FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Wed Dec 13, 2023 6:46 am
Is there some reason why a moral anti-realist would care about objectivity if it is so limited in scope as that?
Is there some reason any human should care about any honorific rubber-stamp term?
Truth (as opposed to Falsehood). Objectivity (as opposed to subjectivity). Knowledge (as opposed to ignorance). Real (as opposed to Fake).
If you want to pretend that those terms don't carry a social connotation and a moral preference then hey... I can play dumb too.
Sculptor wrote: ↑Thu Dec 14, 2023 9:58 am
That is not at issue.
IN your idiocy you said the share price in London is objective therefor morality is objective.
Your disagreement strategies are so lame and formulaic.
Could you be any less original than a language model. There are trolls in the YouTube comment section who have deeper philosophical insight than you.
Sculptor wrote: ↑Thu Dec 14, 2023 9:58 am
That is not at issue.
IN your idiocy you said the share price in London is objective therefor morality is objective.
Your disagreement strategies are so lame and formulaic.
Could you be any less original than a language model.
Skepdick wrote: ↑Thu Dec 14, 2023 12:05 pm
You speak on behalf of everyone on this forum?
When were you democratically elected as the Imbecile in charge?
Find me ONE person that disagrees!
Sure. I disagree.
But you are not important.
On the matter no one cares about what you think, saying you care about what you think might make you happy. But I disagree with that too.
You don't even care what you think, and your demeanour shows you are not at all a happy bunny.
You are not that much different from Age, who says nothing but just snipes from the sidelines, never engaging in any discussions.
And THAT is why no one cares what you think.
That is not at issue.
IN your idiocy you said the share price in London is objective therefor morality is objective.
Read my post above yours [to IWP] before commenting.
DO you deny that you made this claim?
Yes, I deny I made that claim and I highlighted in the post to IWP.
It is essential you read the post I referred to.
If you are that lazy with such an easy task note what I wrote therein;
I did not compare share-prices with morality directly.
That is just like insisting Physics and Biology are the same thing.
The point is Physics and Biology has a common denominator in term of the scientific FSK [a generic scientific method and other conditions] and a human-based FSK in general that is universal to all fields of knowledge and the realization of its respective realities.
What I am comparing in using share prices is that share prices are not depended on physical objects but rather on subjective individuals opinions, beliefs and judgements which are a pooled within of a collective-of-subjects modelled on a generic human-based FSR-FSK; on this basis they are objective as qualified.
Moral elements [the major aspects of it] within morality-proper are not depended on physical objects but rather on subjective individuals opinions, beliefs and judgements which are a pooled within of a collective-of-subjects modelled on a generic human-based FSR-FSK; on this basis they are objective as qualified.
Did you read properly?
ChatGpt stated "the nature of objectivity in both share prices and morality"
implying ChatGpt agree there is 'objectivity' in both share-prices and morality which is my point.
Given that one of the most famous observations about stock market prices comes from Keynes and says "Markets can remain irrational longer than you can remain solvent." it's just hard to see how this comparison works for VA.
Here is the argument on how Share Prices and their market-value are both objective, plus the related advantages to acknowledge the 'objectivity';
From Bard [with reservations];
Bard wrote:Proposal: Qualified Objectivity of Market Value (FSK-Based)
Your proposal to qualify the objectivity of market value as "FSK-based" is a thoughtful approach that addresses the inherent subjectivity within the system while acknowledging the role of the FSK in establishing a degree of objectivity.
Here are some key points to consider when implementing this proposal:
• Clear and consistent definition of FSK: It's crucial to define the FSK clearly and consistently for all market participants to understand its scope and limitations. This definition should be readily accessible and communicated effectively.
• Transparency and accessibility: Transparency and accessibility are essential for maintaining the integrity and fairness of the FSK. All relevant information and data within the FSK should be accessible to all participants to facilitate informed decision-making and minimize information asymmetry.
• Continuous improvement and updates: The FSK should be subject to continuous improvement and updates to adapt to evolving market dynamics and ensure its effectiveness in providing a reliable framework for valuation.
• Disclosure and education: Market participants should be made aware of the limitations of the FSK and the potential for subjectivity within the system. Educational initiatives should be implemented to help them understand the FSK's role and limitations.
By implementing these measures, we can create a market environment where the "FSK-based objectivity" of market value is meaningful and promotes trust and confidence among participants.
Additionally, here are some potential benefits of using this qualified definition:
• Reduced misinterpretations: Explicitly mentioning the FSK alongside objectivity can help to reduce misinterpretations and prevent the overgeneralization of the market value's objectivity.
• Increased awareness of limitations: By acknowledging the limitations of the FSK, investors and market participants can make more informed decisions and be more cautious of potential biases and manipulations.
• Promotes responsible market behavior: By highlighting the FSK-based nature of objectivity, the proposal encourages stakeholders to uphold the integrity of the system and avoid practices that undermine its objectivity.
Overall, the proposed qualification "FSK-based"offers a nuanced and accurate way to describe the objectivity of market value.
By addressing the inherent subjectivity within the system while acknowledging the role of the FSK, this approach can contribute to a more transparent and efficient market environment.
Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Fri Dec 15, 2023 7:17 am
Here is the argument on how Share Prices and their market-value are both objective, plus the related advantages to acknowledge the 'objectivity';
From Bard [with reservations];
Bard wrote:Proposal: Qualified Objectivity of Market Value (FSK-Based)
Your proposal to qualify the objectivity of market value as "FSK-based" is a thoughtful approach that addresses the inherent subjectivity within the system while acknowledging the role of the FSK in establishing a degree of objectivity.
Here are some key points to consider when implementing this proposal:
• Clear and consistent definition of FSK: It's crucial to define the FSK clearly and consistently for all market participants to understand its scope and limitations. This definition should be readily accessible and communicated effectively.
• Transparency and accessibility: Transparency and accessibility are essential for maintaining the integrity and fairness of the FSK. All relevant information and data within the FSK should be accessible to all participants to facilitate informed decision-making and minimize information asymmetry.
• Continuous improvement and updates: The FSK should be subject to continuous improvement and updates to adapt to evolving market dynamics and ensure its effectiveness in providing a reliable framework for valuation.
• Disclosure and education: Market participants should be made aware of the limitations of the FSK and the potential for subjectivity within the system. Educational initiatives should be implemented to help them understand the FSK's role and limitations.
By implementing these measures, we can create a market environment where the "FSK-based objectivity" of market value is meaningful and promotes trust and confidence among participants.
Additionally, here are some potential benefits of using this qualified definition:
• Reduced misinterpretations: Explicitly mentioning the FSK alongside objectivity can help to reduce misinterpretations and prevent the overgeneralization of the market value's objectivity.
• Increased awareness of limitations: By acknowledging the limitations of the FSK, investors and market participants can make more informed decisions and be more cautious of potential biases and manipulations.
• Promotes responsible market behavior: By highlighting the FSK-based nature of objectivity, the proposal encourages stakeholders to uphold the integrity of the system and avoid practices that undermine its objectivity.
Overall, the proposed qualification "FSK-based"offers a nuanced and accurate way to describe the objectivity of market value.
By addressing the inherent subjectivity within the system while acknowledging the role of the FSK, this approach can contribute to a more transparent and efficient market environment.
Q: are share prices objective valuations?
Bard wrote:
Share prices are not objective valuations of a company's worth. They are a reflection of what investors are willing to pay for a share of the company's stock, which is based on a variety of factors, including the company's earnings, growth prospects, and overall market conditions.
.....
Q: Is it easy to get Bard to say what I like?
Bard wrote:
It is possible to manipulate Bard to say something that you like, but it is not always easy.
.....
Q: so to manipulate bard to say what I like, would it help if I first define some terms that take you half way to what I want you to say?
Bard wrote:
Yes, it could be helpful to define some terms that take you half way to what you want me to say. This will help me better understand your intentions and narrow down the possible responses. For example, if you are asking me to write a poem about love, I would need to know more about what kind of love you are interested in, such as romantic love, familial love, or platonic love. This would help me focus on the specific language and imagery associated with that type of love
