Evolution, God made or an accident

[bahman]

What is a ''supernatural intervention''?

An intervention in how the natural world evolves.

What is a supernatural intervention?

An intervention of a deity in the evolution of the natural world.

[Dontaskme]

An intervention in how the natural world evolves.

What is a supernatural intervention?

An intervention of a deity in the evolution of the natural world.

But why assume there is such an entity who intervenes in the natural world, when you already know you cannot know of any such deity?
Do you just like playing with imagined things as though they were real in your story you are telling others about?

[Dontaskme]

I am arguing that it could exist.

So you are arguing for something that could exist that you will never know about, ok. What's the point in that?

The point is that you cannot have confirmed proof of the existence of God. In other words, all arguments against or in favor of the existence of God are invalid.

So you are talking about imagined entities, ok I understand that.

[Dontaskme]

because you already know you'll never know...that is what I am trying to figure out.

Begin with figuring out why you make huge assumptions like that, about who knows and who doesn't, about who will know and who will not know.

And as was already noted, you can also work on figuring out why you play with words rather than philosopize with meaning.

For the same reason you do. Go figure.

[bahman]

What is a supernatural intervention?

An intervention of a deity in the evolution of the natural world.

But why assume there is such an entity who intervenes in the natural world, when you already know you cannot know of any such deity?
Do you just like playing with imagined things as though they were real in your story you are telling others about?

The point is there is a huge debate about evolution between theists and atheists. I am saying that both parties are wrong in the sense that evolution is not a precise practice so one cannot use it to make an argument against or in favor of God, creation, and the like.

[bahman]

So you are arguing for something that could exist that you will never know about, ok. What's the point in that?

The point is that you cannot have confirmed proof of the existence of God. In other words, all arguments against or in favor of the existence of God are invalid.

So you are talking about imagined entities, ok I understand that.

I am saying that these imagined entities may exist or may not.

[Dontaskme]

An intervention of a deity in the evolution of the natural world.

But why assume there is such an entity who intervenes in the natural world, when you already know you cannot know of any such deity?
Do you just like playing with imagined things as though they were real in your story you are telling others about?

The point is there is a huge debate about evolution between theists and atheists. I am saying that both parties are wrong in the sense that evolution is not a precise practice so one cannot use it to make an argument against or in favor of God, creation, and the like.

No one is wrong about their own belief, if that's what they strongly believe to be real and true. There is No force on earth, that I know of anyway, that could ever take away someone else's firmly held belief, it would be like taking away their life, and I'm sure they are not going to allow anyone to take what is theirs that they will no doubt defend to their deathbed.

[Dontaskme]

I am saying that these imagined entities may exist or may not.

Well I guess if you can imagine something to exist, then it will obviously exist for you. Once you have imagined something to exist, you cannot unimagine what you have already imagined to exist can you?

[bahman]

But why assume there is such an entity who intervenes in the natural world, when you already know you cannot know of any such deity?
Do you just like playing with imagined things as though they were real in your story you are telling others about?

The point is there is a huge debate about evolution between theists and atheists. I am saying that both parties are wrong in the sense that evolution is not a precise practice so one cannot use it to make an argument against or in favor of God, creation, and the like.

No one is wrong about their own belief, if that's what they strongly believe to be real and true. There is No force on earth, that I know of anyway, that could ever take away someone else's firmly held belief, it would be like taking away their life, and I'm sure they are not going to allow anyone to take what is theirs that they will no doubt defend to their deathbed.

A belief could be right or wrong. For some ideas such as God, life after death, and the like, we face them to be sure they are true.

[bahman]

I am saying that these imagined entities may exist or may not.

Well I guess if you can imagine something to exist, then it will obviously exist for you. Once you have imagined something to exist, you cannot unimagine what you have already imagined to exist can you?

Reality could be different from what I imagine.

[Dontaskme]

I am saying that these imagined entities may exist or may not.

Well I guess if you can imagine something to exist, then it will obviously exist for you. Once you have imagined something to exist, you cannot unimagine what you have already imagined to exist can you?

Reality could be different from what I imagine.

Only if that's what you imagine.

[Dontaskme]

The point is there is a huge debate about evolution between theists and atheists. I am saying that both parties are wrong in the sense that evolution is not a precise practice so one cannot use it to make an argument against or in favor of God, creation, and the like.

No one is wrong about their own belief, if that's what they strongly believe to be real and true. There is No force on earth, that I know of anyway, that could ever take away someone else's firmly held belief, it would be like taking away their life, and I'm sure they are not going to allow anyone to take what is theirs that they will no doubt defend to their deathbed.

A belief could be right or wrong. For some ideas such as God, life after death, and the like, we face them to be sure they are true.

Well I for one don't know anything about life, death, or God. Or life after death. I only know what I imagine I know about those things, and only I get to say whether I'm right or wrong to imagine those things. Come to think if it, I can only be right to imagine those things, because well, I am the one imagining those things, so I'm right knowing I am the one imagining those things, because I imagined them. But then I could be wrong too, because I have no idea who is rightly imagining those things except what is being imagined that I have no idea or knowledge of.

[bahman]

Well I guess if you can imagine something to exist, then it will obviously exist for you. Once you have imagined something to exist, you cannot unimagine what you have already imagined to exist can you?

Reality could be different from what I imagine.

Only if that's what you imagine.

That is a fact. We have to face certain things to become sure about them.

[bahman]

No one is wrong about their own belief, if that's what they strongly believe to be real and true. There is No force on earth, that I know of anyway, that could ever take away someone else's firmly held belief, it would be like taking away their life, and I'm sure they are not going to allow anyone to take what is theirs that they will no doubt defend to their deathbed.

A belief could be right or wrong. For some ideas such as God, life after death, and the like, we face them to be sure they are true.

Well I for one don't know anything about life, death, or God. Or life after death. I only know what I imagine I know about those things, and only I get to say whether I'm right or wrong to imagine those things. Come to think if it, I can only be right to imagine those things, because well, I am the one imagining those things, so I'm right knowing I am the one imagining those things, because I imagined them. But then I could be wrong too, because I have no idea who is rightly imagining those things except what is being imagined that I have no idea or knowledge of.

We have to fact certain things to become sure about them.

[Sculptor]

You cannot disprove the existence of a supernatural being that gives shape to nature. You cannot prove it either. Evolution is not a very precise practice. Even physics is not a very precise practice as things can be manipulated in digits that are beyond the precision of physics.

You demonstrate many examples of natural selection, and you can show many examples of such ifiotic design as the render the idea of "intelligence" void.

For example - do you know about the nerve that serves the Larynx?