Wonkers and Israel

[Alexis Jacobi]

I'm quite surprised that you're so quick to blame God for things so manifestly done by the hands of humans.

I cannot blame a god-concept that does not exist. That god-concept is aligned with man’s hands. The god-concept is a human fabrication. I do not define a god in any of those terms.

Obviously then I struggle to define what “god” is. And that is another topic.

[Alexis Jacobi]

It has more in common with a visualized demonic entity than with a transcendent force of goodness.

Touché Alexis! Touché!

Go bowling. Play the lottery. Hit on that girl at the bakery. The stars align!

[seeds]

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Again, it is becoming more and more evident that the highly touted Biblical prophecy of an impending "Armageddon" is self-fulfilling by reason of the actions of those whose chosen mythology (the Bible) are such that the prophecy is pretty much guaranteed to come true.

Take a moment to listen to this Doctors Without Borders' nurse describing what is taking place in Gaza and try to imagine anything good coming from this ever-intensifying situation that is polarizing the world...

https://youtu.be/gk7iWgCk14U

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[Immanuel Can]

However, God did warn Israel that turning to their own way would have certain consequences; these need not be at all consequences visited on them by God, but rather the consequences of abandoning God and throwing themselves into the hands of men.

No, a priest-class created...

I know your assumptions. They're only that. And I think they're wrong. But we'll find out.

[Alexis Jacobi]

However, God did warn Israel that turning to their own way would have certain consequences; these need not be at all consequences visited on them by God, but rather the consequences of abandoning God and throwing themselves into the hands of men.

No, a priest-class created...

I know your assumptions. They're only that. And I think they're wrong. But we'll find out.

Yes and that is just a reiteration of what you have often -- always -- said which I paraphrase here:

"In a little while I'll be in Heaven and you (plural) will be in Hell."

I do not think you actually do know my assumptions in any fullness. If only because what I assume is in development. Remember that a whole group of us spent months and months in conversations of some depth. I assume that each participant took something away and has been thinking these things over. Maybe some left the conversation no different from when they came in, I can't be sure. But that is not the case for me. And my effort is not so much to debate or argue but to make referential statements.

The time we are in right now, and certainly for believing Christians, can be none other than really consequential. Given that people are actually talking about *end of world prophecies* and events that could result in end times conflagrations. Therefore, at the very least, thinking people should engage with what is happening. But curiously this is where you go silent. You are the most intransigent creature I have come across yet in cyberspace! But you are very relevant to me exactly for that reason. And you should be to others as well.

Are my assumptions only assumptions? Certainly for one who has absolutely certain beliefs there would be no way around making that statement. So I grant you that. And it is true that when one begins on the road of a *critical project* regarding Judaism -- the core of Christianity -- one heads directly into difficult territories that require reasoned assessments. And these conflict with established theological convections. So yes, you got me there.

But I do not think the entire conversation should end there. If that were true one would simply abandon having any ideas about what is going on right in front of us. But that is impossible. Thinking people must engage.

[Immanuel Can]

No, a priest-class created...

I know your assumptions. They're only that. And I think they're wrong. But we'll find out.

Yes and that is just a reiteration of what you have often -- always -- said which I paraphrase here:

"In a little while I'll be in Heaven and you (plural) will be in Hell."

Ah, something I've never said. Well, I guess you can't deal with what I DO say, so you have to make up your own stuff. Carry on. I feel no inclination to engage that nonsense.

[Alexis Jacobi]

Yes, that was a paraphrase and I made that clear. And you have certainly said as much.

But we'll find out.

Have I misinterpreted? What do you mean by this?

[Sculptor]

I'm currently watching a programme about the French Resistence in WW2.
Many of their activities resulted in the deaths of many Germans, infrastructure and collaborateurs.
The Germans often responded by lining up the population and randomly selecting many people for death.

Are we to blame the Resistence for these decimations? Or is the responsibility upon the hands of the Germans?

Just asking!

[Sculptor]

If you wan't listen to me, listen to Gideon Levy.

https://twitter.com/RanaAyyub/status/17 ... zgx_h3Uq7I

[Sculptor]

https://twitter.com/real1maria/status/1 ... 8qEQYg1zXE

[Sculptor]

I know your assumptions. They're only that. And I think they're wrong. But we'll find out.

Yes and that is just a reiteration of what you have often -- always -- said which I paraphrase here:

"In a little while I'll be in Heaven and you (plural) will be in Hell."

Ah, something I've never said. Well, I guess you can't deal with what I DO say, so you have to make up your own stuff. Carry on. I feel no inclination to engage that nonsense.

LOL.
Which begs the question why are you engaging on this thread if you think it is nonsense??

[Immanuel Can]

Yes and that is just a reiteration of what you have often -- always -- said which I paraphrase here:

Ah, something I've never said. Well, I guess you can't deal with what I DO say, so you have to make up your own stuff. Carry on. I feel no inclination to engage that nonsense.

LOL.
Which begs the question why are you engaging on this thread if you think it is nonsense??

Not this thread. Your "paraphrasing." That's the nonsense.

[Sculptor]

Ah, something I've never said. Well, I guess you can't deal with what I DO say, so you have to make up your own stuff. Carry on. I feel no inclination to engage that nonsense.

LOL.
Which begs the question why are you engaging on this thread if you think it is nonsense??

Not this thread. Your "paraphrasing." That's the nonsense.

You have not even bothered to check who you are responding to.
Poor thing

[Dontaskme]

Britain in Palestine 1917-1948
Britain in Palestine 1917-1948 investigates the contradictory promises and actions which defined British Mandatory rule in Palestine and laid the groundwork for the Nakba (the catastrophe) and the creation of the state of Israel in 1948. The roots of the contemporary social, political, economic, and environmental landscape of Palestine and Israel can be traced back to this period, making it essential viewing for understanding Britain’s legacy in the region and the situation on the ground today.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOJqLTc6RkU

[Harbal]

Britain in Palestine 1917-1948
Britain in Palestine 1917-1948 investigates the contradictory promises and actions which defined British Mandatory rule in Palestine and laid the groundwork for the Nakba (the catastrophe) and the creation of the state of Israel in 1948. The roots of the contemporary social, political, economic, and environmental landscape of Palestine and Israel can be traced back to this period, making it essential viewing for understanding Britain’s legacy in the region and the situation on the ground today.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOJqLTc6RkU

Interesting video.