Divine Etymology Argument

[Peter Kropotkin]

Mr Kropotkin? HELL_O ? Still waiting for you to provide a reasonable reply..instead of the ad hominem drivel below..

the problem, among many other things, is that your ''piece'' is
not rational, is not reasonable, is not logical... it is mysticism based
on letters and numbers.... not unlike Jewish Kabbalah....
where a letter or a number is found to have mystical properties...
and that isn't philosophy...and that isn't being rational....

and the underlining ''fact'' that runs through the entire piece is that
god is already a given... that isn't philosophy, that is theology...
and for me, the worst part is that you haven't proven a thing...
it is a whole lot of mumbo jumbo that is incoherent babbling...
it isn't much different than finding a penny on the ground and then
saying, see, that proves, PROVES that god exists.... it is just
a penny.... nothing more...it is taking numbers and giving them
attributes that logically or rationally, don't lie within that number.....

a number 10, is my favorite number, has mystical properties because
it is my favorite number...the number 10 proves that god exists.....
at that point, you are no longer rational, logical, reasonable or
objective.. now how is one supposed to give a ''reasonable'' response
to something that isn't reasonable, isn't logical, isn't rational,
but is basically mysticism, and mysticism of the worse kind...

Explain what is irrational here?:

Statistical Improbability supporting P1:

The letters within the English alphabet are very interesting with regards to their phonetics that are identical to the sounds of words.
A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I, J, K, L, M, N, O, P, Q, R, S, T, U, V, W, X, Y, Z.

Examples are (and not limited to):
Y = WHY
O = OWE
U = YOU

Statistically, the likelihood of any of these being mere coincidences is extremely remote.
With approximately 170,000 words in current use within the Oxford English Dictionary and 22 words phonetically identical to letters, the odds of, for instance, Y being equal to WHY are calculated at:

1 in 7,692 or 0.00013 (0.013%)

But of course, the odds are far more remote than even that. Y for example could sound like anything that our larynx is capable of resonating.

K: let me tell you a story... when I was a kid, back in the 60's, a new wave of
teaching spelling came into being... instead of spelling something, one
used Phonetics to learn how to spell.... which is great, if you can hear...
but what about us who cannot hear? I was born with a hearing loss,
and spelling things out phonetically didn't help me at all..... to this day,
I still can't spell out things... what about your idea of phonetics, which
is dependent on being able to hear...which I can't.... your idea doesn't do me
or anyone who is hearing impaired or deaf, as I am now.. any good.....
it is senses dependent... having a sense which to identify your idea...
so, one might say, reading is the path to god... but that then depends
on someone being able to read.. which counts out the blind, those who
have dyslexia, are quite often unable to read..... if that is the path to god,
is it forbidden to those who are unable to read?

that you are even unable to see how your idea's are mystical, doesn't
bode well for you..... your need for god, has blinded you to holding onto
mystical ideas.. which you can't even see....

I think the best description of where you are is this: you are a blind man...
and I am a sighted one who is trying to describe the color red to you.....
you will never have an idea what red is, until you are sighted... and you are,
as with all people fixated on god, blind to the possibilities of life without a god....

now your counter argument will be that I am blind, without the possibilities
of seeing what god does... nah, I searched for god for over 40 years.....
and my life became much easier and simpler, once I dropped the idea of
god...a great weight came off of my shoulders... once I dropped the idea
of god... my life became, in many ways, better......and given where I am
today, I wouldn't change that for anything.... belief in god, creates problems
and complications that I have no need for...
I don't have to hold on to weird and random beliefs like your theory, to
keep a faith in god... your theory is so complicated, that it actually
brings one closer to denying god, rather than to accepting god...

now as I can see I will never make you happy with my answers,
I will now close this conversation... if you want to take the victory lap,
sure, go for it.... I am no longer really interested in this because you
simply cannot understand the very basic point of how mystical your
idea's actually are....if you can't see that, I really, really, really can't help you.....
and no amount of answers from me will allow you to ''see'' this....your beliefs
are irrational and mystical, same thing......and you just can't see this to
save your life....


Kropotkin

[Veritas Aequitas]

K: let me tell you a story... when I was a kid, back in the 60's, a new wave of
teaching spelling came into being... instead of spelling something, one
used Phonetics to learn how to spell.... which is great, if you can hear...
but what about us who cannot hear? I was born with a hearing loss,
and spelling things out phonetically didn't help me at all..... to this day,
I still can't spell out things... what about your idea of phonetics, which
is dependent on being able to hear...which I can't.... your idea doesn't do me
or anyone who is hearing impaired or deaf, as I am now.. any good.....
it is senses dependent... having a sense which to identify your idea...
so, one might say, reading is the path to god... but that then depends
on someone being able to read.. which counts out the blind, those who
have dyslexia, are quite often unable to read..... if that is the path to god,
is it forbidden to those who are unable to read?

that you are even unable to see how your idea's are mystical, doesn't
bode well for you..... your need for god, has blinded you to holding onto
mystical ideas.. which you can't even see....

I think the best description of where you are is this: you are a blind man...
and I am a sighted one who is trying to describe the color red to you.....
you will never have an idea what red is, until you are sighted... and you are,
as with all people fixated on god, blind to the possibilities of life without a god....

now your counter argument will be that I am blind, without the possibilities
of seeing what god does... nah, I searched for god for over 40 years.....
and my life became much easier and simpler, once I dropped the idea of
god...a great weight came off of my shoulders... once I dropped the idea
of god... my life became, in many ways, better......and given where I am
today, I wouldn't change that for anything.... belief in god, creates problems
and complications that I have no need for...
I don't have to hold on to weird and random beliefs like your theory, to
keep a faith in god... your theory is so complicated, that it actually
brings one closer to denying god, rather than to accepting god...

now as I can see I will never make you happy with my answers,
I will now close this conversation... if you want to take the victory lap,
sure, go for it.... I am no longer really interested in this because you
simply cannot understand the very basic point of how mystical your
idea's actually are....if you can't see that, I really, really, really can't help you.....
and no amount of answers from me will allow you to ''see'' this....your beliefs
are irrational and mystical, same thing......and you just can't see this to
save your life....


Kropotkin

I agree with you on the above, esp.,

"I searched for god for over 40 years.....
and my life became much easier and simpler, once I dropped the idea of
god...a great weight came off of my shoulders... once I dropped the idea
of god... my life became, in many ways, better....."

The above is for the better, BUT the majority of people are stuck with the evolutionary default that lead them to an ideology of reifying an illusory entity beyond reality as very real; that is necessary to soothe the unavoidable inherent existential crisis within.

Since there is no better immediate alternatives at present, it is OK for the majority to believe in a God [even it is illusory and fictional] to soothe their existential crisis, but they should not be dogmatic about and weave silly ideas like atto is doing above.
The worst of it is with certain religion where it is an evil ideology that catalyst already evil prone believers to commit terrible evil acts in the name of their God [A..].

[attofishpi]

..I searched for god for over 40 years.....

I agree with you on the above, esp., "I searched for god for over 40 years.....”

So?

So what are your philosophical point(s)?

That you both searched 4 God, didn’t find IT…thus, there is no God.

I could not give a flying fuck what you believe. I am not here as some “evangelist” insisting on taming your ways or insisting you follow some buy bull bollocks.

I wanted U to THINK…to comprehend, to challenge me with REASON.

All you have both done is provide ad hominem insults, “irrational doggy poop” etc..

Upon a “PHILOSOPHY” forum, I expect more.

I expect you to provide a reasonable counter to my argument. When and where you state that I am being “irrational” then I expect you to provide evidence of that from within my argument.

Neither of U have offered anything beyond ad hominem crap, certainly not worth_Y of philosophy.



U want a story about God from my POV? I DID NOT SEEK GOD, IT insisted I be tested by IT …since the year 1997 I have known God exists.

The TEST_A_MEN_T is rather testing ...

[Peter Kropotkin]

attofishpi:

''I could not give a flying fuck what you believe.''

K: and I rest my case.....

Kropotkin

[attofishpi]

attofishpi:

''I could not give a flying fuck what you believe.''

K: and I rest my case.....

Kropotkin

What case? You think the waffling drivel you provide was 'a case' !!

[Veritas Aequitas]

..I searched for god for over 40 years.....

I agree with you on the above, esp., "I searched for god for over 40 years.....”

So?
So what are your philosophical point(s)?
That you both searched 4 God, didn’t find IT…thus, there is no God.
I could not give a flying fuck what you believe. I am not here as some “evangelist” insisting on taming your ways or insisting you follow some buy bull bollocks.
I wanted U to THINK…to comprehend, to challenge me with REASON.
All you have both done is provide ad hominem insults, “irrational doggy poop” etc..
Upon a “PHILOSOPHY” forum, I expect more.
I expect you to provide a reasonable counter to my argument. When and where you state that I am being “irrational” then I expect you to provide evidence of that from within my argument.

Neither of U have offered anything beyond ad hominem crap, certainly not worth_Y of philosophy.

U want a story about God from my POV? I DID NOT SEEK GOD, IT insisted I be tested by IT …since the year 1997 I have known God exists.

The TEST_A_MEN_T is rather testing ...

That was what I did
"I wanted U to THINK…to comprehend, to challenge you with REASON."
I suggest you research the below to understand what is going on inside you.

I have already given you loads of clues [philosophical points] to REASON;

• 1. All humans are programmed to survive as long a possible till the inevitable.
  2. To facilitate the above,
  a. terrible fears are trigger upon any threat of death,
  b. there are the 4Fs,
  c. there is an inherent unavoidable existential crisis,
  d. there is the 'pattern seeking instinct" to facilitate dealing with the above
  d. others

What is the Pattern Seeking Instinct.

The phrase "the patterning instinct" refers to our innate tendency to identify patterns, connections, and relationships in the world around us.* This urge to find order in what seems like chaos has played an important role in human evolution by enabling us to:

Learn to adapt to our environment more effectively.
Develop language and communication skills.
Create social structures and cultural systems.
Understand complex systems and phenomena.
Solve problems and innovate new technologies.
Discover abstract principles and scientific theories.
Develop aesthetic values, create artistic works and traditions, and appreciate a wide range of artistic experiences.
https://www.cliffguren.com/articles/the ... creativity

See:
Pattern recognition (psychology)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pattern_r ... sychology)
In psychology and cognitive neuroscience, pattern recognition describes a cognitive process that matches information from a stimulus with information retrieved from memory.

In desperation to deal with "2c. there is an inherent unavoidable existential crisis," you bastardized the "patterning instinct" as a psychological perversion, i.e. "Apophenia" toward being delusional.

• Apophenia (/æpoʊˈfiːniə/) is the tendency to perceive meaningful connections between unrelated things.[1] The term (German: Apophänie from the Greek verb ἀποφαίνειν (apophaínein)) was coined by psychiatrist Klaus Conrad in his 1958 publication on the beginning stages of schizophrenia.[2]
  He defined it as "unmotivated seeing of connections [accompanied by] a specific feeling of abnormal meaningfulness".[3][4]
  He described the early stages of delusional thought as self-referential over-interpretations of actual sensory perceptions, as opposed to hallucinations.[1][5] Apophenia has also come to describe a human propensity to unreasonably seek definite patterns in random information,
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apophenia

Your form of Apophenia is Pareidolia

• Pareidolia
  A common example is the perception of a face within an inanimate object—the headlights and grill of an automobile may appear to be "grinning". People around the world see the "Man in the Moon".[8]
  People sometimes see the face of a religious figure in a piece of toast or in the grain of a piece of wood.
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pareidolia

I suggest you bite the bullet hard and research the above to understand what is going on inside you.

I believe it is critical for the present majority [not future] to believe [optimally] in a God [preferably a non-personal God] to soothe the inherent unavoidable existential crisis.
However, I take issue if theists insist their belief is absolutely true and certain and non-theists are to be condemned as fools and idiots.

[attofishpi]

As if I am going to read that shite.

The problem for you both, is that you don't possess logical analytical minds. (basically you are intellectually inept thus cannot comprehend the argument, nor the evidence).

So, anyone else feel like delving into the case I present?

[Veritas Aequitas]

Terms Related to Apophenia

Agenticity
In The Believing Brain (2011), Shermer wrote that humans have "the tendency to infuse patterns with meaning, intention, and agency", which he called agenticity.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apophenia#Related_terms

[Veritas Aequitas]

As if I am going to read that shite.

The problem for you both, is that you don't possess logical analytical minds. (basically you are intellectually inept thus cannot comprehend the argument, nor the evidence).

So, anyone else feel like delving into the case I present?

Ostrich!

[attofishpi]

Veritas, STOP WASTING OXYGEN.

[promethean75]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apophenia

[attofishpi]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apophenia

You're as daft as the other plonker brains..

ApoX my arse...explain how the below has come about as just some quirk coincidence of language, rather than evidence that there is an intelligence behind its construct:

Statistical Improbability supporting P1:

The letters within the English alphabet are very interesting with regards to their phonetics that are identical to the sounds of words.
A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I, J, K, L, M, N, O, P, Q, R, S, T, U, V, W, X, Y, Z.

Examples are (and not limited to):
Y = WHY
O = OWE
U = YOU

Statistically, the likelihood of any of these being mere coincidences is extremely remote.
With approximately 170,000 words in current use within the Oxford English Dictionary and 22 words phonetically identical to letters, the odds of, for instance, Y being equal to WHY are calculated at:

1 in 7,692 or 0.00013 (0.013%)

But of course, the odds are far more remote than even that. Y for example could sound like anything that our larynx is capable of resonating.

[promethean75]

your theory is lingocentric and claims that god has given special precedence to the english language.

this theory is racist and full of hatred and contempt. i cannot accept it.

p.s. i didn't even see that Vaporized Apricots suggested apophenia for your FSK already. my bad.

[attofishpi]

your theory is lingocentric and claims that god has given special precedence to the english language.

English IS the default language of planet Earth.

this theory is racist and full of hatred and contempt. i cannot accept it.

U appear to insist on being a total imbecile where and when actual philosophy is required.

[nemos]

English IS the default language of planet Earth.

It seems that before World War II, Germany, which was not English speaking at all, was considered the center of philosophy and science. And after the war, many outstanding German scientists began working for other countries in the United States as well. Therefore, such an uncompromising accent on the English language (in the specific case) may indicate a rather narrow (limited) angle of vision.