The USA and Israel

[Age]

So according to the fuckheads on here, nothing happened on the 7th of October. It was all fake. No rapes. No torture. Nothing. All those people are still alive. It was all just a big conspiracy by Israel to...what?...

Why do you think you jump from one, to the other, which some refer to as black and white thinking?

The reason is obvious, but I am just wondering if:

1. you have even considered why you are doing this here?

2. you have even noticed that you are doing this here?

3. you have done 1. and 2. then what answer did you arrive at, if any?

To me, something happened on that date. But why the actual things that actually did happen on that day are very, very understandable, anyway.

[vegetariantaxidermy]

I define 'proof' in the case of rape, the exact same as I define 'proof' in the case of absolutely everything else.

And how is that?

Establishing to be True.

So, for example, if one claims there has been 'rape', then during the process of establishing that this claim is True there is 'proof', and if the claim is established to be True, then the claim of rape, in this case, is proved True.

Until then I just always remain OPEN, and even after then I still remain OPEN.

And, how 'proof' is ascertained is just another very simple and very easy process.

What does proof of rape look like? Oh never mind. You are insane. Go back into your box. Everyone else ignores you anyway.

[Age]

And how is that?

Establishing to be True.

So, for example, if one claims there has been 'rape', then during the process of establishing that this claim is True there is 'proof', and if the claim is established to be True, then the claim of rape, in this case, is proved True.

Until then I just always remain OPEN, and even after then I still remain OPEN.

And, how 'proof' is ascertained is just another very simple and very easy process.

What does proof of rape look like?

The exact same as 'proof' for anything else.

Now, how to ascertain if 'rape' has actually occurred or not is a very easy and very simple process.

Oh never mind.

Once again, once one is getting closer to the actual Truth of things they prefer to run away, and hide, instead.

But this is just because of the irrational fear they have of the so-called 'unknown'.

You are insane.

Okay. If you say and believe so, then this must be the actual truth, correct?

Go back into your box.

What box are you referring to, exactly?

Everyone else ignores you anyway.

Okay. Again, if you say and believe so, then this must be so.

Just like you believe you know, exactly, what happened on a particular date, in the past, on a particular parcel of land, in which you were not even there, right?

[Alexis Jacobi]

Mass rape (etc.) by Hamas now reported to be doubtful.

NYT’s reporting (which I trusted) now put in doubt.

How about just using your fucking brain for once instead of depending on youtube videos.

My brain, my second favorite super-grump ultra-granny, does not determine what happened, or didn’t happen, on 7 October. Investigative journalism should do that work. There is no other source for us.

The NYTs presented an exposé that had all the appearance of solid journalism but now has been drawn into question.

That we cannot trust information sources, apparently any, my moronic sourpuss, is the reason we should be troubled.

Additionally, we are still in the dark about what did or didn’t happen. Yet this information is vital.

I am sadly fining you US$299.00 for your idiotic post. Interest rates are very high so pay up cheapskate. And watch your tongue. My patience is running thin.

[vegetariantaxidermy]

There's no 'proof' that Russians committed mass rapes on German women. 'Odd' that people have just accepted this as historical fact. I mean, it's such an uncharacteristic thing for men to do in a mob frenzy.
There's no 'proof' that people were gassed in concentration camps. No video footage of people gasping for their last breath inside the gas chambers. Even if there were such video footage, that's not 'proof'. Videos aren't 'proof'. It could be 'fake news'. Faked videos. Faked confessions. No 'proof' that WW1 or WW11 ever happened at all in fact. There were no moon landings (no 'proof'). The Roman empire is just a made up story. Nothing has ever happened in the history of planet earth. What 'proof' is there that we even exist? What's the point in anything?

[vegetariantaxidermy]

Speaking of idiots who don't (choose not to) understand the concept of evidence like bodies, forensics, eye witness reports, videos, body cam footage, open acknowledgement/boasting by the perpetrators, missing people etc. etc. etc. etc.......
what do they make of the 'Loch Ness Monster'? I see that the first 'sighting' was in 1871. Are we expected to believe that this 'prehistoric monster' is immortal, and if not then it must have had a mate and produced young, in which case the Loch should be teeming with monsters by now.
And again, even though people have ADMITTED that the most famous photos were hoaxes, and explained how they did it, people STILL want to believe it--just like the crop circles. Unbelievable. How boring are their lives exactly? With modern DNA testing there is also the fact that the DNA of an unknown creature would show up in the water. It hasn't. PLUS, there's not enough food in the water to sustain a creature of that size.
Loch Ness is only 15 thousand years old, yet there's supposed to be a creature living in it that became extinct 65 million years ago? How does THAT work? It would be like people claiming that a T Rex is living in the Amazon rainforest.



Typical dumb yanks think that whether or not something is true is dependent on who is saying it.

[Age]

There's no 'proof' that Russians committed mass rapes on German women. 'Odd' that people have just accepted this as historical fact. I mean, it's such an uncharacteristic thing for men to do in a mob frenzy.
There's no 'proof' that people were gassed in concentration camps. No video footage of people gasping for their last breath inside the gas chambers. Even if there were such video footage, that's not 'proof'. Videos aren't 'proof'. It could be 'fake news'. Faked videos. Faked confessions. No 'proof' that WW1 or WW11 ever happened at all in fact. There were no moon landings (no 'proof'). The Roman empire is just a made up story. Nothing has ever happened in the history of planet earth.

If these things are what you believe is true, then these must be true, right?

What 'proof' is there that we even exist?

The different thoughts within different heads/bodies.

What's the point in anything?

Whatever 'point' you give them.

[Alexis Jacobi]

Loch Ness is only 15 thousand years old, yet there's supposed to be a creature living in it that became extinct 65 million years ago? How does THAT work?

Obviously, this is clear evidence of a complex of underlake subterranean passages that connect to a primordial sea.

[Age]

Speaking of idiots who don't (choose not to) understand the concept of evidence like bodies, forensics, eye witness reports, videos, body cam footage, open acknowledgement/boasting by the perpetrators, missing people etc. etc. etc. etc.......

Is there anyone here who does not understand the concept of evidence, or chooses not to understand the concept of evidence?

If yes, then who are they exactly?

And, what proof do you have for your claim here?

what do they make of the 'Loch Ness Monster'?

Why do you not ask them personally.

I see that the first 'sighting' was in 1871. Are we expected to believe that this 'prehistoric monster' is immortal, and if not then it must have had a mate and produced young, in which case the Loch should be teeming with monsters by now.

Some think this is a funny thing to introduce into a thread about the so-called "united states of america" and "israel". But, you may be leading to showing how they relate.

And again, even though people have ADMITTED that the most famous photos were hoaxes, and explained how they did it, people STILL want to believe it--just like the crop circles.

And just like you have chosen to believe somethings are true also.

Unbelievable.

If you say so.

How boring are their lives exactly?

Why do you not ask them, personally?

With modern DNA testing there is also the fact that the DNA of an unknown creature would show up in the water. It hasn't. PLUS, there's not enough food in the water to sustain a creature of that size.

And you, personally, know this how, exactly?

Loch Ness is only 15 thousand years old, yet there's supposed to be a creature living in it that became extinct 65 million years ago?

Are you asking or telling?

your use of the question mark is inconsistent with your statement.

How does THAT work?

What does this, or that, have anything to do with the topic title here?

It would be like people claiming that a T Rex is living in the Amazon rainforest.

Okay.

[Alexis Jacobi]

NYTs “weaponized” its story about sexual violence by Hamas.

[vegetariantaxidermy]

Nothing happened on October 7. All those people are still alive. It was a huge conspiracy to....what? Stir up sympathy for Israel? Gee. That worked out REALLY well didn't it? Everything is just as it was. Hamas never invaded Israel. All the body cam footage was faked. Hamas would never rape women--it goes against the koran. Men just don't do that kind of thing, especially not when they are full of hate and testosterone and have weapons and the women have nothing to defend themselves with. They would never kill anyone either, especially not the weak and vulnerable. They were pillars of pious virtue. Just having a little picnic with them.
It was all just a huge fake conspiracy to serve no discernible purpose whatsoever. Hamas was working 'with' Israel, hence the faked footage from Hamas. There have been no bombings in Gaza. It's all AI generated images. Peace reigns. Phew. That's a relief. I can get a good night's sleep now without thinking about children being burned alive. Israel and Hamas are conspriring together, to pretend to the rest of the world that they are enemies when in fact they are the best of friends. It's their little secret.

[phyllo]

Nothing happened on October 7. All those people are still alive.

It's not all or nothing.

It's not "everything that Israel supporters claim happened" or "nothing happened".

It's not "everything that Hamas supporters claim happened" or "nothing happened".

It's not "everything that Israel supporters claim happened" or "everything that Hamas supporters claim happened".

People are mistaken, people lie, people embellish.

Somewhere in there is the truth of what actually happened. And we have to sift though the evidence and testimony to find it.

Men just don't do that kind of thing, especially not when they are full of hate and testosterone and have weapons and the women have nothing to defend themselves with. They would never kill anyone either, especially not the weak and vulnerable.

It's not a question of what men could do or what men have done at times.

It's a question of what men did do at that one particular place and time.

[vegetariantaxidermy]

Btw, I invoked Occam's razor. My explanation is far simpler and more logical than the one that says Hamas committed atrocities against people in Israel and Israel reacted accordingly. Hence, my explanation is correct. It's far more logical. Now the nice men are telling me it's time to go back into my straight jacket.

[vegetariantaxidermy]

Nothing happened on October 7. All those people are still alive.

It's not all or nothing.

It's not "everything that Israel supporters claim happened" or "nothing happened".

It's not "everything that Hamas supporters claim happened" or "nothing happened".

It's not "everything that Israel supporters claim happened" or "everything that Hamas supporters claim happened".

People are mistaken, people lie, people embellish.

Somewhere in there is the truth of what actually happened. And we have to sift though the evidence and testimony to find it.

Men just don't do that kind of thing, especially not when they are full of hate and testosterone and have weapons and the women have nothing to defend themselves with. They would never kill anyone either, especially not the weak and vulnerable.

It's not a question of what men could do or what men have done at times.

It's a question of what men did do at that one particular place and time.

I tend to go with the scenario that has eye-witness reports, photos, bodyocam footage, admission and boasting by the perpetrators, and logic and reason in its corner. Call me old fashioned.
What is your scenario for 'what happened'? Please share. Are you saying that 'something' happened on 7 October? Please take us through it.

Since (presumably) you weren't there, then you really have no choice but to go with the (clearly faked) eyewitness reports, admissions, videocam footage, photos, missing person reports, bodies, forensic reports, coroners' reports, footage of hostages being released (obviously actors).......All fake. What is the world coming to when fakery is so clever that it is mimicking facts, evidence, logic and reason so perfectly? What can we do about this?

[Age]

Btw, I invoked Occam's razor. My explanation is far simpler and more logical than the one that says Hamas committed atrocities against people in Israel and Israel reacted accordingly.

Please explain how dropping bombs on the heads of children is 'reacted accordingly'. exactly?

What does the word 'accordingly' even mean, to you?

And, how does that definition fit in with the killing of innocents, and innocent children of all things?

Hence, my explanation is correct. It's far more logical. Now the nice men are telling me it's time to go back into my straight jacket.