The thoughts of Nisargadatta Maharaj

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SNM: Nothing can trouble you but your own imagination.

Right.

Because, clearly, that car that ran a red light and killed your children and turned you into a quadriplegic, was no trouble at all.

Who the heck is he talking to?

SNM: When pain is accepted for what it is, a lesson and a warning, and deeply looked into and heeded, the separation between pain and pleasure breaks down, both become just experience - painful when resisted, joyful when accepted.

Back in the 70s I worked as a technician in the Respiratory Therapy Department of a major hospital in Ann Arbor Michigan. As such, I would have to go into the hospital's burn unit and give breathing treatments that delivered meds to severely burned adults and children.

And the point is that I highly doubt that any of them would have found any "joy" in accepting their horrible situation which consisted of excruciating pain and the permanent disfiguring of their bodies and faces.

The bottom line is that Nissy's suggestion is nothing more than empty drivel.

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SNM: ...Abandon all self-concern, worry not about your welfare, material or spiritual, abandon every desire, gross or subtle, stop thinking of achievement of any kind...

In other words, become a Hindu guru like him and this guy...



...and then you too can sit around in your underwear and dispense impractical platitudes while the world comes to a standstill because no one is thinking about achieving anything.

Great advice!

I could go on and on, but I think I've made my point.

Understand this now,...

...I am not trying to be disrespectful of these beautiful souls, no, I am simply pointing out that, sure, we should glean and incorporate whatever wisdom can be derived from their particular piece of the aforementioned "Grand Philosophical Puzzle,"...

...but it is time to move above and beyond the limiting nonsense of their "old paradigm" vision of reality.

And, of course, the same applies to the proponents of all the other world religions.

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And lastly, Walker, you're not going to like it, but you need to understand that if Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj (whose birth name is Maruti Shivrampant Kambli) had been born into the arms of some Bible Belt Christian woman in the U.S.,...

...then he probably would have been named Clyde, or Eugene, or Billy, or Oral, or Kenneth, or something similar, and grown up to be a popular evangelical preacher like this guy...



And the exceedingly obvious point is that if it wasn't for the sheer random chance of where Maruti (aka, Nissy) happened to awaken into life on this planet,...

...then it is quite possible that he could have wound up in a situation where he preached sermons that condemned the very teachings that he (as a Hindu guru) has become famous for.
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[Walker]

Is the highly ordered, multi-billion-year-old structure represented by this...

https://www.listland.com/wp-content/upl ... 363447.jpg

...inside of you, or are you inside of it?

I thought you said it was inside a nut.

[Walker]

...but it is time to move above and beyond the limiting nonsense of their "old paradigm" vision of reality.
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- You make an error in reasoning. Truth transcends paradigms, and even when poetically elegant is not to everyone's liking.

- You say that SNM is not right for these times, however your reasoning is personally based, and not necessarily applicable to these times in which this is written.
- Your reasoning does not follow Nissy's reasoning, in fact, you don't follow his reasoning to understand what he says.
- You follow your own reasoning to assert your own views to say what you understand, and based on your view, you say his view is wrong.

- He is a contemporary of yours, btw. Not at all that difficult to relate to.

- Assuming the thoughts of burn victims is irrelevant, but to counter your assertion, in the US we get to see TV commercials of horribly disfigured, and yet optimistic, military veterans who are being helped by private organizations that pick up the government's slack.
- People take different forks in the road in response to personal trauma, whether it be physical or mental.

- For some folks who are ready to hear it, the knowledge that all problems are caused by self-cherishing is explanation enough; because it applies to themselves they can see how it applies to everyone.

[Walker]

Sri Ramana Maharshi ... a great and beautiful man. There is a photograph of him taken shortly before his death. His body is blackened with the cancer that has spread all through him. His face has the same expression as in the photograph above, the one taken in the hot climate of India, no doubt on his beloved Arunachala hill that locals say is literally, Shiva.

He must have been in terrible pain with his body all blackened with cancer and yet that face, such peace, such kindness and compassion radiating out to touch the souls of us who remain in this realm for now. He carried that peace always for in a sense, a sense that may be difficult to comprehend, he was dead to the world just as Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj also asserts about himself, dead to the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune, a witness to karma winding down like a spinning turntable with the motive turned off.

Those many around Sri Ramana Maharshi were weeping at the end around his bed that was in a hallway, and yet he gave everyone comfort at the time of his mahasamadhi, in the history of the world. No one tormented him and he eased all their torment caused by their attachment. He was surrounded by many who loved him and not his executioners ... which is the most that any of us can expect in the way of a blessing at the end.

Thank you for the image of this great man who even now, without a physical form and only that form above, humbles me and my imperfections.

[Walker]

Nissy would sit down in his room and any who showed up could ask him questions. His room was right across from a public toilet. Many came and had to wait their turn because the room was small, but being India, there was little in the way of furniture so folks could crowd in. He would usually throw people out who had been there for a week or so, and he would throw assholes out immediately.

[Walker]

Re: a message for trauma survivors.

Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj: "Is it not important to you to know whether you are a mere body, or something else? Or, maybe nothing at all? Don’t you see that all your problems are your body’s problems — food, clothing, shelter, family, friends, name, fame, security, survival — all these lose their meaning the moment you realize that you may not be a mere body."

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Is the highly ordered, multi-billion-year-old structure represented by this...

https://www.listland.com/wp-content/upl ... 363447.jpg

...inside of you, or are you inside of it?

I thought you said it was inside a nut.

If that shameful display of brazen dishonesty is the result of your study and worship of fallible mortals such as Nissy and Ramana, then that's all one needs to know about the impact their teachings have had on your moral core.

To set the record straight, let's review what I actually said...

In pretty much the same way that this gigantic oak tree...



...once fit into something this small...



...likewise, billions of years ago, this...



...once fit into something as small as this...



And that's why I call humans "The Ultimate Seeds"

Then, to drive the "Ultimate Seeds" point home, I added a few more visual aids...

You asked me how all of the matter and energy of the universe could have [once] fit into the infinitesimal singularity associated with the Big Bang theory, and I gave you the answer to that question in a proverbial "nutshell" (pun intended)...





...the details of which i sorted out in a book I published back in 2008 titled:

Now I am not insisting that I cannot be wrong, however, the profound implications of what the above series of images suggest should be obvious to anyone with at least two working brain cells.

Clearly, you are simply not ready for something that makes the quaint little (philosophy 101) platitudes offered by Nissy and Ramana, seem like child's play.

And, again, if what they have imparted to you has not bolstered or elevated your moral core in such a way that would make you feel obligated to be honest in your conversations with others, then that speaks volumes regarding the value of their teachings.
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[Iwannaplato]

Re: a message for trauma survivors.

Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj: "Is it not important to you to know whether you are a mere body, or something else? Or, maybe nothing at all? Don’t you see that all your problems are your body’s problems — food, clothing, shelter, family, friends, name, fame, security, survival — all these lose their meaning the moment you realize that you may not be a mere body."

Yeah, that's naive even for a guru. Trauma doesn't just sit in the body. And a guru should know this, given that problems get carried from bodies and out and then back in bodies in other lives. Of course perhaps it's you aiming this at trauma survivors and not him.

[Dontaskme]

He would usually throw people out who had been there for a week or so, and he would throw assholes out immediately.

Are you speaking from personal experience? Walker, yeah, I thought as much, it takes one to know one. I know, that's just another boring old cliche.

[Dontaskme]

You asked me how all of the matter and energy of the universe could have [once] fit into the infinitesimal singularity associated with the Big Bang theory, and I gave you the answer to that question in a proverbial "nutshell" (pun intended)...

According to the Big Bang theory, all the matter in the universe was once contained in a tiny point, but a walnut (seed) does not contain the material that will eventually form a tree. The seed is more like a set of plans (blueprint) for making a tree. But maybe that was your point? IDK

So in your opinion, what came first, the walnut seed (blueprint) or the walnut tree?

[Harbal]

Sri Ramana Maharshi ... a great and beautiful man. There is a photograph of him taken shortly before his death. His body is blackened with the cancer that has spread all through him. His face has the same expression as in the photograph above,

Are you referring to the photo of Kenneth Copeland, or the one of the skinny Indian dude with the vacant expression?

[Dontaskme]

Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj: "Is it not important to you to know whether you are a mere body, or something else? Or, maybe nothing at all? Don’t you see that all your problems are your body’s problems — food, clothing, shelter, family, friends, name, fame, security, survival — all these lose their meaning the moment you realize that you may not be a mere body."

The body doesn't have a problem.

The problem is the false sense of self-identity arising in the body, namely, the activity of the brain/mind thinking mechanism.
So it's ''thought'' that is the creator of any apparent problem, and not the body, the body simply doesn't have a problem.

It's the sense of (self) that demands the need for 'meaning'' ..the body is not demanding this need. When this sense of self-identity is not there within the mind/brain mechanism, there's just the natural mechanical functioning of the body operating all by itself, just like the breathing of breath, and the beating of the heart, that's all automatic.

To say ( you may not be a body ) is meaningless. It's not like there is this existing disembodied ''you'' ( substance dualism) floating somewhere outside of the body itself that is not the body.

The ''you'' in question here, is nothing but the physical activity of the brain. No brain, no you.
The ''you'' is a 'thought', and nothing more than just that. And thoughts, need bodies, and bodies need thought if the ''you'' is to even make any sense at all, or give rise to any frame of self reference by association. These typical nonduality sages are basically all saying the same thing in a myriad of different ways, trying to earn themselves the position of Jesus status, worthy of Idolization..In other words, they're all just bleating parrots, echoing out the same old story infinitely in as many different ways one can come up with, forever eternally.

Believe what you want, it's all flavored to meet with your own specific taste. But ultimately, it's anything but profound or original or of any significance.

[Dontaskme]

...and then you too can sit around in your underwear

Do you think he wears a nappy because he's full of shit?