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[Immanuel Can]

Jews and Christians seem to believe the same thing concerning "miraculous events" in that region. It'd be nice if everyone in that region would get a grip and get their heads out of 2000 BCE.

But the "miraculous events" Muslims claim to have taken place could not possible have actually occurred. That's what most people don't know.

Muslims say that the reason for their claim to Israel is "The Night Journey" of Mo. What the composers of the story didn't know, though, was that at the time Mo was reported to have gone to Jerusalem and ascended from the pinnacle of the Temple on a flying steed...there was no Temple in Jerusalem! It was destroyed by the Romans, in 70 AD, and the first mosque wasn't built on the site until 691 AD...and Mo's legendary wingy flight was said by Islamic scholars to have taken place around 621 AD. Consequently, there was not anything even LIKE a "Temple" in Jerusalem during the time period!

What this means is either: 1) that Mo's "Night Journey" was a dream, and he never did any such thing, in which case Islam has no truthful claim to association with Jerusalem, or 2) that he was miraculously transported to Jerusalem, but there was no Temple from which he could ascend, in which case, somebody lied.

Either way, the story is exposed as a total fiction, and Islam has no legit claim on Jerusalem. Apparently the inventors simply did not realize all this, and in aid of inventing a claim on Jerusalem or another elaborate miracle for Mo, put their foot in it by inventing a story that simply couldn't be true, even if a miracle had been involved.

I see. So Muslims "miracles" are all crazy stuff but the "miracles" of Judaism and Christianity are all verified to have actually happened? Is that correct?

You didn't read carefully...or think carefully.

Look at the last line: EVEN IF. I can give the Muslims full agreement that their events were "miraculous," and they're still impossible...not because I say so, but because the Temple they needed to exist did not exist at all! And we know that's true.

Now, compare that to Jewish or Christian miraculous claims, and you find that there IS a Red Sea, an Egypt, and an Israel. There is a Bethlehem, was a Temple in Jerusalem, and Jesus is a real historical figure, as was the Apostles Paul, John, Matthew and so on. The early church actually existed, even if you don't believe in the Pentecost miracle. In other words, all the requisite elements were in place for those miracles, even if you don't believe they actually took place. Get it?

Not so with "The Night Journey." There was no possibility that alleged miracle could even have take place, because there was no place for it to take place. And that's on the terms given by Islamists themselves.

[Gary Childress]

So now what?

Based on the information I'm seeing, Israel needs to offer to back off their attack on condition that the situation in Gaza is resolved by the UN. The UN would need to send peacekeepers to ensure that the attacks against Israel no longer occur and help Gaza rebuild without Hamas running the show. I agree, Hamas is bad news and they need to stop their shit.

[Immanuel Can]

So now what?

Based on the information I'm seeing, Israel needs to offer to back off their attack on condition that the situation in Gaza is resolved by the UN.

They UN is utterly impotent. They've issued a ton of "resolutions" on the situation, all ineffective. And they have no troops, so they cannot enforce a darn thing. Don't waste a thought for the UN...they're a useless puppet organization.

I agree, Hamas is bad news and they need to stop their shit.

And when they don't? For they have sworn that they will not. So what's next?

[Gary Childress]

I agree, Hamas is bad news and they need to stop their shit.

And when they don't? For they have sworn that they will not. So what's next?

I don't know what next. I guess we'll have to see what happens. It doesn't look good with Russia, China, Iran, and N. Korea rattling sabers. Iran doesn't yet have nuclear weapons as far as we know but the rest of them do. Are we to fight them to the death of us all? I would really hate to see life on Earth come to extinction. So I guess it comes down to who is going to flinch first in a game of chicken. It would be nice if Russia, China, Iran and N. Korea would stop, but if they don't, then what do we do? Do we all die?

[Immanuel Can]

I agree, Hamas is bad news and they need to stop their shit.

And when they don't? For they have sworn that they will not. So what's next?

I don't know what next.

We don't have that luxury. People are dying. We have to do something. What should we do?

My answer is simple: end Hamas. What's yours?

[Gary Childress]

And when they don't? For they have sworn that they will not. So what's next?

I don't know what next.

We don't have that luxury. People are dying. We have to do something. What should we do?

My answer is simple: end Hamas. What's yours?

"Hamas" is basically a belief that 1948 will be undone. How does one end a belief? Do we kill every single person who has that belief?

[Immanuel Can]

I don't know what next.

We don't have that luxury. People are dying. We have to do something. What should we do?

My answer is simple: end Hamas. What's yours?

"Hamas" is basically a belief that 1948 will be undone.

No, "Hamas" is a specific terroristic political organization. And it can be "undone" by surrendering. Or it will be "undone" by being killed.

But if Palestinians, after Hamas is gone, will not accept any two-state solution, then the problem will persist in another form. However, the first and most obvious step, right now, is to end Hamas. They're the immediate threat, and the whole cause of the war.

[Gary Childress]

My answer is simple: end Hamas. What's yours?

My plan is to die, if that's what must happen. Israel can do what it wishes but I'm not going to kill anyone in order to save myself. The world is too precious to take it down with me. If other people want me out of this world, then so be it.

As far as I'm concerned, there's no God. If there were then evil wouldn't triumph. But as we can see, evil will do what evil does and there's nothing the good can do about it.

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[Immanuel Can]

My answer is simple: end Hamas. What's yours?

My plan is to die,...

And how do you think that's going to help anybody?

[Gary Childress]

My answer is simple: end Hamas. What's yours?

My plan is to die,...

And how do you think that's going to help anybody?

As I say, if good will not triumph over evil through peaceful means--if those who wish to kill others will triumph over those who do not wish to kill anyone, then there is no God or else God is evil as far as I'm concerned (and the world is not worth living in).

If you want to see every single Hamas fighter killed, then it doesn't sound to me like you believe God will take care of everything either. It looks to me that you think good humans must eradicate evil ourselves in order to prevent evil from happening. I don't think there is a God and I'm not going to kill anyone or be responsible for killing anyone in order to live in a world where there is no God (or else a world with an evil God who will not prevent humanity from destroying itself).

[Immanuel Can]

My plan is to die,...

And how do you think that's going to help anybody?

As I say, if good will not triumph over evil through peaceful means--if those who wish to kill others will triumph over those who do not wish to kill anyone, then there is no God or else God is evil as far as I'm concerned (and the world is not worth living in).

You didn't answer my question. Your death would not help anyone, obviously. So that's mere theatrics, totally unrelated to the issue we've been discussing, obviously.

If you want to see every single Hamas fighter killed,

I don't. I want them to surrender, because that's the best outcome for all.

But I'm a realist, too: if Hamas will not surrender, then I know the IDF will kill them. I do not approve of their not surrendering, nor of their deaths. But one or the other will happen, and I prefer the less fatal option. So should you, I think.

But if you see God as responsible for that equation, you'll need to point Him out to me. It looks very much to me like an ungodly mess created by human beings who have rejected God completely, wouldn't you say? Do you think either side sat down and asked themselves, "Now, what would Jesus do?"

[Gary Childress]

And how do you think that's going to help anybody?

As I say, if good will not triumph over evil through peaceful means--if those who wish to kill others will triumph over those who do not wish to kill anyone, then there is no God or else God is evil as far as I'm concerned (and the world is not worth living in).

You didn't answer my question. Your death would not help anyone, obviously. So that's mere theatrics, totally unrelated to the issue we've been discussing, obviously.

What difference does it make if my death will help someone or not? I will die before I kill anyone or promote the killing of anyone. If that doesn't appeal to you for whatever reason, then I'm sorry.

Here's my mailing address:

Gary Childress
3914 Caledonia Ave.
Apopoka, FL 32712
USA

If anyone wants me dead then feel free to mail me a bomb or anthrax or whatever you want. You can even title it "Anthrax" or whatever you want and I promise I will open it.

I will not live in a world where evil triumphs and there's no such thing as killing innocent people in the name of "good".

[Immanuel Can]

As I say, if good will not triumph over evil through peaceful means--if those who wish to kill others will triumph over those who do not wish to kill anyone, then there is no God or else God is evil as far as I'm concerned (and the world is not worth living in).

You didn't answer my question. Your death would not help anyone, obviously. So that's mere theatrics, totally unrelated to the issue we've been discussing, obviously.

What difference does it make if my death will help someone or not?

Well, it has zero to do with Israel or Hamas. That's for sure.

I will not live in a world where evil triumphs and there's no such thing as killing innocent people in the name of "good".

I think you mean the opposite of that last clause, don't you? You mean to say, "I will not live in a world...were there IS such a thing as..."

But it's too late. Here, evil often triumphs, and innocent people are often hurt; and that's where you have lived all your life already, whether you knew it or not.

But that's why the Great Judgment must come. If God were to allow evil indefinitely, then God would not be God. So evil's on a short leash, and justice will be dispensed absolutely. Console yourself in that.

[Gary Childress]

You didn't answer my question. Your death would not help anyone, obviously. So that's mere theatrics, totally unrelated to the issue we've been discussing, obviously.

What difference does it make if my death will help someone or not?

Well, it has zero to do with Israel or Hamas. That's for sure.

I will not live in a world where evil triumphs and there's no such thing as killing innocent people in the name of "good".

I think you mean the opposite of that last clause, don't you?

Here's does this help:

I will not live in a world where evil triumphs. And there's no such thing as killing innocent people in the name of "good".

[Immanuel Can]

What difference does it make if my death will help someone or not?

Well, it has zero to do with Israel or Hamas. That's for sure.

I will not live in a world where evil triumphs and there's no such thing as killing innocent people in the name of "good".

I think you mean the opposite of that last clause, don't you?

Here's does this help:

I will not live in a world where evil triumphs. And there's no such thing as killing innocent people in the name of "good".

I thought that's what you meant. But there is such a thing as killing innocent people in the name of good: the Holocaust, the Holodomor, the Cultural Revolution, the Armenian Genocide, the Katyn Forest, the Death Marches...and plenty of such things in the Arab world, from the Iranian Revolution to Bashaar al Asad and now October 7th. And in every case, the pretext was some "good" for some other group.

Do not the Palestinians advocate genocide "from the river to the sea" in the name of their national "good"? Do they not even immolate their own people, women, children and other innocents on the altar of their national ambitions? Of course they do.

That's the place you live. That's why God cannot leave it as is.