Wonkers and Israel

[phyllo]

Who is not evil? Anybody?

[Atla]

Who is not evil? Anybody?

Well I think you could maybe make an argument that India isn't that bad, at least in the geopolitical sense.

[Walker]

A detailed demographic analysis erases ‘Palestinian’ claims to Israel
By Andrea Widburg
https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/20 ... srael.html

A lot of people like to say that there’s no mileage to be had from trying to counter the left’s argument that Arabs are the indigenous people and Jews the colonialists. To that I say, “Pshaw!” That is the main argument that is being used to persuade disinterested people who have been bathed in the toxic propaganda about Western colonialism versus innocent indigenous people. That’s why people who know nothing about the facts so willingly accept Hamas as the voice of the victims and Israel as the sword of the oppressor.

If you give them facts, they will change their minds. In the poisonous and delusional world of leftist and Islamic make-believe, facts matter. And the beautiful thing about both Relandi and van Paassen is that, when they wrote their facts, they had no dog in the current fight. There was no State of Israel, there were no Arabs identified as Palestinians, there were no Mullahs in Iran funding things, there was no West Bank and Gaza, and Hamas and Hezbollah didn’t exist. Their information, if you will, is pure.

... disinterested people who have been bathed in the toxic propaganda about Western colonialism versus innocent indigenous people. That’s why people who know nothing about the facts so willingly accept Hamas as the voice of the victims and Israel as the sword of the oppressor.

Well said. That's what's going on. Minions, whose only interest is repeating the talking points of Nazi decendents who want to exterminate the Jews.

You've heard about forum trolls. These are Life trolls.

Disgusting.

[mickthinks]

A detailed demographic analysis erases ‘Palestinian’ claims to Israel

lol No it doesn't.

[Walker]

I assume that our resident wonkers are celebrating the current (very public) torture and murder of Israelis in Israel. It's strange, because it's wonkers who keep telling us that uncontrolled immigration is good, yet when it was Jews emigrating to Israel this was apparently a bad thing, even though Jews are indigenous to Israel ('indigenous' being another word beloved by wonkerdom). Anyone else confused by these (apparent) conflicts?
Could our delightful resident wonkers please explain and make logical sense of these anomalies?

Not confused at all. The apparent contradictions are consistent with the Obama/Biden administration, and the current Biden/Obama administration's philosophy of weakening the US and Israel, while simultaneously empowering Iran in some kind of twisted nation-building scheme.

The conflict in understanding does not exist. The apparent conflicts are created by false premises, such as, that the Biden/Obama adminstration is a friend of Israel. Also, uncontrolled immigration is called good by the standards of weakening the US and it's allies. The Biden/Obama administration is not a friend of Israel, because Iran is not a friend of Israel.

A very powerful wing of the Democrat Party in terms of political influence is Pro-Hamas, Anti-Israel.

[Walker]

Are you saying that Biden is "jew hating"?

Are you trying to say you're not a Jew hater? You know who else hated Jews and wanted to exterminate them? Of course you do.

How could it have happened back then? It's happening now, with the flood of support for extermination of the Jews.

(I turn and spit on the ground in front of chickenshit pukes.)

You are not worth my time. You are not worth my goodwill. You deserve neither.

[Walker]

A detailed demographic analysis erases ‘Palestinian’ claims to Israel

lol No it doesn't.

Your lie has no evidence, just a sneer.

[Walker]

Yesterday Israel targets refugee camp south of the exodus line.
Killing 100+ civilians.
Number of dead Hamas held Israeli hostages killed by Israeli bombs so far 54.

Liar.

A Hamas leader, hiding there, was targeted. That's what they do. That's the point of the graphic you keep ignoring. Hamas hides behind their own ... who elected them and support them in their hatred and killing of Jews.

The Hamas leader was targeted, and he surrounds himself with human shields. Do you get it now.

But you ignore that, don't you. Doesn't fit your narrative.

You will believe anything Hamas tells you.

[Alexis Jacobi]

Scott Ritter, once a United Nations Weapons Inspector and a US Marine Corps Intelligence Officer, provides the *realpolitik* view of this crisis from a strict military perspective. Worth listening to if you can spare the time.

Listening to him, it seemed to me that he cuts through a great deal of extraneous BS.

[Alexis Jacobi]

If we digress for a moment, Iran is expelling 5 million Afghan refugees, and Pakistan is expelling 1.7 million Muslim Afghans, co-religionists.
Maybe someone can explain why no one is concerned about the fate of those unfortunate people, including millions of children?
I dare to suggest that anti-Semites “worried” about Palestinian children, whom Hamas uses as human shields and does not allow these children to leave the places of hostilities, these anti-Semites are worried about children much like Hamas is concerned about these children, and what warms anti-Semites is not love for children, but the lust of malice, which is Judeophobia, in the words of Tolstoy.
https://www.rferl.org/amp/azadi-briefin ... 6150.html

There is a righteous man in Sodom, behold, the Arab explains,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MqV-ZzeUwcA

Has anyone heard of the UN condemning Hamas? Maybe the lust of malice prevails there too?

1) Here is what Iran has said it intends to do but has not yet done:

A top Iranian official has reiterated that Tehran will deport all "illegal" migrants, most of whom are Afghan nationals who fled war, persecution, and poverty.

“Everyone who lacks the legal means to remain in Iran will be sent back [to their country] under a specific framework,” Iranian Interior Minister Ahmad Vahidi said on October 19, doubling down on comments he made last month that "Afghans and foreign nationals who do not have legal documents" would be returned to their countries.

Hundreds of thousands of Afghans are said to have migrated across the border since Taliban militants seized power in August 2021 following the hasty departure of international peacekeeping forces. The influx has come at a time when Tehran is already struggling with economic woes sparked by the imposition of drastic international sanctions over its nuclear program.

There is nothing at all immoral or unethical in sending refugees back. It is a tremendous burden to take on the care and integration of such huge masses of people and it tends to prodeuct social strife.

2) Here is what Pakistan has begun to do:

Undocumented foreigners, including 1.7 million Afghans—one of the country’s largest immigrant communities. Officials say the policy, which was first announced last month, will be implemented in phases, with migrants and refugees temporarily placed in holding centers before deportation.

Afghans in Pakistan have faced forced repatriations in the past but never on this scale. Islamabad claims the mass expulsion will protect public welfare and make Pakistan safer. But it’s likely that domestic politics and worsening relations with Taliban-led Afghanistan drove the government’s decision.

In recent weeks, Islamabad called on undocumented foreigners to leave voluntarily by Nov. 1. The government said on Monday that around 200,000 Afghan nationals had left over the past two months. Recent days have featured harrowing scenes of Afghan students hugging their Pakistani classmates goodbye and trucks lining up at the border piled high with Afghans’ belongings.

Janoah writes: I dare to suggest that anti-Semites “worried” about Palestinian children, whom Hamas uses as human shields and does not allow these children to leave the places of hostilities, these anti-Semites are worried about children much like Hamas is concerned about these children, and what warms anti-Semites is not love for children, but the lust of malice, which is Judeophobia, in the words of Tolstoy.

If you paint concern for the plight of Gazans, and those Palestinians on the West Bank, as a sentiment borne of antisemitism you are going to fuck yourself. The fact seems to be that the *antisemitic* accusation is falling on its face.

In fact the inappropriate use of the accusation is part of the problem. The actual fact is that the West (US, Europe) has been completely supportive of Israel and to a large extend Zionism in principle. There has never been a more pro-Jewish and Jewish tolerant period in all of Jewish history as the Postwar.

My suggestion would be for you to listen to Scott Ritter (posted above) and try to understand that, for Israel and for Zionism in the forms that have sustained it, the game is up. You -- you as an Israeli -- are going to have to make substantial and even drastic changes. And your culture is going to be deeply divided to the point of open social crisis.

Keep the focus on yourselves. The Bible narratives are not going to work for you! Best to abandon them more or less immediately. If you don't believe me now let's check back in six months. Then a year or two.

[Walker]

'The Elephant in the Room': The Real Source of Jew-Hatred in the Middle East
by Lawrence A. Franklin
November 5, 2023 at 5:00 am


The "elephant in the room," which few commentators have had the courage to explore, is that for many Muslims, "Jew-hatred" is dogma. The 114 sura (chapters) of the Koran are replete with passages of Jew-hatred. Pictured: Adolf Hitler meets with the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, Haj Amin al-Husseini, on November 28, 1941. (Image source: German Federal Archive)

The "elephant in the room," which few commentators have had the courage to explore, is that for many Muslims, "Jew-hatred" is dogma. For them, the Koran, every word of it, is the dictated word of Allah (God) as told by the Angel Jibril (Gabriel) to Allah's prophet Muhammad. The Koran does not, like much of the Bible, consist of descriptive stories that can be believed or not as the reader wished. It is more proscriptive, like the Ten Commandments. One cannot say, "Oh, He didn't really mean the one about adultery."
Like it or not, this "divine" word of Allah, compiled in the 114 sura (chapters) of the Koran, is replete with passages of Jew-hatred, such as the verse: ...

https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/2009 ... iddle-east

[Sculptor]

Americans love to talk about freedom whilst enslaving the world and helping dictators enslave their own people.

Some Americans do.

I'm glad you agree.

[Sculptor]

'The Elephant in the Room': The Real Source of Jew-Hatred in the Middle East
by Lawrence A. Franklin
November 5, 2023 at 5:00 am


The "elephant in the room," which few commentators have had the courage to explore, is that for many Muslims, "Jew-hatred" is dogma. The 114 sura (chapters) of the Koran are replete with passages of Jew-hatred. Pictured: Adolf Hitler meets with the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, Haj Amin al-Husseini, on November 28, 1941. (Image source: German Federal Archive)

The "elephant in the room," which few commentators have had the courage to explore, is that for many Muslims, "Jew-hatred" is dogma. For them, the Koran, every word of it, is the dictated word of Allah (God) as told by the Angel Jibril (Gabriel) to Allah's prophet Muhammad. The Koran does not, like much of the Bible, consist of descriptive stories that can be believed or not as the reader wished. It is more proscriptive, like the Ten Commandments. One cannot say, "Oh, He didn't really mean the one about adultery."
Like it or not, this "divine" word of Allah, compiled in the 114 sura (chapters) of the Koran, is replete with passages of Jew-hatred, such as the verse: ...

https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/2009 ... iddle-east

Hitler also was a keen Zionist.

[Sculptor]

Are you saying that Biden is "jew hating"?

Are you trying to say you're not a Jew hater? You know who else hated Jews and wanted to exterminate them? Of course you do.

Correct I am not a jew hater. My grandmother was Jewish, and many of my friends are too.
Do you evven know any?
All of my Jewish friends are horrified by Isreal.

You are not worth my time. You are not worth my goodwill. You deserve neither.

Why are you avoiding the question?
You are claiming that Democrats are jew haters. Is Biden a Jew hater?
You might also acknowledge that Trump wants to end aid to Isreal. Does that make your friend Trump a jew lover or a jew hater?

[mickthinks]

A detailed demographic analysis erases ‘Palestinian’ claims to Israel

Your lie has no evidence.

Irony has its own symmetry!
lol