of obtaining the FULL and actual True Picture, hey "atla"?

Also, so what if I do not work, does this make me lesser than you, in your view?

How about you stop pretending that you're effing God or that God is talking through you.

But I am not pretending.

Why do you assume or believe that I am pretending here?

How about you stop pretending all this mental existence bullshit and stop pretending that you've seen humanity's harmonious future.

Why do you keep insisting or believing that I am pretending?

How about you stop pretending that these 'ACTUAL TRUTHS' aren't just your fucked up beliefs and hallucinations.

Why do you not question and/or challenge me over these?

Once you're no longer insane, maybe they will one day take you off meds and maybe you can do something better with your life.

Okay.

But just maybe hey "atla"?

[Atla]

So, to "atla", it is 'I' who no longer has absolutely any idea about absolutely any thing at all.


So, according to "atla" 'I' now think that 'I' am female gendered 'she' God.


I probably would not know, if this had actually happened, right "atla"?


And, once again, "atla" as I always suggest to you, do not let your assumptions get in the way of obtaining the FULL and actual True Picture, hey "atla"?

Also, so what if I do not work, does this make me lesser than you, in your view?

How about you stop pretending that you're effing God or that God is talking through you.

But I am not pretending.

Why do you assume or believe that I am pretending here?

How about you stop pretending all this mental existence bullshit and stop pretending that you've seen humanity's harmonious future.

Why do you keep insisting or believing that I am pretending?

How about you stop pretending that these 'ACTUAL TRUTHS' aren't just your fucked up beliefs and hallucinations.

Why do you not question and/or challenge me over these?

Once you're no longer insane, maybe they will one day take you off meds and maybe you can do something better with your life.

Okay.

But just maybe hey "atla"?

Why can't you exist without pretending that you're God? Are you truly that weak?

[Age]

How about you stop pretending that you're effing God or that God is talking through you.

But I am not pretending.

Why do you assume or believe that I am pretending here?

How about you stop pretending all this mental existence bullshit and stop pretending that you've seen humanity's harmonious future.

Why do you keep insisting or believing that I am pretending?

How about you stop pretending that these 'ACTUAL TRUTHS' aren't just your fucked up beliefs and hallucinations.

Why do you not question and/or challenge me over these?

Once you're no longer insane, maybe they will one day take you off meds and maybe you can do something better with your life.

Okay.

But just maybe hey "atla"?

Why can't you exist without pretending that you're God? Are you truly that weak?

But who says and claims that I am pretending that I am God?

[Atla]

But I am not pretending.

Why do you assume or believe that I am pretending here?


Why do you keep insisting or believing that I am pretending?


Why do you not question and/or challenge me over these?


Okay.

But just maybe hey "atla"?

Why can't you exist without pretending that you're God? Are you truly that weak?

But who says and claims that I am pretending that I am God?

People who aren't pretending what you're pretending.

[promethean75]

"Is it possible that you jumped to some sort of conclusion here, based on just a few words I wrote"

Pay attention, Forrest. A year ago when i joined this forum, that dumb bitch from ILP ran over here to tell everyone i was a sex offender. When all the rubbernecks here were like omg omg what did u do, i explained in great detail what happened.

And i remember going back and forth with u, specifically, about three of four times. And now here u are getting it all wrong, again.

Notice how u use the term 'children'. U could have said 'teenagers', but that doesn't sound as bad... and u need it to sound as bad as possible.

I've also explained countless times that there is no freewill, and therefore no 'blame', so i wouldn't be able to 'blame' the 'children' for anything. But even supposing i did believe in freewill and that it was real, i still wouldn't 'blame' the 'children' for what happened unless they put a gun to my head, moron.

So here's what we got: a guy has an erotic encounter with three teenage girls at everyone's consent (except for the ugly fat one)... but what REALLY happened was a guy got caught jackin off in front of three CHILDREN who he then BLAMES for the encounter.

Do us all a favor and stop trying to understand what happened, yeah? Subtract it from your brain permanently.

And go play the twenty questions game with the other idiots here instead of me. U sound like a half-wit Socrates with OCD.

[promethean75]

See now i feel bad for being mean to a retard. But goddamn man you're crimpin my style.

The hard truth is, someone like u shouldn't be allowed to try to understand someone like me. Your brain will explode.

[Age]

Why can't you exist without pretending that you're God? Are you truly that weak?

But who says and claims that I am pretending that I am God?

People who aren't pretending what you're pretending.

How many people, besides just you "atla"?

[Atla]

But who says and claims that I am pretending that I am God?

People who aren't pretending what you're pretending.

How many people, besides just you "atla"?

Over 7 billion. They would probably even lock you up in India.

[Age]

"Is it possible that you jumped to some sort of conclusion here, based on just a few words I wrote"

Pay attention, Forrest. A year ago when i joined this forum, that dumb bitch from ILP ran over here to tell everyone i was a sex offender. When all the rubbernecks here were like omg omg what did u do, i explained in great detail what happened.

I have absolutely no idea nor clue as to who you are talking about, nor to what they told.

I have only gone off of what you, "yourself", have said and claimed.

And i remember going back and forth with u, specifically, about three of four times. And now here u are getting it all wrong, again.

What have I supposedly got all wrong, again, here now?

Notice how u use the term 'children'.

Yes. I did this specifically.

U could have said 'teenagers', but that doesn't sound as bad... and u need it to sound as bad as possible.

I do not need to do anything.

Until a human being becomes an adult they are, a child. Well, to me, anyway.

I've also explained countless times that there is no freewill, and therefore no 'blame', so i wouldn't be able to 'blame' the 'children' for anything.

But one just has to look at the actual words that you, "yourself", have used to see how you blamed those children, and especially that child.

Anyway, why do you want to discuss 'this' here now?

Are you ever going to answer, and clarify, the actual question I posed, and asked you, for clarification?

But even supposing i did believe in freewill and that it was real, i still wouldn't 'blame' the 'children' for what happened unless they put a gun to my head, moron.

But your words clearly show and express otherwise.

you, however, could not help doing and saying what you have anyway right, even if what you said and wrote clearly blamed the children for what you had absolutely no control at all over in doing.

So here's what we got: a guy has an erotic encounter with three teenage girls at everyone's consent (except for the ugly fat one)...

So, are you here suggesting that it was alright for you to masturbate in front of a child, or even an under legal age teenager, without their consent, as long as they are an ugly and/or fat one?

Also, how and why did you even want to have a so-called erotic encounter with a so-called fat and ugly under legal age teenager, or in other words with a child, who call and claim was an ugly fat one?

but what REALLY happened was a guy got caught jackin off in front of three CHILDREN who he then BLAMES for the encounter.

Okay, if you say so.

Do us all a favor and stop trying to understand what happened, yeah?

Are you still not yet comprehending and understanding here?

I never once tried to understand what happened, back then.

I just asked you a clarifying question, to gain an understanding, of why you believe that others do not yet know what is happening here but you believe that you supposedly do here? Which, once more, what you were referring to and talking about had absolutely nothing at all to do with what happened with you and those three children.

Subtract it from your brain permanently.

Well it is you who has not shut up about 'it' here, in this post of yours.

And go play the twenty questions game with the other idiots here instead of me.

What other idiots?

And who and/or what exactly does the 'other' word here refer to, exactly?

U sound like a half-wit Socrates with OCD.

Okay.

And, you appear to have completely and utterly missed exactly what took place here. Which, some see as very funny, considering that it was actually you who said and stated, 'give him five minutes with me, and I'll show u (and him) how he hasn't a clue what's going on ...'.

Do you reckon you have had about five minutes with me here, by now?

[Age]

See now i feel bad for being mean to a retard.

But I never felt, nor even saw, any actual meanness here, from you.

Were you trying to be?

But goddamn man you're crimpin my style.

Have you still not yet noticed that you have not yet even recognized and responded to what I actually brought and was actually pointing out and showing here, exactly?

The hard truth is, someone like u shouldn't be allowed to try to understand someone like me. Your brain will explode.

If only you knew "promethean75". If only you knew.