The USA and Israel

[bahman]

Not necessarily so "wise." It tells us about the problem, but has no solution.

It is also a solution if both parties understand and submit to it.

Hamas will not. You could try the Israelis, but so long as Hamas will not, they cannot either.

So let them suffer!

[Immanuel Can]

It is also a solution if both parties understand and submit to it.

Hamas will not. You could try the Israelis, but so long as Hamas will not, they cannot either.

So let them suffer!

Without a solution, that's what is happening. But you have no solution, and nobody else has proposed one that works either. So that is what is happening.

But now I can't see what you're complaining about. You're getting exactly what your lack of a solution would lead you to expect.

[bahman]

Hamas will not. You could try the Israelis, but so long as Hamas will not, they cannot either.

So let them suffer!

Without a solution, that's what is happening. But you have no solution, and nobody else has proposed one that works either. So that is what is happening.

But now I can't see what you're complaining about. You're getting exactly what your lack of a solution would lead you to expect.

War has been an unavoidable thing in the history of humans. What is the reason? Stupidity.

[Immanuel Can]

So let them suffer!

Without a solution, that's what is happening. But you have no solution, and nobody else has proposed one that works either. So that is what is happening.

But now I can't see what you're complaining about. You're getting exactly what your lack of a solution would lead you to expect.

War has been an unavoidable thing in the history of humans. What is the reason? Stupidity.

How does that help us in the case of Israel and Hamas?

We call both sides "stupid," do we? And we pretend that both the perpetrators who started and kept the thing going, and the people who were forced into a war and then can't get out of it are morally and intellectually equal?

And that's supposed to help the situation?

[bahman]

Without a solution, that's what is happening. But you have no solution, and nobody else has proposed one that works either. So that is what is happening.

But now I can't see what you're complaining about. You're getting exactly what your lack of a solution would lead you to expect.

War has been an unavoidable thing in the history of humans. What is the reason? Stupidity.

How does that help us in the case of Israel and Hamas?

We call both sides "stupid," do we? And we pretend that both the perpetrators who started and kept the thing going, and the people who were forced into a war and then can't get out of it are morally and intellectually equal?

And that's supposed to help the situation?

Solution? Elect a wise leader as a wise leader never starts a war. People choose unwise leaders. Why? Because they are unwise as well. Proper education is what we need.

[phyllo]

I asked Bing Chat with GPT-4.

What is the solution to the Gaza war?

The Gaza war is a complex and ongoing conflict between Israel and Hamas, the militant group that controls the Gaza Strip. There is no simple or definitive answer to what the solution to the Gaza war is, as different parties have different interests, demands, and perspectives on the situation. However, some possible steps that could contribute to a peaceful resolution are:

A lasting and comprehensive ceasefire that ends the violence and allows humanitarian aid to reach the civilians in Gaza.
A political dialogue that addresses the root causes of the conflict, such as the Israeli occupation, the blockade of Gaza, the Palestinian division, and the status of Jerusalem.
A regional and international involvement that supports the peace process and holds the parties accountable for their actions and commitments.
A reconstruction and development plan that rebuilds the infrastructure and economy of Gaza and improves the living conditions of its people.
These are some of the ideas that have been proposed by various actors, such as the United Nations1, the Arab League2, and the Center for Strategic and International Studies3. However, they also face many challenges and obstacles, such as the lack of trust and willingness to compromise, the influence of external actors, the internal divisions and instability, and the human rights violations and war crimes. Therefore, the solution to the Gaza war requires a sustained and collective effort from all sides to end the cycle of violence and achieve a just and lasting peace.

[bahman]

I asked Bing Chat with GPT-4.

What is the solution to the Gaza war?

The Gaza war is a complex and ongoing conflict between Israel and Hamas, the militant group that controls the Gaza Strip. There is no simple or definitive answer to what the solution to the Gaza war is, as different parties have different interests, demands, and perspectives on the situation. However, some possible steps that could contribute to a peaceful resolution are:

A lasting and comprehensive ceasefire that ends the violence and allows humanitarian aid to reach the civilians in Gaza.
A political dialogue that addresses the root causes of the conflict, such as the Israeli occupation, the blockade of Gaza, the Palestinian division, and the status of Jerusalem.
A regional and international involvement that supports the peace process and holds the parties accountable for their actions and commitments.
A reconstruction and development plan that rebuilds the infrastructure and economy of Gaza and improves the living conditions of its people.
These are some of the ideas that have been proposed by various actors, such as the United Nations1, the Arab League2, and the Center for Strategic and International Studies3. However, they also face many challenges and obstacles, such as the lack of trust and willingness to compromise, the influence of external actors, the internal divisions and instability, and the human rights violations and war crimes. Therefore, the solution to the Gaza war requires a sustained and collective effort from all sides to end the cycle of violence and achieve a just and lasting peace.

Interesting! An AI is wiser than people!

[phyllo]

Interesting! An AI is wiser than people!

The AI just reflects what people have been writing. It's a mirror.

[bahman]

Interesting! An AI is wiser than people!

The AI just reflects what people have been writing. It's a mirror.

Why AI didn't reflect Israelis' or the Gazans' opinions?

[promethean75]

Lol that gpt-4 basically just analyzed everything it's read on the internet about the conflict, isolated what content in that reading pertained to your question type 'solution', and then wrote a brief synopsis of that material.

Ask Hal if Hamas is safe from the iron dome if they fly in on motorized paragliders.

[Dubious]

Indeed it would be ….

Good, you agree. I also thought my assertion was reasonable.

Now the question is about Palestinians supporting the military attack tactics of Hamas, or not. And my impression is that there is a culture of support of that violent militancy. As well as pride. And I’ve also got the impression that the so-called Arab street responds favorably to violent, militant actions.

It remains to be seen how Gazans react to the intensity of Israel’s counter attack.

Some additional food for thought, Señor Grumpy:

Am I just grumpy, or is it something else?

Perhaps you could avoid — or delay? — posting here when that characteristic bitchiness has a grip on you? Do you feel any better, I mean really? when you lose your cool and erupt?

Nothing personal, but I find everything about you thoroughly obnoxious and somewhat two-faced, layered with a kind of saccharin superiority.

Call it grumpy or bitchiness or whatever you please, but I really can't stand you.

If I received this kind of message, I'd make every effort to stay away from that person. Communicate with those who want to communicate with you. I'm clearly not one you'd want to correspond with!

I can't make it anymore clear or direct than that.

In effect, hint, hint, may this be a permanent Auf Wiedersehen!

[phyllo]

Interesting! An AI is wiser than people!

The AI just reflects what people have been writing. It's a mirror.

Why AI didn't reflect Israelis' or the Gazans' opinions?

The extreme one-sided binary positions do not represent what the majority of people think.

They don't think that only Hamas is to blame or that only Israel is to blame.

Or that the simple solution is that Hamas surrenders and the Palestinians submit to the will of the Israel government.

[phyllo]

Lol that gpt-4 basically just analyzed everything it's read on the internet about the conflict, isolated what content in that reading pertained to your question type 'solution', and then wrote a brief synopsis of that material.

Ask Hal if Hamas is safe from the iron dome if they fly in on motorized paragliders.

Isn't that the solution?

Seriously.

As reasoned out by a variety of intelligent people?

The solution isn't ... destroy all buildings and infrastructure in Gaza and force the Palestinians to leave. Is it?

[Alexis Jacobi]

Call it grumpy or bitchiness or whatever you please ….

Bitchiness fits the best now that I’ve thought it through.

[promethean75]

"The solution isn't ... destroy all buildings and infrastructure in Gaza and force the Palestinians to leave. Is it?"

Ew hold up. Hmm. That's interesting. Notice how only people would suggest that as a possible solution, but not Hal. Why is that.

First, nobody and nothing could know if that would solve the problem. We can't see into the future. Why then would a person offer that as a solution but not Hal? Becuz Hal is incapable of the prejudice that humans have that effects their judgement in problem solving, right?

Person: blow the sonsabitches up! That oughta solve it!

Hal, on the other hand, while being able to speculate like a human - yeah blowing up one of the teams might end the conflict - wouldn't suggest that approach. Why not?

Is Hal just programmed to avoid violent language of the sort, or is he really a good dude who wants a nonviolent solution even tho he can speculate that blowing one or the other up could very well end the conflict.

Discuss.