Name that fallacy...

[Iwannaplato]

In your mind,

How MANY TIMES do 'you' HAVE TO BE INFORMED that SAYING, 'your mind', IS AN OXY-MORON and A Self-REFUTING expression.

Note the assumption that if you've said it, then others should not continue to express their beliefs and use language in their ways that differ from your way of using language.

There is evidence of what I have accused you of in all of these posts.

[Atla]

I guess the sad thing is that most people aren't able to pick up quickly on the fact that behind all this seemingly insane behaviour, deep down Age really is insane.

So even if you successfully deal with all her shenanigans, and finally get to the point, it still only goes downhill from there.

She really has God'd absolute certainty about the "ACTUAL TRUTH". She thinks those aren't beliefs of hers, just simply how things are.

100% certainty in your beliefs where they no longer even register to you as beliefs whatsoever, is some next level shit. Or prior level. Waay prior.

[Age]

What do 'you' MEAN BY the words, 'now for you'?

You need a lot of hand holding here.

If 'this' IS what 'you' SEE, then 'this' IS what 'you' WILL GET.

Also, NOTICED VERY CLEARLY here ARE 'your' TACTICS OF DECEPTION, and DEFLECTION.

Questions instead of trying to understand yourself.

BUT REMEMBER that it IS 'I' WHO KNOWS thy Self, and that is IS 'you', who is STILL PUZZLED, and WONDERING, in regards TO the QUESTION, 'Who am 'I'?'

'I' ALSO ALREADY KNOW and UNDERSTAND FAR MORE ABOUT 'you', then 'you' could EVEN now IMAGINE.

You demand proof.

'This' IS OBVIOUSLY False AND Wrong, AGAIN.

I do NOT 'demand' PROOF. I JUST ASK FOR 'It'. AND, if one PROVIDES 'It', or NOT, then so be 'It', literally by they way.

As I HAVE ALREADY EXPLAINED.

You talk about how you have back up and support.

YES. Well AT LEAST 'you' SAW and NOTICED 'that part' Right.

I pointed out several times that proof is off the table,

'you' FORGOT TO MENTION, FROM your perspective?

Or, do 'you' BELIEVE that 'you' KNOW the IRREFUTABLE Truth here, and that 'proof' is so-called 'off the table' here FOR EVERY one?

but evidence is possible (and has been presented by me).

AND, I HAVE ALREADY EXPLAINED that, for example, there IS 'evidence' that the sun revolves around earth, that the earth is flat, and that the Universe began and is expanding, and how 'that evidence' will ALWAYS BE SUPERSEDED and/or DOMINATED BY 'proof'.

'you' just do NOT seem to have COMPREHENDED, and UNDERSTOOD, this ANOTHER IRREFUTABLE Fact and Truth.

'your' so-called 'evidence' is some 'thing' that I would NEVER USE.

You say you have back and support - not proof.

Here 'we' have ANOTHER EXAMPLE an dMORE PROOF OF just how SIMPLY, EASILY, and QUICKLY 'things' GET DISTORTED and/or TWISTED by PREEXISTING BELIEFS and/or PRESUMPTIONS, which then LEAD INTO 'confirmation biases', which can be SO TOTALLY UNTRUE and False.

I have NEVER EVER SAID ANY such 'thing'.

WHY do 'you' think or BELIEVE that I HAVE?

Double standard, not even, it seems, consciously noticed by you.

The handholding is over now. I will no longer, in this exchange respond to all your posts.

OKAY. GREAT.

You will get the core message from me.

Would 'you' like to just SHARE 'it', EXPRESSLY?

Or do 'you' NOT WANT TO COMMIT TO some 'thing', which could be SHOWN TO BE JUST A FOOLISH MESSAGE, TO SAY THE LEAST?

Perhaps as specific to one of the early things you say in each post. And the habit is nearly always present in the first part of your responses.

Okay. If 'you' SAY and BELIEVE SO, then 'it' MUST BE TRUE, TO 'you'.

[Iwannaplato]

What do 'you' MEAN BY the words, 'now for you'?

You need a lot of hand holding here.

If 'this' IS what 'you' SEE, then 'this' IS what 'you' WILL GET.

Also, NOTICED VERY CLEARLY here ARE 'your' TACTICS OF DECEPTION, and DEFLECTION.

Questions instead of trying to understand yourself.

BUT REMEMBER that it IS 'I' WHO KNOWS thy Self, and that is IS 'you', who is STILL PUZZLED, and WONDERING, in regards TO the QUESTION, 'Who am 'I'?'

'I' ALSO ALREADY KNOW and UNDERSTAND FAR MORE ABOUT 'you', then 'you' could EVEN now IMAGINE.

Notice that when pressed and criticized, suddenly you don't have to be so allusive. Suddenly you start making claims about yourself, me and others. All the judgments that were implicit start pouring out.

Not because, as you have asserted elsewhere, I was open and completely honest - since you clearly do not view my communication that way - but when you are pressed and not accepted for what you believe you are, and when what you think your are doing is not accepted for what as that.

Human, non-transcendent, posturing. Welcome to the human race.

Well, I've got work to do, despite it being a Sunday. So, don't be assuming I have run away, you naught boy you.

There are so many different reasons someone will stop communicating with you.

[Age]

Dominance tactic: giving permission as if that is your role and you are the judge.

And NOT RECOGNIZING what IS ACTUALLY HAPPENING and OCCURRING here IS 'your role' here.

Well I appreciate the AND at the beginning there,

Okay.

acknowledging the truth of what I said about you.

YES. I ACKNOWLEDGE THAT, FROM 'your perspective', 'that' IS what 'you' BELIEVE IS TRUE.

ALSO, I ACKNOWLEDGE THAT, WHEN 'you' DISCOVER, or LEARN, and UNDERSTAND WHO and WHAT 'I' AM, EXACTLY, 'you' WILL ALSO SEE, and UNDERSTAND, FULLY EXACTLY WHAT MY ROLE here Truly IS.

Or, if you didn't mean that with your use of 'And' there was some minor feedback about English usage.

MOOT. AS JUST EXPLAINED WHY.

Again, I think it would be good for you to try this process in person with people.

AGAIN, 'you' ARE ALLUDING TO some 'thing', which I have ABSOLUTELY NO IDEA NOR CLUE what 'you' ARE talking ABOUT and REFERRING TO, EXACTLY.

BUT, this is A VERY COMMON HABIT OF 'yours' WHEN 'you' ARE talking ABOUT 'me'.

It is much harder to hide from them and yourself what is really going on.

I DO NOT EVEN KNOW what 'you' ARE EVEN TALKING ABOUT here.

And then if you are correct that is a good and effective process, it can only be more effective when you can see and hear and feel more about the people you are speaking with.

I STILL HAVE NO IDEA here.

ALSO, now might be a GOOD TIME to MENTION how when 'these people', BACK THEN, would BELIEVE some 'thing' to be true, like what 'this one' does here, then 'they' WILL DO ABSOLUTELY ANY 'thing' to MAKE what 'it' IS that 'they' BELIEVE TO BE TRUE, to BE TRUE, or AT LEAST APPEAR TO BE TRUE.

As can be CLEARLY SEEN here, BY what 'this one' IS DOING here, now.

[Age]

AND the REASON I DO NOT MAKE ANY 'thing' MORE COMPLEX IS BECAUSE 'you', human beings, ARE the ONLY 'things' that MAKE MORE COMPLEX 'that', which IS ESSENTIALLY NOT COMPLEX AT ALL and which NEVER NEEDS TO BE MADE 'MORE COMPLEX' NEITHER..

Thank you for presenting one of your many judgments of humans at the time of this writing.

Well considering the Fact that 'this' IS IRREFUTABLY True, YOUR WELCOME.

That you even asked me for proof that you have these judgments and communicate them was silly (and gaslighting).

if 'you' SAY and BELIEVE SO, WOULD and DOES EXPLAIN WHY 'you' DO NOT PRESENT ANY.

The complexity of you spending even a few seconds mulling something rather than the simplcity of your asking questions as your main tool leads to other people bearing a burden you seem to think you do not have.

If 'you' SAY and BELIEVE SO.

[Iwannaplato]

ALSO, now might be a GOOD TIME to MENTION how when 'these people', BACK THEN, would BELIEVE some 'thing' to be true, like what 'this one' does here, then 'they' WILL DO ABSOLUTELY ANY 'thing' to MAKE what 'it' IS that 'they' BELIEVE TO BE TRUE, to BE TRUE, or AT LEAST APPEAR TO BE TRUE.

And again, let's remember that Age asked for proof of all this judgments of the people at this time.

Fortunately it took just a breathe or two for him to start providing it himself.

This is one of the things I meant when I said I would no longer be doing his work for him.

[Age]

AND, 'you' OBVIOUSLY ARE CONTENT CONTINUING AS 'you' ARE here, now.

Yes. If you continue the same toxic patterns, yes.

And, what I SAY WILL CONTINUE TO BE 'toxic' TO 'you'.

AGAIN, BECAUSE of the BELIEFS, and PRESUMPTIONS, that 'you' HAVE and ARE MAINTAINING here.

[Iwannaplato]

if 'you' SAY and BELIEVE SO, WOULD and DOES EXPLAIN WHY 'you' DO NOT PRESENT ANY.

But I have....LOL. Again and again. Though not at your bidding. Run through my recent posts. Even the penultimate one. They all point out examples of you doing these things, because, it seems, you can't help but repeat them.

[Age]

I have no idea. I mean, I certainly wouldn't rule that out.

It's been said a number of times but a number of people:

WHAT, EXACTLY, has been, SUPPOSEDLY, SAID, A NUMBER OF TIMES, by A NUMBER OF PEOPLE?

In the English language there is a punctuation mark called a colon (:).

Okay, THANK you FOR INFORMING 'me' OF 'this'.

When you have that in the middle of the sentence what comes after is often an example of what has gone before in the same sentence. Above for reasons known only to yourself, you decided to take away what came after the colon.

AND the VERY REASON WHY WILL REMAIN UNKNOWN TO 'you'. That is; OF COURSE CLARIFICATION and CLARITY IS SOUGHT.

This allowed you to ask a question. Which is part of a pattern where you produce a stream of questions rather than in a more complex way interact with your fellow humans.

AND the REASON I DO NOT MAKE ANY 'thing' MORE COMPLEX IS BECAUSE 'you', human beings, ARE the ONLY 'things' that MAKE MORE COMPLEX 'that', which IS ESSENTIALLY NOT COMPLEX AT ALL and which NEVER NEEDS TO BE MADE 'MORE COMPLEX' NEITHER.

Part of the reason WHY 'you', human beings, are STILL SO LOST and CONFUSED, in the days when this is being written, IS BECAUSE 'you' make what IS ESSENTIALLY Truly SIMPLE and EASY, COMPLEX and HARD, or DIFFICULT. INCLUDING 'your' OWN communications WITH "one another".

As can be CLEARLY SEEN and PROVED Truth throughout 'this forum'.

It's been said a number of times but a number of people: it's rather amazing how many guru/radical exception/best philosopher in the world people are drawn to philosophy forums.

So, "atla" INFORMS 'you' that 'it' would NOT be surprised if 'i' turned out to be wheelchair-bound or bed-bound for life, AND, that 'i' comes across, to 'it', as someone who can't even go outside and see the real world.

And, your RESPONSE and REPLY IS: it IS rather amazing how many guru/radical exception/best philospher in the word, people, are drawn to philosophy forums.

Now, if I were to ASK 'you', 'What has 'your reply' GOT TO DO WITH what "atla" ACTUALLY SAID and CLAIMED?' Then would doing so just be A WASTE?

Wouldn't surprise if Age turned out to be wheelchair-bound or bed-bound for life. Comes across as someone who can't even go outside and see the real world.A dash of evidence in this post, as part of a pattern of me giving a lot of evidence...and you responding with habit.

Thank you FOR 'now' PROVIDING SOME 'evidence'.

It IS TRULY AMAZING HOW WHEN 'things' ARE PROVIDED, then HOW MUCH 'this' HELPS, IN 'us' ACTUALLY HAVING SOME 'thing' TO LOOK AT, SEE, AND DISCUSS.

[Age]

Ibid. I am done doing work for you.

ONCE AGAIN, WHEN CHALLENGED and/or JUST ASKED FOR CLARITY, "another one" RUNS AWAY.

Now if someone had interpreted your words like this, you would have gone off on one of your mini-rants about people making assumptions, etc.

Here 'we' HAVE ANOTHER example of PRESUMPTIONS and BELIEFS AFFECTING 'the way' one LOOKS AT and SEES 'things'.

'This one' here IS, ALSO, now ACTUALLY BELIEVING that 'it' KNOWS EXACTLY, ABSOLUTELY, and IRREFUTABLY what I WOULD DO, in the future.

By the way, if one RUNS AWAY, WITHOUT JUST ANSWERING the ACTUAL QUESTION posed, and ASKED, then what do 'you' PRESUME or BELIEVE I WOULD CLAIM that 'they' were MAKING AN ASSUMPTION ABOUT, EXACTLY?

I said. I am done doing work for you.

YES, I KNOW. And, that IS WHY I SAID and WROTE what I DID, in RESPONSE.

In the context where I had suggested that you are capable of finding meanings for things like this on your own.

AND, ONCE AGAIN, this one here IS PROVING that 'it' IS NOT COMPREHENDING, and NOT UNDERSTANDING, what I have been SAYING, POINTING OUT, and/or SHOWING here.

I KNEW that 'that' WAS what 'you' talking ABOUT, and that IS WHY I POINTED OUT and HAVE talked ABOUT I WAS SEEKING 'your' OWN personal DEFINITION/MEANING "iwannaplato".

Have 'you' REALLY NOT WORKED OUT and UNDERSTOOD 'this' YET?

Also, are 'you' under some sort of DELUSION that the MEANING I FIND would CORRESPOND, EXACTLY, WITH 'your' OWN PERSONAL MEANING?

The VERY REASON WHY 'you', human beings, do NOT UNDERSTAND "each other" FULLY, YET, in the days when this is being written. I would HOPE IS BECOMING MUCH MORE CLEARER, by now.

You didn't ask what 'Ibid' means, so you either know, but assumed things anyway, or didn't know and...assumed things anyway.

If 'this' IS what 'you' ASSUME or BELIEVE IS TRUE, then okay.

Welcome to the human race that you look down on.

BUT I HAVE NEVER EVER ONCE LOOKED DOWN UP 'you', human beings. 'you' JUST PERCEIVE, SEE, ASSUME, and/or BELIEVE I DO, ONCE AGAIN, BECAUSE OF 'your' PREEXISTING BELIEFS, PRESUMPTIONS, PRECONCEPTIONS, ALONE.

Further, you might want to consider all the judgments and assumptions in your use of 'runs away' when you aim it at others.

'you' seem here to KNOW what ALL of 'the judgments and assumptions' ARE EXACTLY in my USE of the 'runs away' words. So, would 'you' now like to INFORM 'us' of what ALL of 'the judgments and assumptions' OF MINE, ARE EXACTLY? Or, WILL 'you' RUN AWAY, AGAIN here?

Many have quite honestly said they find your way of communicating irritating, frustrating, etc.

I KNOW. And FROM 'the way' 'you', adult human beings, communicate WITH "each other", in the days when this is being written, there is NO WONDER WHY 'you' ALL talk PAST, BICKER, ARGUE, FIGHT, and even WAR WITH and KILL "each other". So, I am CERTAINLY NOT GOING TO BE FOLLOWING 'your' LEADS, in the days when this is being written.

Yet, when they disengage, you mind read that they are running away.

IF one LEAVES, then 'they' could be SAID TO BE 'RUNNING AWAY'.

Now, when 'they' DISENGAGE, WHEN it IS TIME TO PROVIDE CLARITY/ANSWER/S, then what would 'you' CALL 'this', if NOT 'RUNNING AWAY'?

Rather than, say, choosing to stop communicating with a person how irritates them.

I DO NOT SAY 'this' BECAUSE OF JUST HOW OBVIOUSLY False, Wrong, Inaccurate, AND Incorrect 'it' REALLY IS.

A negative judgment of them based on, in part, on your negative judgments of human beings at this time.

If this IS what 'you' BELIEVE, and/or SEE, FROM 'your perspective', then OKAY.

No, it can't possibly be that there is anything problematic with your communication or the implicit and explicit judgments of people that make them stop communicating with you.

If 'this' IS what 'you' WANT TO BELIEVE, and CLAIM, then OKAY.

No, the only possibility, for you, is that they are running away, with all the judgments implied by that.

IF 'you' did NOT LIST ALL of the PRESUMED 'judgments' above PREVIOUSLY, then WILL 'you' DO 'it' now?

Toxic communication. Double standards. Gaslighting.

Are there ARE OTHER judgments associated WITH these JUDGMENTS, OF 'yours' here?

and note: I'm not bothered that you misunderstood.

OKAY.

It was poor reading, etc. It's in the context of the way you react to other people and your implicit and recently explicitly claimed transcendence that it is problematic.

OKAY. IF 'this' is what 'you' SEE and/or BELIEVE here, IS AGAIN ABSOLUTELY PERFECTLY FINE WITH 'me'.

[Age]

In your mind,

How MANY TIMES do 'you' HAVE TO BE INFORMED that SAYING, 'your mind', IS AN OXY-MORON and A Self-REFUTING expression.

Note the assumption that if you've said it, then others should not continue to express their beliefs and use language in their ways that differ from your way of using language.

BUT I WOULD NOT SAY such A Truly ABSURD, ILLOGICAL, and RIDICULOUS Falsehood, FROM 'the outset', NOR IN 'the beginning'.

There is evidence of what I have accused you of in all of these posts.

OKAY. If 'you' SAY SO.

'you' ARE JUST NOT GOING TO REPEAT, NOR PROVIDE, MOST OF 'them' ARE 'you', "iwannaplato"?

[Age]

I guess the sad thing is that most people aren't able to pick up quickly on the fact that behind all this seemingly insane behaviour, deep down Age really is insane.

AT LEAST 'this' would MAKE 'you' MORE SUPERIOR and MORE INTELLIGENT than 'them', right "atla"?

So even if you successfully deal with all her shenanigans, and finally get to the point, it still only goes downhill from there.

She really has God'd absolute certainty about the "ACTUAL TRUTH". She thinks those aren't beliefs of hers, just simply how things are.

If 'this' is what 'you' REALLY BELIEVE "atla", then THANK 'you' FOR SHARING 'this KNOWLEDGE and WISDOM', OF 'yours' here WITH 'us' "atla".

100% certainty in your beliefs where they no longer even register to you as beliefs whatsoever, is some next level shit. Or prior level. Waay prior.

REALLY?

[Age]

You need a lot of hand holding here.

If 'this' IS what 'you' SEE, then 'this' IS what 'you' WILL GET.

Also, NOTICED VERY CLEARLY here ARE 'your' TACTICS OF DECEPTION, and DEFLECTION.

Questions instead of trying to understand yourself.

BUT REMEMBER that it IS 'I' WHO KNOWS thy Self, and that is IS 'you', who is STILL PUZZLED, and WONDERING, in regards TO the QUESTION, 'Who am 'I'?'

'I' ALSO ALREADY KNOW and UNDERSTAND FAR MORE ABOUT 'you', then 'you' could EVEN now IMAGINE.

Notice that when pressed and criticized, suddenly you don't have to be so allusive.

NO, WHEN do 'you' ENVISION that 'this' TOOK PLACE, EXACTLY?

Suddenly you start making claims about yourself, me and others. All the judgments that were implicit start pouring out.

BUT part of what I SAID here, I have SAID PREVIOUSLY, and ON NUMEROUS OCCASIONS.

And, although I HAVE ALREADY SAID the other part, 'you' would probably NOT YET BE AWARE OF this Fact.

Not because, as you have asserted elsewhere, I was open and completely honest - since you clearly do not view my communication that way - but when you are pressed and not accepted for what you believe you are, and when what you think your are doing is not accepted for what as that.

If 'this' IS what 'you' SAW, and/or BELIEVE IS TRUE, then OKAY. THANK 'you' FOR SHARING 'your VIEWS' WITH 'us' here.

Human, non-transcendent, posturing. Welcome to the human race.

WHY do 'you' KEEP 'TRYING', SO HARD, to bring 'Me' DOWN to the human being LEVEL, and PERSPECTIVE, OF 'things' here?

Well, I've got work to do, despite it being a Sunday. So, don't be assuming I have run away, you naught boy you.

BUT I HAVE ALREADY SHOWN THE NUMEROUS TIMES WHEN 'you' HAD ALREADY 'RUN AWAY', "iwannaplato".

There are so many different reasons someone will stop communicating with you.

YES, BUT WHEN one IS being CHALLENGED, and/or QUESTIONED, and they DO NOT RESPOND/ANSWER TO the ACTUAL WORDS, PUT FORTH, FOR the REASONS that I HAVE ALREADY EXPLAINED, then 'that' IS CLASSED AS 'RUNNING AWAY'.

OBVIOUSLY, WHEN one can NOT back up AND support 'their BELIEFS and/or CLAIMS', and that do NOT WANT TO ADMIT this Fact, then 'you', adult human beings, in the days when this was being written, WOULD 'RUN AWAY'. AS CAN BE CLEARLY SEEN, and PROVED True here, in this forum.

[Age]

ALSO, now might be a GOOD TIME to MENTION how when 'these people', BACK THEN, would BELIEVE some 'thing' to be true, like what 'this one' does here, then 'they' WILL DO ABSOLUTELY ANY 'thing' to MAKE what 'it' IS that 'they' BELIEVE TO BE TRUE, to BE TRUE, or AT LEAST APPEAR TO BE TRUE.

And again, let's remember that Age asked for proof of all this judgments of the people at this time.

DID I, REALLY, ASK FOR PROOF of what 'you' SAY and CLAIM I DID here?

Fortunately it took just a breathe or two for him to start providing it himself.

If 'this' IS, AGAIN, what 'you' WANT TO BELIEVE and CLAIM IS TRUE, then ALL WELL and GOOD.

And, as can be CLEARLY SEEN, ONCE AGAIN, WHEN 'this one' CLAIMS 'things' ABOUT 'me' and ACCUSES 'me' OF 'things' 'it' will NOT PROVIDE ACTUAL INFORMATION ABOUT what the 'thing/s' IS/ARE, EXACTLY?

'it' WILL ONLY ALLUDE TO SOME 'thing' BECAUSE if 'it' DID ACTUALLY DIVULGE the ACTUAL 'thing/s', THEN 'we' WOULD ACTUALLY HAVE SOME 'thing' TO LOOK AT, SEE, and DISCUSS. And, 'this one' does NOT WANT 'that' TO HAPPEN, BECAUSE OF THE CONSEQUENCES, which might FOLLOW.

This is one of the things I meant when I said I would no longer be doing his work for him.

Okay.

And 'this' is OBVIOUSLY one the 'things' that IS KNOWN TO BE A LIE False, AND Wrong, here.