Wonkers and Israel

[Age]

Are we misreading him/her?

Does he/she think that both Hamas burning children alive and Israelis burning children alive, are equally awful and cannot be justified for "political reasons"?

Israelis tie children up into piles and burn them alive while gleefully recording it on bodycams?

Okay, if you say so.

Where are you from? How many German children were bombed in allied raids during WW11? Did they get prior warning?

Are you here suggesting that it is somehow OKAY, ALL RIGHT, or ACCEPTANCE to BOMB children, AFTER you have given them PRIOR WARNING that you are going to BOMB them?

I would have thought putting the SCARE and FEAR factor INTO them could ACTUALLY MAKE 'this' WORSE. But each to their own, as some would say here.

[Age]

Of course you aren't. That's par for the course. At least I won't be remembered as an apologist for genocide.

you seem to be making the CLAIM that as long as 'they' have been PRE-WARNED of their imminent BOMBING and GENOCIDE, then 'this' makes it somehow MORE ACCEPTABLE.

I see that your 'location' is some PC virtue-signalling salute to Ukraine. Do you have any knowledge about any of these places? Do you even know where Ukraine is (without googling it)? (Or Russia for that matter).

[Age]

''I know about the horrors of war.

HOW, EXACTLY?

I also know about the horrors of subjugation.

HOW, EXACTLY?

I have no desire to have my children suffer under a Taliban, Nazi or Khmer Rouge overlord.

Okay, but what would you have so-called "your children" suffer under, EXACTLY?

That's why I thank all those who fought for our freedoms. That's why we still need to build weapons.

Yes, 'FIGHTING FOR OUR FREEDOMS, WITH WEAPONS', is NOT an OXYMORON, CONTRADICTION, NOR SELF-REFUTING term and phrase in ANY WAY, RIGHT?

When nobody will use force to dominate another, then we can pound the swords into plowshares.''

So 'freedoms' means 'only freedoms for Americans'. Ok.

What do 'you' consider and class "your" 'self' as 'accelafine'?

[Age]

How surprising. The woke always manage to slither away from difficult questions

'you', "accelafine", SAID and WROTE, 'That's the end of my interactions with the above freakshow.'

Does 'this' MEAN that 'you' ARE "woke", as, and when, 'you' SLITHERED AWAY FROM QUESTIONS?

[FrankGSterleJr]

On October 26, a Globe and Mail columnist wrote how during a recent concert at Vancouver’s Hollywood Theatre, “a band member said something about a free Palestine. This, according to attendee Hanah Van Borek, led to a few shouts from the audience: ‘Fuck the Jews!’

“It was clearly audible in her area of the crowd, a person who was with her confirms, but nobody around them shut this down. There were some cheers of support, though. ‘My whole body went into shock,’ says Ms. Van Borek, who is Jewish.

“Ms. Van Borek left the venue and explained why to security staff. She says a worker encouraged her to go back inside and reassured her she was safe. ‘Nobody will be able to tell that you’re Jewish,’ he said, according to Ms. Van Borek. (Oy.)

She did return to the show, but Ms. Van Borek was — and is — rattled. She supports the band’s right to make political statements. It was the shouts from this group — and the silence around them — that were alarming.”

For many years I’ve been and likely will continue to be a critic of the maltreatment of the Palestinian people by the state of Israel [i.e. its government and security/defense agencies] and, with few exceptions, Western mainstream news-media’s seemingly intentional tokenistic (non)coverage of it. By doing so, that media, whether they realize it or not, have done a disservice to its own reputation and the Israeli/Jewish people themselves. The road to hell, after all, is also paved with good intentions.

Having said that, I still never expected the level of anti-Semitic attacks in Canada and the U.S. since the initial Oct.7 Hamas attack on Israel. For one thing, the Jewish people in Israel and especially around the world must not be collectively blamed for the acts of Israel’s government and military, however one feels about the latter’s brutality in present Gaza. It’s blatantly immoral for them to be mistreated, if not terrorized, as though they were responsible for what is happening there.

Of course, diaspora Palestinians and Western Muslims similarly must not be collectively blamed and attacked for the acts of Hamas violence in Israel or Islamic extremist attacks outside the Middle East.

There seems to have been much latent animosity towards Jewish people in general, perhaps in part based on erroneous and disproven stereotype thus completely unmerited. Also, incredible insensitivity was publicly shown towards Jews freshly mourning the 10/7 victims, especially considering that young Israelis and Jews elsewhere may not be accustomed to such relatively large-scale carnage (at least not as much as is seen in other parts of the Middle East) in post-9/11 times.

Having the top-mentioned (in The Globe and Mail) ugly and scary occurrence playout in my mind’s eye and ear left me disgusted. Also scary is the real possibility that this public outpour of blind hatred may lead some young children to feel very misplaced shame in their heritage.

Meanwhile, there also were/are the ugly external politics. Particularly with the Palestinian-Israeli conflict, one can observe widespread ideological/political partisanship via news and commentary. Within social media, the polarized views are especially amplified, largely involving non-Jews and non-Palestinians. As well, the conflict can and does arouse a spectator sport effect or mentality.

Many contemptible news trolls internationally decide which ‘side’ they hate less thus ‘support’ via politicized commentary posts. I anticipate that they may actually keep track of the bloody match by checking the day’s-end death-toll score.

[FrankGSterleJr]

The world is on fire, literally and figuratively. Collectively, we humans are hopelessly prone to the politics of scale and differences, both real and perceived, especially those involving color, nationality, race and religion.

It's quite plausible that if the world’s population was somehow reduced to just a few city blocks of seemingly similar residents, there’d sooner or later be some form of notable inter-neighborhood hostilities.

Still, from within ourselves we, as individuals, can resist flawed yet normalized human/societal nature thus behavior. ... Perhaps relevant to this are the words of sociologist Stanley Milgram [of Obedience Experiments fame/infamy]: “It may be that we are puppets — puppets controlled by the strings of society. But at least we are puppets with perception, with awareness. And perhaps our awareness is the first step to our liberation.”

[Iwannaplato]

How surprising. The woke always manage to slither away from difficult questions

Yeah, everyone who is ALSO critical of Israel and not just Hamas is protrans and believe in critical race theory, including those Israeli's who are critical of the current military Israelii operations. It's simple: one side bad, one side good. If someone doesn't agree 100% with insulting, does not make arguments, just assertions accelafine, then one is rooting for genocide...and is woke.

You're just another duschbag who gets a dopamine hit whenever he uses one of his cliche binary categories. I'm sure it must be nice not to think and get to virtue signal in post after post.

No one could possibly be reacting to your infantile approach to discussion...you're so right.

Stick with your mindreading and assertions.

It will lead the world to a better place.

[Gary Childress]

The world is on fire, literally and figuratively. Collectively, we humans are hopelessly prone to the politics of scale and differences, both real and perceived, especially those involving color, nationality, race and religion.

It's quite plausible that if the world’s population was somehow reduced to just a few city blocks of seemingly similar residents, there’d sooner or later be some form of notable inter-neighborhood hostilities.

During some of my psychoses, I thought I was hearing nature crying for help. And there was nothing I could do but listen in dread and horror. This world is cruel. How can it be the product of a 'benevolent' creator? And if the creator is not benevolent, then what is there to hope for or aspire to, other than to aspire to leave this world? There is only one way to leave this world. Yet the greatest terror of all for a living being is to face its own end.

And it is said that God "forgives" us. When we are all gone, who will be left here to forgive God?

[phyllo]

And if the creator is not benevolent, then what is there to hope for or aspire to, other than to aspire to leave this world?

To make the world less cruel through our efforts?

[accelafine]

On October 26, a Globe and Mail columnist wrote how during a recent concert at Vancouver’s Hollywood Theatre, “a band member said something about a free Palestine. This, according to attendee Hanah Van Borek, led to a few shouts from the audience: ‘Fuck the Jews!’

“It was clearly audible in her area of the crowd, a person who was with her confirms, but nobody around them shut this down. There were some cheers of support, though. ‘My whole body went into shock,’ says Ms. Van Borek, who is Jewish.

“Ms. Van Borek left the venue and explained why to security staff. She says a worker encouraged her to go back inside and reassured her she was safe. ‘Nobody will be able to tell that you’re Jewish,’ he said, according to Ms. Van Borek. (Oy.)

She did return to the show, but Ms. Van Borek was — and is — rattled. She supports the band’s right to make political statements. It was the shouts from this group — and the silence around them — that were alarming.”

For many years I’ve been and likely will continue to be a critic of the maltreatment of the Palestinian people by the state of Israel [i.e. its government and security/defense agencies] and, with few exceptions, Western mainstream news-media’s seemingly intentional tokenistic (non)coverage of it. By doing so, that media, whether they realize it or not, have done a disservice to its own reputation and the Israeli/Jewish people themselves. The road to hell, after all, is also paved with good intentions.

Having said that, I still never expected the level of anti-Semitic attacks in Canada and the U.S. since the initial Oct.7 Hamas attack on Israel. For one thing, the Jewish people in Israel and especially around the world must not be collectively blamed for the acts of Israel’s government and military, however one feels about the latter’s brutality in present Gaza. It’s blatantly immoral for them to be mistreated, if not terrorized, as though they were responsible for what is happening there.

Of course, diaspora Palestinians and Western Muslims similarly must not be collectively blamed and attacked for the acts of Hamas violence in Israel or Islamic extremist attacks outside the Middle East.

There seems to have been much latent animosity towards Jewish people in general, perhaps in part based on erroneous and disproven stereotype thus completely unmerited. Also, incredible insensitivity was publicly shown towards Jews freshly mourning the 10/7 victims, especially considering that young Israelis and Jews elsewhere may not be accustomed to such relatively large-scale carnage (at least not as much as is seen in other parts of the Middle East) in post-9/11 times.

Having the top-mentioned (in The Globe and Mail) ugly and scary occurrence playout in my mind’s eye and ear left me disgusted. Also scary is the real possibility that this public outpour of blind hatred may lead some young children to feel very misplaced shame in their heritage.

Meanwhile, there also were/are the ugly external politics. Particularly with the Palestinian-Israeli conflict, one can observe widespread ideological/political partisanship via news and commentary. Within social media, the polarized views are especially amplified, largely involving non-Jews and non-Palestinians. As well, the conflict can and does arouse a spectator sport effect or mentality.

Many contemptible news trolls internationally decide which ‘side’ they hate less thus ‘support’ via politicized commentary posts. I anticipate that they may actually keep track of the bloody match by checking the day’s-end death-toll score.

By 'mistreating' Gaza do you mean providing it with free infrastructure like power and internet, because Gaza chooses to prioritise its billions in other ways?

[accelafine]

How surprising. The woke always manage to slither away from difficult questions

Yeah, everyone who is ALSO critical of Israel and not just Hamas is protrans and believe in critical race theory, including those Israeli's who are critical of the current military Israelii operations. It's simple: one side bad, one side good. If someone doesn't agree 100% with insulting, does not make arguments, just assertions accelafine, then one is rooting for genocide...and is woke.

You're just another duschbag who gets a dopamine hit whenever he uses one of his cliche binary categories. I'm sure it must be nice not to think and get to virtue signal in post after post.

No one could possibly be reacting to your infantile approach to discussion...you're so right.

Stick with your mindreading and assertions.

It will lead the world to a better place.

Thank you for your brilliant counterargument. I think it has nearly caused me to change my stance.

[Gary Childress]

On October 26, a Globe and Mail columnist wrote how during a recent concert at Vancouver’s Hollywood Theatre, “a band member said something about a free Palestine. This, according to attendee Hanah Van Borek, led to a few shouts from the audience: ‘Fuck the Jews!’

“It was clearly audible in her area of the crowd, a person who was with her confirms, but nobody around them shut this down. There were some cheers of support, though. ‘My whole body went into shock,’ says Ms. Van Borek, who is Jewish.

“Ms. Van Borek left the venue and explained why to security staff. She says a worker encouraged her to go back inside and reassured her she was safe. ‘Nobody will be able to tell that you’re Jewish,’ he said, according to Ms. Van Borek. (Oy.)

She did return to the show, but Ms. Van Borek was — and is — rattled. She supports the band’s right to make political statements. It was the shouts from this group — and the silence around them — that were alarming.”

For many years I’ve been and likely will continue to be a critic of the maltreatment of the Palestinian people by the state of Israel [i.e. its government and security/defense agencies] and, with few exceptions, Western mainstream news-media’s seemingly intentional tokenistic (non)coverage of it. By doing so, that media, whether they realize it or not, have done a disservice to its own reputation and the Israeli/Jewish people themselves. The road to hell, after all, is also paved with good intentions.

Having said that, I still never expected the level of anti-Semitic attacks in Canada and the U.S. since the initial Oct.7 Hamas attack on Israel. For one thing, the Jewish people in Israel and especially around the world must not be collectively blamed for the acts of Israel’s government and military, however one feels about the latter’s brutality in present Gaza. It’s blatantly immoral for them to be mistreated, if not terrorized, as though they were responsible for what is happening there.

Of course, diaspora Palestinians and Western Muslims similarly must not be collectively blamed and attacked for the acts of Hamas violence in Israel or Islamic extremist attacks outside the Middle East.

There seems to have been much latent animosity towards Jewish people in general, perhaps in part based on erroneous and disproven stereotype thus completely unmerited. Also, incredible insensitivity was publicly shown towards Jews freshly mourning the 10/7 victims, especially considering that young Israelis and Jews elsewhere may not be accustomed to such relatively large-scale carnage (at least not as much as is seen in other parts of the Middle East) in post-9/11 times.

Having the top-mentioned (in The Globe and Mail) ugly and scary occurrence playout in my mind’s eye and ear left me disgusted. Also scary is the real possibility that this public outpour of blind hatred may lead some young children to feel very misplaced shame in their heritage.

Meanwhile, there also were/are the ugly external politics. Particularly with the Palestinian-Israeli conflict, one can observe widespread ideological/political partisanship via news and commentary. Within social media, the polarized views are especially amplified, largely involving non-Jews and non-Palestinians. As well, the conflict can and does arouse a spectator sport effect or mentality.

Many contemptible news trolls internationally decide which ‘side’ they hate less thus ‘support’ via politicized commentary posts. I anticipate that they may actually keep track of the bloody match by checking the day’s-end death-toll score.

By 'mistreating' Gaza do you mean providing it with free infrastructure like power and internet, because Gaza chooses to prioritise its billions in other ways?

Apparently, it wasn't all that hard to provide those things to the Palestinians, at least not as difficult as it apparently was to provide water to drink.

[accelafine]

On October 26, a Globe and Mail columnist wrote how during a recent concert at Vancouver’s Hollywood Theatre, “a band member said something about a free Palestine. This, according to attendee Hanah Van Borek, led to a few shouts from the audience: ‘Fuck the Jews!’

“It was clearly audible in her area of the crowd, a person who was with her confirms, but nobody around them shut this down. There were some cheers of support, though. ‘My whole body went into shock,’ says Ms. Van Borek, who is Jewish.

“Ms. Van Borek left the venue and explained why to security staff. She says a worker encouraged her to go back inside and reassured her she was safe. ‘Nobody will be able to tell that you’re Jewish,’ he said, according to Ms. Van Borek. (Oy.)

She did return to the show, but Ms. Van Borek was — and is — rattled. She supports the band’s right to make political statements. It was the shouts from this group — and the silence around them — that were alarming.”

For many years I’ve been and likely will continue to be a critic of the maltreatment of the Palestinian people by the state of Israel [i.e. its government and security/defense agencies] and, with few exceptions, Western mainstream news-media’s seemingly intentional tokenistic (non)coverage of it. By doing so, that media, whether they realize it or not, have done a disservice to its own reputation and the Israeli/Jewish people themselves. The road to hell, after all, is also paved with good intentions.

Having said that, I still never expected the level of anti-Semitic attacks in Canada and the U.S. since the initial Oct.7 Hamas attack on Israel. For one thing, the Jewish people in Israel and especially around the world must not be collectively blamed for the acts of Israel’s government and military, however one feels about the latter’s brutality in present Gaza. It’s blatantly immoral for them to be mistreated, if not terrorized, as though they were responsible for what is happening there.

Of course, diaspora Palestinians and Western Muslims similarly must not be collectively blamed and attacked for the acts of Hamas violence in Israel or Islamic extremist attacks outside the Middle East.

There seems to have been much latent animosity towards Jewish people in general, perhaps in part based on erroneous and disproven stereotype thus completely unmerited. Also, incredible insensitivity was publicly shown towards Jews freshly mourning the 10/7 victims, especially considering that young Israelis and Jews elsewhere may not be accustomed to such relatively large-scale carnage (at least not as much as is seen in other parts of the Middle East) in post-9/11 times.

Having the top-mentioned (in The Globe and Mail) ugly and scary occurrence playout in my mind’s eye and ear left me disgusted. Also scary is the real possibility that this public outpour of blind hatred may lead some young children to feel very misplaced shame in their heritage.

Meanwhile, there also were/are the ugly external politics. Particularly with the Palestinian-Israeli conflict, one can observe widespread ideological/political partisanship via news and commentary. Within social media, the polarized views are especially amplified, largely involving non-Jews and non-Palestinians. As well, the conflict can and does arouse a spectator sport effect or mentality.

Many contemptible news trolls internationally decide which ‘side’ they hate less thus ‘support’ via politicized commentary posts. I anticipate that they may actually keep track of the bloody match by checking the day’s-end death-toll score.

By 'mistreating' Gaza do you mean providing it with free infrastructure like power and internet, because Gaza chooses to prioritise its billions in other ways?

Apparently, it wasn't all that hard to provide those things to the Palestinians, at least not as difficult as it apparently was to provide water to drink.

They provided them with that as well. Do you need a list?

[Gary Childress]

By 'mistreating' Gaza do you mean providing it with free infrastructure like power and internet, because Gaza chooses to prioritise its billions in other ways?

Apparently, it wasn't all that hard to provide those things to the Palestinians, at least not as difficult as it apparently was to provide water to drink.

They provided them with that as well. Do you need a list?

Greedy Palestinians:

https://www.aljazeera.com/program/peopl ... -palestine

[Gary Childress]

How surprising. The woke always manage to slither away from difficult questions

Yeah, everyone who is ALSO critical of Israel and not just Hamas is protrans and believe in critical race theory, including those Israeli's who are critical of the current military Israelii operations. It's simple: one side bad, one side good. If someone doesn't agree 100% with insulting, does not make arguments, just assertions accelafine, then one is rooting for genocide...and is woke.

You're just another duschbag who gets a dopamine hit whenever he uses one of his cliche binary categories. I'm sure it must be nice not to think and get to virtue signal in post after post.

No one could possibly be reacting to your infantile approach to discussion...you're so right.

Stick with your mindreading and assertions.

It will lead the world to a better place.

Thank you for your brilliant counterargument. I think it has nearly caused me to change my stance.

If you want to support something worthwhile, support shipping Hamas and the IDF to Antarctica to kill each other.

EDIT: Well maybe not the IDF, maybe just the hardliners in the Israeli government pushing for more Israeli settlement on the West Bank.